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Post by Silversmurf on Jan 7, 2017 0:32:38 GMT
Anything in the files to suggest that Keeper barrier gives more experience points than Saarebas barrier?
I cannot count the times we have gone from 1-17 in NM FC with a Keeper but only 1-15/16 with a Saarebas.
Same factions and fighting as a group.
Just wondered what the multipliers were for support exp on barrier per classes.
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Post by 3y3vr3 on Jan 7, 2017 1:20:15 GMT
Isn't support exp on barrier the same no matter which mage casts it?
If keeper has mana surge with barrier, when it procs and freezes enemies it can also generate support exp (as inflicting status effects) on top of barrier?
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Post by lcneed on Jan 7, 2017 1:36:12 GMT
Probably because Saarebas has more attack power and also increase damages of other party members... and you kill the things faster. Faster death, less chance to let everyone hit them and for them to hit everyone's barrier and less xp overall!
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Post by HunterKipling on Jan 7, 2017 4:41:22 GMT
Does it have anything to do with mana surge? Or any other barrier related passives that the Keeper have and the Sabby does not? Yes, the question is sincere. I want to know also.
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Post by Minuos on Jan 7, 2017 7:32:42 GMT
That title... I had to think for a moment about whether or not I'd done something I shouldn't have. Like being in school all over again. I've noticed the Keeper's superiority in exp generation myself, so I'll take a look when I can. At this point, I've been awake for 27 hours, and I need to try and remedy that. Don't know if I'll find anything, for the record. I've only really looked at abilities, items and appearances, hence Zither's face and the fact that I know just how OP a staff with Bloody Bargain's Berserk would be. Exp-related stuff would be somewhere else. IIRC, all barriers give a standard ~33% bonus experience when hit, regardless of passives. Could be weirdness with spell ownership, like maybe a Keeper's barrier belongs to whoever receives it but Saarebas barriers belong to her (or no one, like the damage over time from fire glyph). Couldn't say.
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Post by wittyrover on Jan 7, 2017 8:27:13 GMT
O.M.G.
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Post by Silversmurf on Jan 7, 2017 12:55:54 GMT
That title... I had to think for a moment about whether or not I'd done something I shouldn't have. Like being in school all over again. I've noticed the Keeper's superiority in exp generation myself, so I'll take a look when I can. At this point, I've been awake for 27 hours, and I need to try and remedy that. Don't know if I'll find anything, for the record. I've only really looked at abilities, items and appearances, hence Zither's face and the fact that I know just how OP a staff with Bloody Bargain's Berserk would be. Exp-related stuff would be somewhere else. IIRC, all barriers give a standard ~33% bonus experience when hit, regardless of passives. Could be weirdness with spell ownership, like maybe a Keeper's barrier belongs to whoever receives it but Saarebas barriers belong to her (or no one, like the damage over time from fire glyph). Couldn't say. This is why I asked you and put your name in the title. Glad you noticed the Keeper barrier as well. Well there is Wavebend but not sure he comes here anymore.
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Post by 3y3vr3 on Jan 7, 2017 18:43:17 GMT
That's Zither! behind the mask? He's surprisingly better looking than I had imagined. BTW I spy Wavebend was online a few hours ago.
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Post by Beerfish on Jan 7, 2017 20:05:08 GMT
Zither is a good looking dude, certainly better than 'Brows Rion'.
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Post by Minuos on Jan 7, 2017 20:50:50 GMT
This is why I asked you and put your name in the title. Glad you noticed the Keeper barrier as well. Well there is Wavebend but not sure he comes here anymore. I think Wavebend improved on the tools for personal use, so might have been in a better position to answer this kind of question. Crossed my mind as well. Anyway, after some searching, I couldn't find anything to hint at bonus experience. Still, I ran my level 1 mages through perilous afterwards and noticed that the Keeper was generating more kill exp than I think she was supposed to. Could be nothing, but I recorded a few Saarebas games in Nightmare and she seemed to be generating less per kill than she should... Gonna play some Keeper games tomorrow, compare the numbers and run them through perilous again to see if there's any difference in general experience as the game progresses.
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Post by Proto on Jan 9, 2017 3:22:30 GMT
Chain Lightning.
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Post by Minuos on Jan 11, 2017 1:01:45 GMT
Just gonna update on this. TL;DR = what proto said.
I looked through a few videos I recorded just to compare experience in different zones as Keeper/Saarebas at different levels. The displayed, in-game experience looks accurate throughout, but I think the issue is in the way they deal damage rather than their barriers. Keeper has better/more balanced output because Chain Lightning can keep up with people. Saarebas damage is usually confined to what's around her, and barrage isn't efficient enough to counter that, especially if you play with people who kill quickly. Barrier experience alone should be fairly equal for the two.
Not sure if Static Cage damage applied by others gives the Keeper damage experience. Hopefully I can remember to try not attacking anything inside it at least once.
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Post by Silversmurf on Jan 11, 2017 8:23:14 GMT
A big thank you for checking this out.
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