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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jan 9, 2017 6:28:39 GMT
While I am vaguely dumb when it comes to finding images and links (thanks, internet!), it strikes me as tragic that we don't have a thread dedicated to Nathaniel, Sigrun, and those other, lesser plebian wardens you can recruit. I'll try to add some things as I can, but for now... Who's your favorite? Who becomes the sacrificial lamb you leave to be recruited last? (Sorry, Justice....)
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jan 9, 2017 7:35:04 GMT
Nathaniel is my favorite and I leave Justice to be recruited last because he's already a warden. Whoever you recruit last doesn't get to drink from the cup so recruiting Justice last, allows the others to get their cup drinking ceremony.
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Post by mousestalker on Jan 9, 2017 16:13:43 GMT
Sigrun is one of my favourite Bioware characters of all time. I like Anders in Awankening a lot, but not so much in DA2. The one npc I'd love to have available for romance out of DAA is Nathaniel, but given the number of Cousland PC's out there, it's probably for the best you can not.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 9, 2017 16:35:15 GMT
Sigrun is one of my favourite Bioware characters of all time. I like Anders in Awankening a lot, but not so much in DA2. The one npc I'd love to have available for romance out of DAA is Nathaniel, but given the number of Cousland PC's out there, it's probably for the best you can not. Sadly we can't take all character in group... I like them all, even the grumpy Velanna. I feel sorry for Awakening-Anders. He so sad and angry, but his sarcasm is brilliant. Nathaniel should be romancable (perhaps also Anders, but I'm satisfied with his romance in DA2, and probably would be weird to me)!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 7:24:08 GMT
In order to tie up loose end, I executed Nathaniel Howe and Sigrun is recruited last in my playthrough.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jan 10, 2017 17:40:17 GMT
In order to tie up loose end, I executed Nathaniel Howe and Sigrun is recruited last in my playthrough. I mean, harrumph, but also it's good that someone is counterbalancing my "TAKE NATHANIEL FREAKING EVERYWHERE" urges. In my defense, he has a lot of great banter and that wry sense of humor really gets me when it does pop out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 0:13:33 GMT
In order to tie up loose end, I executed Nathaniel Howe and Sigrun is recruited last in my playthrough. I mean, harrumph, but also it's good that someone is counterbalancing my "TAKE NATHANIEL FREAKING EVERYWHERE" urges. In my defense, he has a lot of great banter and that wry sense of humor really gets me when it does pop out. He entertained the idea of disposing of the protagonist, which is not surprising due the cycle of revenge concept. Also, when offered to become a Grey Warden, the young Howe conveyed that he would rather embrace death instead of following through the Right of Conscription at 3:16.
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Post by procutemeister on Jan 14, 2017 10:25:32 GMT
I mean, harrumph, but also it's good that someone is counterbalancing my "TAKE NATHANIEL FREAKING EVERYWHERE" urges. In my defense, he has a lot of great banter and that wry sense of humor really gets me when it does pop out. He entertained the idea of disposing of the protagonist, which is not surprising due the cycle of revenge concept. Also, when offered to become a Grey Warden, the young Howe conveyed that he would rather embrace death instead of following through the Right of Conscription at 3:16. I suppose letting Nate become a Warden or not depends on how you RP your Warden. Personally, I really like his character so I always let him live; from an RP perspective, my Cousland let him become a Warden because he didn't want anymore noble blood on his hands. (Also I headcanoned that they were friends when they were younger and Cousland didn't want to kill him).
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He entertained the idea of disposing of the protagonist, which is not surprising due the cycle of revenge concept. Also, when offered to become a Grey Warden, the young Howe conveyed that he would rather embrace death instead of following through the Right of Conscription at 3:16. I suppose letting Nate become a Warden or not depends on how you RP your Warden. Personally, I really like his character so I always let him live; from an RP perspective, my Cousland let him become a Warden because he didn't want anymore noble blood on his hands. (Also I headcanoned that they were friends when they were younger and Cousland didn't want to kill him). I concur, it does depend how you roleplay your Warden along with set values and morality that you may bring for the ride. I mean, some people can end up like this in terms of questionable decisions:
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Post by Walter Black on Feb 3, 2017 7:47:36 GMT
Awakenings never gets enough love, in my opinion. Still ticked that Mhari died and you couldn't recruit the Dark Wolf  .
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 4, 2017 6:14:41 GMT
Justice is always my last recruit. I do so wish that the three recruitment-related plot missions were just the first half of the game and there were three more any-order missions after that with more direct conflict, that I could use any combination of characters on. I really enjoy all of them, except Velanna; I feel like her introduction and recruitment weren't very well handled. Nathaniel and Oghren are both dedicated fighters and good friends, I have a hard time ever leaving either of them out of the team. Sigrun is so, so great, too, but it's kinda sad that her dying feels like the best ending to her character arc...I love her and I want to keep her around, but, just, the power of that writing..."this time, she did not run away"...it gets me every time. And Anders, so much more fun in his snide "I'm not entirely sure he's not actually a serial killer" Awakening persona than in DA2.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 4, 2017 14:47:24 GMT
"Isn't perspective wonderful? You'd think people who are so tall would have more of it." Sigrun.  Her fangirling over a casteless Warden is adorable, as well. And I love her banters with Nate, and keeping a knife under her pillow for Oghren.
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I've loved the whole cast in Awakening, save for Oghren, but he has fun banters with the rest of the crew. Nathaniel is obviously my best liked, with Velanna a close second. Anders and Justice share the same affection spot, which is prophetic, I suppose. Sigrun was very nice, but just seemed more one dimensional than the others, more like Oghren in that respect. I would have loved though for Sigrun or Nathaniel to continue into DA2. Love Varric, but not Isabela, so another rogue would have been swell, particularly the one that supports Templars.
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Post by Norstaera on Feb 9, 2017 15:54:10 GMT
I agree about the recruitments. It would have been much better, imo, to have them all done or rejected before the first 'act' is over. You can't very well recruit Justice w/o doing the whole Blackmarsh-in-the-Fade thing,  . I find myself going to Vigil's Keep but staying outside, or at least not talking to Varel, just so I can wander around with everybody a bit. I think,iirc, that way you can have Velanna and Sigrun in the same Joining. It's contrived, but what can you do? I want to spend time with the last recruit. I like Nathaniel. I think he and Fenris should have a brood-off: the one attracting the most dark clouds wins. I like that when he realizes just how truly terrible his father was, he becomes determined to restore the family name and honor. I also like having excellent archers in my party. I usually let him go at first, just so he can decide on his own to become a Warden. I never liked Velanna. She's too angry and too impulsive. Weakening her clan by taking warriors with her, attacking merchant caravans because she assumed humans took her sister without evidence. I understand that would be her first thought, but she didn't actually follow up on any clues. The Warden had to point out the oddities for her. Developing a friendship with her is too much work. That said, I love the banters between her and Oghren, especially about where dwarven babies come from. I never proceed to the final stage without making sure I hear that. Justice is frequently last, but not always. I do want to do the quest with his/Kristoff's wife. I admit, I liked him less after DA2. Anders is fun. I like his flirtatiousness and light-hearted quips. And you get Ser Pounce-a-lot as well, woo-hoo! Oghren, Oghren, Oghren. I go back and forth on him. I do respect him when he admits to his short-comings and sadly realizes that won't change. I believe he kind of wishes it would but . . . I, obviously, saved Sigrun for last, at least last of the companions. I'm not a perky person. Perky people usually annoy me. But I like Sigrun. I like how she finds happiness in little things and that she won't let her situation (casteless, Legion of the Dead, etc.) destroy that. You know, that's one thing where she reminds me of Zevran. He says he learned to appreciate life's joys when they come his way because you never know what tomorrow may bring. Sigrun takes it further, imo, by looking for them. She's a silver-lining person but no Pollyanna. I think she and Nate are my two favorites. Seneschal Varel. I like that man. Then there are the convos with Wade and Herren, ha ha ha.
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Post by Jarovbees on Feb 10, 2017 17:14:28 GMT
For my Brosca, her main group was Sigrun, Oghren and Anders. Dwarf Squad! ...and that other guy. As you can see, Anders is an honorary dwarf thanks to Arcane Warrior nonsense.  My Surana preferred Anders (Circle solidarity), Nathaniel and Justice. As she was not very elfy, she clashed with Velanna, and Oghren is the polar opposite of her temperament, so they never really hit it off. But she recruited everyone and gave them a chance.
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Post by sgtsteel91 on Feb 21, 2017 18:02:32 GMT
I'm disappointed Mhairi died in the Jioning.
There could have been an interesting story with her idealism of the Grey Wardens being tested by the events of Awakening, and you taking her under your wing as a mentor, like Duncan to Alistair, and either hardening her into the "stop the Blight at all cost" mindset or helping her through the shock of the realities of being a Warden and hold onto her idealism as a drive to be the kind of noble, heroic Warden told about in stories. Or do nothing, and she eventually goes AWOL because she became disillusioned to the life of a Grey Warden.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 21, 2017 18:18:19 GMT
I'm disappointed Mhairi died in the Jioning. There could have been an interesting story with her idealism of the Grey Wardens being tested by the events of Awakening, and you taking her under your wing as a mentor, like Duncan to Alistair, and either hardening her into the "stop the Blight at all cost" mindset or helping her through the shock of the realities of being a Warden and hold onto her idealism as a drive to be the kind of noble, heroic Warden told about in stories. Or do nothing, and she eventually goes AWOL because she became disillusioned to the life of a Grey Warden. Yes. And I felt similarly about Daveth in Origins. They presented us, how dangerous the Joining.
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Post by Sifr on Feb 21, 2017 22:10:54 GMT
Would have been nice to have Mhairi survive the Joining.
She could have come to the slow realisation across Awakening that the reality of the Wardens is far different from that sung by the bards, or the Hero of Ferelden being far different in person than she expected. With how stunned she was that the Warden accepted Oghren as a recruit (and was potentially an old friend of his), would have be fun to see what she'd have made of Justice being added to our ranks?
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Post by Catilina on Mar 1, 2017 0:01:08 GMT
Nathaniel: Do you do anything besides ponder what is just and unjust? Justice: It is not all I do. It does, however, define my being. Nathaniel: So you were born just? A little, self-righteous baby of justice crawling around the Fade? Justice: I was not born. I simply am.
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My team is defined by which class I'm playing. I do prefer to use Anders over Vellana and Nathaniel is my DD choice.
It would have been nice to let Mhairi to live too for a choice of tank, but I find the Awakening Warden joining odds are high enough as it is. Except for her everyone else survives, which is so different from our Warden ceremony where only 1/3 lived.
I should probably stick this opinion into unpopular views thread, but I've never grown warm feelings for Nathaniel. I do not dislike him as he is one of a few decent men to join, however, my first run through was human noble. When they meet, Nathaniel is a complete douche to my Warden and completely undeserved too as I played that one as honourable as a Warden could be. My resentment for Howe factored into it. I think Nath is a good warden and very useful dps/lockpick combo in one, but I've never considered him to be my best buddy. I maintain a neutral/cool disposition towards him.
Also, Nath needs to can it and not lie on my behalf during battles by yelling 'Surrender and we'll be merciful.' I most certainly don't want darkspawn to surrender and don't intend to be merciful. I wish to rain pain and destruction upon them and then to steal their loot. ];P
I would have preferred to romance Anders to Nathaniel.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 16, 2017 17:15:25 GMT
Nathaniel is my favorite and I leave Justice to be recruited last because he's already a warden. Whoever you recruit last doesn't get to drink from the cup so recruiting Justice last, allows the others to get their cup drinking ceremony. There's a way around this, at least for Sigrun, not sure if it's possible with Velanna. You can leave Kal-Hirol with Sigrun once she's agreed to become a Warden, do the joining, then return and finish the quest. Anyway, they're a good bunch. Sigrun is my favourite, both for her personality and for introducing me to the joys of the dual-wielding rogue (I made what I now consider the mistake of rejecting Zevran for roleplay reasons).
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Post by Catilina on Aug 16, 2017 17:32:37 GMT
My team is defined by which class I'm playing. I do prefer to use Anders over Vellana and Nathaniel is my DD choice. It would have been nice to let Mhairi to live too for a choice of tank, but I find the Awakening Warden joining odds are high enough as it is. Except for her everyone else survives, which is so different from our Warden ceremony where only 1/3 lived. I should probably stick this opinion into unpopular views thread, but I've never grown warm feelings for Nathaniel. I do not dislike him as he is one of a few decent men to join, however, my first run through was human noble. When they meet, Nathaniel is a complete douche to my Warden and completely undeserved too as I played that one as honourable as a Warden could be. My resentment for Howe factored into it. I think Nath is a good warden and very useful dps/lockpick combo in one, but I've never considered him to be my best buddy. I maintain a neutral/cool disposition towards him. Also, Nath needs to can it and not lie on my behalf during battles by yelling 'Surrender and we'll be merciful.' I most certainly don't want darkspawn to surrender and don't intend to be merciful. I wish to rain pain and destruction upon them and then to steal their loot. ];P I would have preferred to romance Anders to Nathaniel. Anders x Nathaniel's a nice pairing! About Nathaniel: I found him very honest and fair. My Cousland felt respect toward him when spoke with him in the cell. And despite his family, he felt similarities with him: when his family massacred by Howe-mobs, he became an outlaw, just as Nathaniel due of his father sin.
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My team is defined by which class I'm playing. I do prefer to use Anders over Vellana and Nathaniel is my DD choice. It would have been nice to let Mhairi to live too for a choice of tank, but I find the Awakening Warden joining odds are high enough as it is. Except for her everyone else survives, which is so different from our Warden ceremony where only 1/3 lived. I should probably stick this opinion into unpopular views thread, but I've never grown warm feelings for Nathaniel. I do not dislike him as he is one of a few decent men to join, however, my first run through was human noble. When they meet, Nathaniel is a complete douche to my Warden and completely undeserved too as I played that one as honourable as a Warden could be. My resentment for Howe factored into it. I think Nath is a good warden and very useful dps/lockpick combo in one, but I've never considered him to be my best buddy. I maintain a neutral/cool disposition towards him. Also, Nath needs to can it and not lie on my behalf during battles by yelling 'Surrender and we'll be merciful.' I most certainly don't want darkspawn to surrender and don't intend to be merciful. I wish to rain pain and destruction upon them and then to steal their loot. ];P I would have preferred to romance Anders to Nathaniel. Anders x Nathaniel's a nice pairing! About Nathaniel: I found him very honest and fair. My Cousland felt respect toward him when spoke with him in the cell. And despite his family, he felt similarities with him: when his family massacred by Howe-mobs, he became an outlaw, just as Nathaniel due of his father sin. You mean social outcast, not outlaw. He got tossed into jail for stealing and punching Wardens, not because of who his father was. It's difficult to respect someone who without gaining additional information on the situation passes severest judgement over you enough to wish you dead. Check your facts first before sneaking in to murder someone even if Nath changed his mind half way. Howe massacred almost the entire family and the first thing that comes out of his son's mouth is a wish to finish where his father left off. He promises to kill the Warden if you ask what if you let him go. The only reason my Warden didn't execute him was because he had spared Loghain too. It was very tempting to execute Nath during my first play through. Of course, after having him in the party I've had no such thoughts in the following games. Which doesn't mean I don't find a bit over the top the rosy glasses scenario how the game pushes Howes and Couslands to be friends again. He saves Warden's brother later on and gets a part of his estate back, and both families visit each for tea and biscuits each evening. It's not like both families haven't wiped out entirely each other's previous generation. But... then again.. at least someone gets a happy and unambiguous ending.
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