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Post by dragontartare on Apr 4, 2017 3:46:42 GMT
I fully agree Hawke isn't the savior of the world or anything. IMHO Hawke is more of a "problem eliminator" or a hired gun as they say in some of the Western novels I read..
Don't you mean "problem creator?"
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Post by tidus on Apr 4, 2017 9:30:07 GMT
Point taken.. Hawke did cause a lot of problems.
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Post by fenris on Apr 4, 2017 11:44:07 GMT
Hawke cause a lot of problems? Like what? Defeating the Qunari? Prevent the slaughter of mages/slaughter rogue mages? Having too many awesome companions? Exposing the guard-captain's corruption and replacing him with one worth a damn? I'm curious, what problems did Hawke cause exactly?
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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 11:49:49 GMT
Point taken.. Hawke did cause a lot of problems. S/He din't.
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 4, 2017 13:01:02 GMT
Hawke cause a lot of problems? Like what? Defeating the Qunari? Prevent the slaughter of mages/slaughter rogue mages? Having too many awesome companions? Exposing the guard-captain's corruption and replacing him with one worth a damn? I'm curious, what problems did Hawke cause exactly? It's a joke, with a gif. Relax.
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Post by Morrigan on Apr 4, 2017 13:13:47 GMT
Hawke cause a lot of problems? Like what? Defeating the Qunari? Prevent the slaughter of mages/slaughter rogue mages? Having too many awesome companions? Exposing the guard-captain's corruption and replacing him with one worth a damn? I'm curious, what problems did Hawke cause exactly? She discovers red lyrium, helps Anders blow up the chantry, opens a mine in a dragon lair, slaughters the Warden's Dalish clan, and unlocks Corypheuses' prison.
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Post by fenris on Apr 4, 2017 13:19:39 GMT
Hawke cause a lot of problems? Like what? Defeating the Qunari? Prevent the slaughter of mages/slaughter rogue mages? Having too many awesome companions? Exposing the guard-captain's corruption and replacing him with one worth a damn? I'm curious, what problems did Hawke cause exactly? She discovers red lyrium, helps Anders blow up the chantry, opens a mine in a dragon lair, slaughters the Warden's Dalish clan, and unlocks Corypheuses' prison. What I'm hearing is: 1. She found Red Lyrium and warned everyone about it. 2. Was tricked by an evil mage like basically all the other protagonists in the series. 3. Cleared a dragon from an already existing mine. 4. Was attacked by a mob of angry elves which are upset that you killed their abomination seeker. 5. Found an ancient evil and attempted to killed it after a cult was already trying to do that.
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Post by fenris on Apr 4, 2017 13:20:44 GMT
Hawke cause a lot of problems? Like what? Defeating the Qunari? Prevent the slaughter of mages/slaughter rogue mages? Having too many awesome companions? Exposing the guard-captain's corruption and replacing him with one worth a damn? I'm curious, what problems did Hawke cause exactly? It's a joke, with a gif. Relax. It's all good fun 'till someone gets hurt
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Post by Morrigan on Apr 4, 2017 13:27:32 GMT
She discovers red lyrium, helps Anders blow up the chantry, opens a mine in a dragon lair, slaughters the Warden's Dalish clan, and unlocks Corypheuses' prison. What I'm hearing is: 1. She found Red Lyrium and warned everyone about it. 2. Was tricked by an evil mage like basically all the other protagonists in the series. 3. Cleared a dragon from an already existing mine. 4. Was attacked by a mob of angry elves which are upset that you killed their abomination seeker. 5. Found an ancient evil and attempted to killed it after a cult was already trying to do that. I'll grant you most of these, except perhaps 1 and 3. The Warden solved problems. Hawke does some desperate damage control for problem she is often partly responsible for.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 13:29:57 GMT
Hawke cause a lot of problems? Like what? Defeating the Qunari? Prevent the slaughter of mages/slaughter rogue mages? Having too many awesome companions? Exposing the guard-captain's corruption and replacing him with one worth a damn? I'm curious, what problems did Hawke cause exactly? She discovers red lyrium, helps Anders blow up the chantry, opens a mine in a dragon lair, slaughters the Warden's Dalish clan, and unlocks Corypheuses' prison. Varric involved Hawke, Varric's brother organized the expedition, Varric suggested Anders, for the maps... This is the reason, that Varric joined to the Inquisition... because he felt responsibility. The Chantry explosion was a really positive thing: Kirkwall can be free almost all of the biggest problems of the city: from the Mages and Templars, and Elthina. And helped the Chanty to purge: the Chantry got a chance to rebirth from the ashes without the old corruptions. Sadly, Hawke's not responsible for it (Anders didn't let him/her to takes responsibility).
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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 13:32:11 GMT
She discovers red lyrium, helps Anders blow up the chantry, opens a mine in a dragon lair, slaughters the Warden's Dalish clan, and unlocks Corypheuses' prison. What I'm hearing is: 1. She found Red Lyrium and warned everyone about it. 2. Was tricked by an evil mage like basically all the other protagonists in the series. 3. Cleared a dragon from an already existing mine. 4. Was attacked by a mob of angry elves which are upset that you killed their abomination seeker. 5. Found an ancient evil and attempted to killed it after a cult was already trying to do that. Evil mage, Who?
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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 13:37:01 GMT
What I'm hearing is: 1. She found Red Lyrium and warned everyone about it. 2. Was tricked by an evil mage like basically all the other protagonists in the series. 3. Cleared a dragon from an already existing mine. 4. Was attacked by a mob of angry elves which are upset that you killed their abomination seeker. 5. Found an ancient evil and attempted to killed it after a cult was already trying to do that. I'll grant you most of these, except perhaps 1 and 3. The Warden solved problems. Hawke does some desperate damage control for problem she is often partly responsible for. Partly, possible. (And don't forget: the Warden can cause a new problem, if help to Morrigan to perform the dark ritual. Not 100% sure, that the old god soul is evil, but even possible. And: The Warden, if don't performed the ultimate sacrifice, can cause the Chantry explosion. Remember: s/he was, who recruited Anders and Justice – and Nathaniel, who suggested the merging.)
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Post by tidus on Apr 4, 2017 16:50:24 GMT
Point taken.. Hawke did cause a lot of problems. S/He din't. I was hoping my winking smiley would get the point across it was a joke answer.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 4, 2017 17:15:11 GMT
I was hoping my winking smiley would get the point across it was a joke answer. I am immune to the jokes...
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Post by tidus on Apr 6, 2017 1:52:59 GMT
Well,after several hours into the game I gotta say it turn out to be a far better game then I thought. I think I might be nearing the end as all hell is about to break loose between the mages and Templars.
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Post by phoray on Apr 6, 2017 4:31:48 GMT
Well,after several hours into the game I gotta say it turn out to be a far better game then I thought. I think I might be nearing the end as all hell is about to break loose between the mages and Templars. so much fun! so much drama!
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Post by fenris on Apr 6, 2017 4:43:33 GMT
Several hours and you're already at the end? That's odd... I remember this game took a while, especially with all the walking between companions for the talking parts
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2017 10:52:53 GMT
Several hours and you're already at the end? That's odd... I remember this game took a while, especially with all the walking between companions for the talking parts. ~35~40 hours.
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Post by fenris on Apr 6, 2017 11:09:40 GMT
I thought it took me way more than that
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Post by Catilina on Apr 6, 2017 11:33:43 GMT
I thought it took me way more than that Okay, I already know, where I need to go. If anyone not, then maybe this takes more time. And on nightmare probably too, but I never play on nightmare, I don't have patience for it.
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Post by tidus on Apr 6, 2017 12:20:21 GMT
Several hours and you're already at the end? That's odd... I remember this game took a while, especially with all the walking between companions for the talking parts I have around 35 hours so far but, since this is my first complete play through I skipped a lot of side quest and stayed with the main story,companion and second quests and as is my habit I am playing on casual since I'm learning the game.. Unlike my other attempts I used a female Hawke mage and had two mages when I did the deep road expedition.
Oddly enough the first time I beat DA:O and DA:I it was with a female mage.
My second play through will be on casual and I will do more of the regular side quests. I never play on "nightmare" because I have limited use of my right hand and casual and easy can be hard enough. Try taping your right hand thumb and forefinger together and playing the game.
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Post by phoray on Apr 6, 2017 13:32:48 GMT
My Dragon Age Origins Base games ran about 60 hours. Normal Mode, occasionally hard. I only occasionally do DLC if it suits the Warden personality.
My DA2 runs run about 50 hours? Normal Mode, occasionally hard. But I meta this game so hard, I have to wonder if some of this time is paused. Additionally, I usually don't do the DLC, and only save it for my most canon Hawkes, of which there are 4. That would probally add another 10-20 hours right?
My most recent DAI run went about 65 hours. + 11 hours for Trespasser. Hard mode + some trials because I use the golden nug. I don't do Descent or JoH unless it's a canon inquisitor.
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Post by phoray on Apr 6, 2017 14:10:30 GMT
Hawke can be either an unfortunate person with skills and luck who did their best or a bastard who rode the wave of chaos to the top. And several other variations. Why Hawke is so fun to replay. - Diplomatic Lady: I've played the standard good gal rogue who leaned sympathethically towards mage freedom with friendmanced Anders and couldn't execute and sided mages.
- Sarcastic LAdy: As well as a hypocritical mage who thought mage freedom was irresponsible (while enjoying it's benefits) who rivalmanced Anders and punished him by making him help the Templars
- Aggressive Male: And then I played a sociopath who loved to murder and kill and only went to the Deep Roads because Leandra expected him to get money. He did nothing as a good deed and demanded payment. Even sold Fenriel's soul to Torpor to get more of an edge. The only reason he sided mages is because he thought Meredith was a controlling b**** and damned if he'd side with a woman like that. And killed Anders for not being a controllable asset. Rivalmanced Fenris- he loved his murderous angry ways- such a kindred spirit.
- Now I'm playing a Sarc Male polyamorous Hawke who's sleeping through his friends. He turns mages in on a case by case basis; if they're murderous, back to the circle. If they're not, off to freedom.He dislikes the Qunari and he's a lapsed Andrastian. he is rival mancing Isabella because he'sa good hearted man who sometimes helps for free.
The agrro murdering Hawke was quite the experience. Freeing, to be PART of the chaos rather than fighting AGAINST it and failing so miserably.
Why are the Amells going on crazy expeditions? Because they refuse to accept living in Lowtown off of Gamlen and the crap wages they're earning as merc's for hire. That could be seen as greed. But also could be seen as the American Dream- trying to better yourself and your situation is the way of America.
There are two coins to every action.
But I blame Varric telling Bianca where the Thaig was for releasing Red Lyrium on the world. And all of Cory being released was self defense. The carta attacks the family until they can't keep ignoring the assasination attempts. Once you're there, and you're trapped, it's either starve to death with you friends to keep from releasing Mr. mystery, or release him and kill him. And you think he's dead, there is no reason for anyone to suspect he isn't in a world where only Archdemon's are immortal.
And you can kick Anders out of the party after he tries to kill Ella. Refuse to help him. But he comes back to bomb the place anyway. Hawke is not at fault for simply KNOWING a terrorist.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 15:20:13 GMT
My PT of DA clocked at about 30 hours. I played on Normal, and I skipped one of the companions, and one of the companion's quests was resolved as "No, we are not going to do this, it's crazy", and I am guessing the alternatives put extra play-time in.
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Post by fenris on Apr 6, 2017 16:25:21 GMT
My PT of DA clocked at about 30 hours. I played on Normal, and I skipped one of the companions, and one of the companion's quests was resolved as "No, we are not going to do this, it's crazy", and I am guessing the alternatives put extra play-time in. Probably Even so, I usually spend a lot of time in this game, far more than 30 hours... I'll need to check my games to see how long they are.
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