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Post by vertigomez on Jan 26, 2017 13:58:53 GMT
Tevinter was the cradle of civilization.
Imagine what her future could be!  Welcome home.Come here if: you want to cry about Calpernia and Maevaris and Dorian and Fenris and Felix and Varania and Ridonis and Marius and Darinius and Cremisius, etc. Or if you like magic-enhanced crumbling gothic architecture. Or if you're a mage supremacist. Or if you like fancy parties minus the stinky cheeses. Or if you want to watch Tevinter burn, or if you want to watch Par Vollen burn, or if you're Solas and you want to watch the world burn. Basically it's whatever - come rant about Tevinter. Utilize universal safety precautions. There will be blood magic. |
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Post by Catilina on Jan 26, 2017 14:06:14 GMT
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 26, 2017 14:55:15 GMT
I want blood mage specc! (With a little more interesting backgrounds, weakness etc.) That would be nice. I enjoyed the blood magic spec in DAO. I just wish there was more companion/story reactivity when it comes to choosing a really, really, really unpopular form of magic! |
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 26, 2017 18:42:41 GMT
I'm wondering whether the Lucerni's top-down method of reform versus Calpernia's bottom-up, revolutionary tactics are more likely to be successful when it comes to changing Tevinter.
Actually, I wonder whether their goals intercede much at all, given that Dorian's main beef seems to be with corruption and blood magic, whereas Calpernia seems to want slaves (and other lower class people) to be given the opportunity to be their "best" selves. To reach their full potential. She doesn't seem especially fussed about blood magic, and even seems to encourage it in pursuit of a worthy cause. "When a person's life was spent, it meant something--it bought something."
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 26, 2017 20:11:04 GMT
I just want to free all the slaves of all races, so I can then point to them and say to Solas "Okay so I did it, just like you asked (of Dorian), so are you still going to kill them all?"
I'm also hoping that Calpernia teams up with Dorian because I think they would make for an awesome combination and he definitely seemed to approve of her ideas. If she returns and is still on the opposite side I shall be really disappointed.
I want to see Minrathous in all its glory and really hope it won't be the let down that Val Royeaux was. |
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 26, 2017 21:24:59 GMT
I just want to free all the slaves of all races, so I can then point to them and say to Solas "Okay so I did it, just like you asked (of Dorian), so are you still going to kill them all?" I don't know that that would sway him. They're still mostly a bunch of non-magical people. Assuming Calpernia does indeed show up again (and isn't simply a red herring), I guess it'll depend on what Dorian and Maevaris hope to accomplish? I'm not really clear on what they want to do, only that Dorian is proud of his history and heritage, disgusted with the Venatori, and is appalled at the depths some people (Halward, Alexius) are willing to sink to in pursuit of their goals. I'm sure his time in the South (especially with a friendly or romanced Inquisitor) has introduced him to new ideas about slavery, but Mae's stance isn't entirely clear. At one point she tells Isabela, "everyone has slaves in Tevinter, darling" but her blank facial expression could mean anything from "deal with it" to "I don't like it, either." I hope that it's more like Kirkwall, only... huge and pretty because of Frostbite. No tiny little market, thanks. |
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 27, 2017 5:26:55 GMT
That picture in the OP is unsettling. Jesus.  Still, I think this will be an interesting setting to roleplay in. I hope we get to be someone Tevinter-specific, either a soporati, laetan, or liberati. That should definitely be different than what we've had so far. Or maybe a dual protagonist, which I know has been proposed before, but one of the protagonists is still a slave at the beginning of the game and has to sneak around to accomplish various tasks. And naturally, I hope to see Dorian again. And NOT have to see him killed. |
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 27, 2017 13:37:28 GMT
I'm ever impressed by Tevinter's resilience.
They might have been unable to hold onto the empire, but they have a death grip on the heartland. Even when the Qunari took most of it, Minrathous never fell and nationalist sentiment is evidently so great that the populace rose up and tossed the Qunari back into the sea. And they've been fending off invasions ever since, including a mass incursion by the Qunari navy earlier in the Dragon Age that ended in disaster for the oxmen.
Given the class divisions, I'm impressed by that level of unity.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 27, 2017 16:31:49 GMT
That picture in the OP is unsettling. Jesus. Still, I think this will be an interesting setting to roleplay in. I hope we get to be someone Tevinter-specific, either a soporati, laetan, or liberati. That should definitely be different than what we've had so far. Or maybe a dual protagonist, which I know has been proposed before, but one of the protagonists is still a slave at the beginning of the game and has to sneak around to accomplish various tasks. And naturally, I hope to see Dorian again. And NOT have to see him killed. That fanart hit me right in the feels and perfectly captured how I feel about Tevinter, so naturally I had to come torment everyone else with it. Sign me up for a Tevinter-specific (or at least Northerner-specific, like from Seheron or Par Vollen maybe?) origin and Dorian not dying. I'm ever impressed by Tevinter's resilience. They might have been unable to hold onto the empire, but they have a death grip on the heartland. Even when the Qunari took most of it, Mintathous never fell and nationalist sentiment is evidently so great that the populace rose up and tossed the Qunari back into the sea. And they've been fending off invasions ever since, including a mass incursion by the Qunari navy earlier in the Dragon Age that ended in disaster for the oxmen. Given the class divisions, I'm impressed by that level of unity. Right! That's one of the things that fascinates me about Calpernia. She's a fierce Tevinter loyalist, and unlike Fenris who'd be happy to see Tevinter burn, she wants her nation to thrive. There's just something about Tevinter that provokes a fierce nationalism in some of its inhabitants. Or else Dorian would've never bothered to go back. Though I imagine that for many of the Soporati and slave class, having to defend the motherland is more like: |
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 27, 2017 16:43:50 GMT
I just want to free all the slaves of all races, so I can then point to them and say to Solas "Okay so I did it, just like you asked (of Dorian), so are you still going to kill them all?"
I'm also hoping that Calpernia teams up with Dorian because I think they would make for an awesome combination and he definitely seemed to approve of her ideas. If she returns and is still on the opposite side I shall be really disappointed.
I want to see Minrathous in all its glory and really hope it won't be the let down that Val Royeaux was. I suspect her affiliation with the Venatori could prove a point of friction if they're still a thing. But my personal hope is that Calpernia will become a companion and Dorian will assume a more advisory role. So we can have her even if Dorian doesn't particularly like her. |
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 27, 2017 16:50:37 GMT
I'm ever impressed by Tevinter's resilience. They might have been unable to hold onto the empire, but they have a death grip on the heartland. Even when the Qunari took most of it, Mintathous never fell and nationalist sentiment is evidently so great that the populace rose up and tossed the Qunari back into the sea. And they've been fending off invasions ever since, including a mass incursion by the Qunari navy earlier in the Dragon Age that ended in disaster for the oxmen. Given the class divisions, I'm impressed by that level of unity. Right! That's one of the things that fascinates me about Calpernia. She's a fierce Tevinter loyalist, and unlike Fenris who'd be happy to see Tevinter burn, she wants her nation to thrive. There's just something about Tevinter that provokes a fierce nationalism in some of its inhabitants. Or else Dorian would've never bothered to go back. Though I imagine that for many of the Soporati and slave class, having to defend the motherland is more like: You'd think, but the fact that they were able to take the country back after the Qunari had effectively occupied it seems to show that a lot of soporati at least are pretty devoted to their homeland. |
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Post by xilizhra on Jan 27, 2017 16:54:17 GMT
I just want to free all the slaves of all races, so I can then point to them and say to Solas "Okay so I did it, just like you asked (of Dorian), so are you still going to kill them all?"
I'm also hoping that Calpernia teams up with Dorian because I think they would make for an awesome combination and he definitely seemed to approve of her ideas. If she returns and is still on the opposite side I shall be really disappointed.
I want to see Minrathous in all its glory and really hope it won't be the let down that Val Royeaux was. I suspect her affiliation with the Venatori could prove a point of friction if they're still a thing. But my personal hope is that Calpernia will become a companion and Dorian will assume a more advisory role. So we can have her even if Dorian doesn't particularly like her. If Calpernia is a companion... she'd bloody well better be romanceable by women. |
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 27, 2017 17:13:36 GMT
I suspect her affiliation with the Venatori could prove a point of friction if they're still a thing. But my personal hope is that Calpernia will become a companion and Dorian will assume a more advisory role. So we can have her even if Dorian doesn't particularly like her. If Calpernia is a companion... she'd bloody well better be romanceable by women. Both pls |
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 27, 2017 17:22:43 GMT
But my personal hope is that Calpernia will become a companion and Dorian will assume a more advisory role. So we can have her even if Dorian doesn't particularly like her. If Calpernia is a companion... she'd bloody well better be romanceable by women. This is my hope, as well.  I'm a little bit a lot in love with her. Then again I could say that for several potential companions, and then there will undoubtedly be a whole slew of new ones, each with interesting personalities and backstories... But yeah. Calpernia's grand. |
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 27, 2017 17:24:54 GMT
If Calpernia is a companion... she'd bloody well better be romanceable by women. Both pls I think men are all set, given her relationship with Marius. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that she's also into ladies. And is romanceable at all. And is a companion at all. And appears in the game at all.  |
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Post by xilizhra on Jan 27, 2017 17:26:12 GMT
But my personal hope is that Calpernia will become a companion and Dorian will assume a more advisory role. So we can have her even if Dorian doesn't particularly like her. If Calpernia is a companion... she'd bloody well better be romanceable by women. This is my hope, as well. I'm a little bit a lot in love with her. Then again I could say that for several potential companions, and then there will undoubtedly be a whole slew of new ones, each with interesting personalities and backstories... But yeah. Calpernia's grand. I will mod the game for this, if need be. Or at least use one. |
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 27, 2017 17:31:42 GMT
I think men are all set, given her relationship with Marius. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that she's also into ladies. And is romanceable at all. And is a companion at all. And appears in the game at all. Good point, I forgot about that. I think her chances are good of coming back. They made a point to make sure she couldn't be killed. |
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 27, 2017 19:33:10 GMT
I think men are all set, given her relationship with Marius. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that she's also into ladies. And is romanceable at all. And is a companion at all. And appears in the game at all. Good point, I forgot about that. I think her chances are good of coming back. They made a point to make sure she couldn't be killed. IIRC, she was overjoyed to find out he was alive and wanted him to join the Venatori, but he declined. And he seems to hate Tevinter. So I'm pretty sure that relationship's done. (Then again... I thought Celene and Briala were done, too, and that's not necessarily the case.) Since we're talking about potential companions, is there anyone y'all would like to see? I could see Mae being an important NPC, a bit like the advisors or Harding. Or even a companion. I loved her entry in WoT2 and based on that and her personality in the comics, I really want to get to know her better. She's a reformer and very kind to her friends and family, but has noooo mercy for her enemies. She won't be bossed around. I don't really care to see Marius again. Not because of Calpernia but just because he seems a bit... blah. Another grumpy Byronic anti-hero dude. He has almost the same skill set, personality, and backstory as Fenris except he's human, so I'm not sure what he would bring to the table. Tessa and Charter are in a similar state of flux. I think we could run into them, or one or both could be companions (though that might not be the case since they shacked up?), or they could have a barely-there cameo like Rhys and Evangeline. I'd love to have Harding back. I don't know how likely that is, but she did appear as part of the Inner Circle at the end of Trespasser. And she's very respectful of elven history and an elven Inquisitor, so if there's some kind of uprising in DA4 that could be interesting? New characters are almost impossible to speculate about. But after seeing that concept art, I'd be pleased to have a Fog Warrior companion (who hates Tevinter and the Qunari equally!) or a Tal-Vashoth Saarebas (particularly a woman, since we've had two male qunari companions). |
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 27, 2017 20:10:28 GMT
IIRC, she was overjoyed to find out he was alive and wanted him to join the Venatori, but he declined. And he seems to hate Tevinter. So I'm pretty sure that relationship's done. (Then again... I thought Celene and Briala were done, too, and that's not necessarily the case.) Since we're talking about potential companions, is there anyone y'all would like to see? I could see Mae being an important NPC, a bit like the advisors or Harding. Or even a companion. I loved her entry in WoT2 and based on that and her personality in the comics, I really want to get to know her better. She's a reformer and very kind to her friends and family, but has noooo mercy for her enemies. She won't be bossed around. I like her but I expect both her and Dorian to be important NPCs and maybe advisors rather than companions. Partly because as magisters it seems like they have more pressing responsibilities in a time of war than following our PC around. Partly because I think having one of them and Calpernia would be a waste of a mage slot when we could get something other than a Tevinter mage. Diversity, yeh? Tessa and Marius were both dull as dishwater to me. It's not that I disliked them, they just didn't interest me much in Magekiller. They could potentially do something interesting with the characters as Inquisition agents in DA4 though and I would like to learn more about this perepatae (whatever) thing in Tevinter. Charter is just about guaranteed as Leliana's replacement as our Inquisitor's spymaster, so she's very likely returning as an npc.Given her popularity, I'm betting on Harding being a companion. So that would mean two slots given to returning characters and no ex-companions for DA4, that's about as many as I want. I generally prefer new characters. I'd support the ex-saarebas character, but that's the character I want to play and I don't want anyone stealing my thunder. ;P Still, I'd like to see a fog warrior, maybe a rivaini seer to round out our mages. This may sound odd, but maybe a Chasind character? As in, one that has traveled Thedas extensively and/or was taken by slavers. I've always wanted to know a little more about them before leaving that corner of the world behind completely. |
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Post by xilizhra on Jan 27, 2017 20:12:40 GMT
IIRC, she was overjoyed to find out he was alive and wanted him to join the Venatori, but he declined. And he seems to hate Tevinter. So I'm pretty sure that relationship's done. (Then again... I thought Celene and Briala were done, too, and that's not necessarily the case.) Since we're talking about potential companions, is there anyone y'all would like to see? I could see Mae being an important NPC, a bit like the advisors or Harding. Or even a companion. I loved her entry in WoT2 and based on that and her personality in the comics, I really want to get to know her better. She's a reformer and very kind to her friends and family, but has noooo mercy for her enemies. She won't be bossed around. I like her but I expect both her and Dorian to be important NPCs and maybe advisors rather than companions. Partly because as magisters it seems like they have more pressing responsibilities in a time of war than following our PC around. Partly because I think having one of them and Calpernia would be a waste of a mage slot when we could get something other than a Tevinter mage. Diversity, yeh? Tessa and Marius were both dull as dishwater to me. It's not that I disliked them, they just didn't interest me much in Magekiller. They could potentially do something interesting with the characters as Inquisition agents in DA4 though and I would like to learn more about this perepatae (whatever) thing in Tevinter. Charter is just about guaranteed as Leliana's replacement as our Inquisitor's spymaster, so she's very likely returning as an npc.Given her popularity, I'm betting on Harding being a companion. So that would mean two slots given to returning characters and no ex-companions for DA4, that's about as many as I want. I generally prefer new characters.I'd support the ex-saarebas character, but that's the character I want to play and I don't want anyone stealing my thunder. ;P Still, I'd like to see a fog warrior, maybe a rivaini seer to round out our mages. This may sound odd, but maybe a Chasind character? As in, one that has traveled Thedas extensively and/or was taken by slavers. I've always wanted to know a little more about them before leaving that corner of the world behind completely. Er, we need a Tevinter mage of some sort in the party, surely? And Calpernia isn't a magister; right now, she's just a fugitive. |
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 27, 2017 20:16:26 GMT
Er, we need a Tevinter mage of some sort in the party, surely? And Calpernia isn't a magister; right now, she's just a fugitive. Well I was counting Calpernia as one. And I don't think we could expect more than three mage companions so I'd prefer the others be something a bit more radically different, say, a seer or the vashoth suggestion. |
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Post by xilizhra on Jan 27, 2017 20:25:38 GMT
Er, we need a Tevinter mage of some sort in the party, surely? And Calpernia isn't a magister; right now, she's just a fugitive. Well I was counting Calpernia as one. And I don't think we could expect more than three mage companions so I'd prefer the others be something a bit more radically different, say, a seer or the vashoth suggestion. Ah, I read your reference to Maevaris as being about Calpernia. |
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 27, 2017 20:29:43 GMT
I feel like Calpernia and Mae are different enough that I don't think it'd be weird to have them both as companions.
It's a bit like having Dorian and Vivienne in the party - they're both from the upper echelons of society, they both trained in some form of Chantry-approved Circle, they dress fashionably, can have a droll sense of humor, can be condescending, have moments of tenderness, etc. But they have different specializations, different attitudes about mages and templars, have completely different priorities... Or like Cassandra and Blackwall. They're both S&S warriors, Andrastian, not super inclined to trust magic, can be very self-righteous but also incredibly selfless and brave, are both rough and practical and don't give a crap about playing to social niceties. Their differences are mostly in their backstories.
That said, for a third mage companion I'd definitely want something totally different. A bit like how Solas was an unassuming apostate hobo... aaaand also an ancient elven god.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 27, 2017 21:02:11 GMT
I definitely would like either a Fog Warrior or a Fog Dancer. They seem to be two different classes so I wonder if a Dancer is a mage. They are certainly the story tellers and lore keepers of their society, so it would be fascinating to have one as a companion because of being able to introduce their culture to us in depth. It would also be good to have someone who is neither grounded in Tevinter, nor in qunari society and being opposed to them both.
I've had a longing for a Rivaini seer for a long time now but perhaps instead of one of their wise women, who would have really no reason to be in Tevinter unless captured as a slave, perhaps a male mage who left Rivain because their matriarchal society meant he was always in a subordinate position. Whatever the case, it would be another new culture and religion to explore.
As for different mages, how about a priest from the Imperial Chantry? That would allow us to get a first hand insight into the difference between that and the southern version. I'm thinking that the clergy of Tevinter are far more martially inclined that the clerics of the Orlesian Chantry. May be they don't approve of the current Black Divine, because of his use of blood magic, and so are sympathetic to the Lucerni.
As for returning characters, I wouldn't mind seeing Harding again and it would make a change if you actually had a dwarf companion that you could romance. I'm pretty sure that Dorian will be an advisory character or may be a sort of mentor to the PC and giving specific quests to drive the main story. Other than that there is no one that I am that bothered about seeing again. At the end of Trespasser it emphasised how we needed new people that Solas didn't know, so I'm taking that to mean that on the whole we are going to get an entirely new squad this time round. |
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 27, 2017 22:58:43 GMT
A pet theory of mine: In interviews, Patrick Weekes dropped the idea of getting an actual transgender actor to voice Maevaris Tilani. It could be that Jien Garson is Jamie Clayton's dry run for Mae. Also, Krem balked at the idea of using magic to fully transition, but Maevaris likely doesn't have such compunctions. Do you think this would be part of her Personal or Romance Quest*? Would it affect your decision to romance her or not? Would such a story line be too "After School Special", like some consider Dorian's? Would the budget even allow for Mae having two different models? I have no problem Calpernia returning as a potential ally or antagonist, but she just isn't interesting enough for me to be a Companion. If Cal and Mae were both Party Members, that's two white female Tevinter mages. That leaves only one slot for an Elven Mage, a Tal-Vashoth Saarebas, a Rivani Seer, a Mortalitasi, an Avaar Shaman, a Titan touched Dwarf, a new kind of Spirit and/or Demon... Just not enough  . Plus, I see no reason one of these new types of characters couldn't also be a "radical ex-slave mage revolutionary". Part of me hopes that one our Rogue Companions could be an active or ex-Templar. Given that Tevinter Templars don't have access to lyrium, it makes more sense that they would focus more on stealth and ranged combat, maybe augmented by Tempest and Artificer gear. Also, given the complete 180 in power and attitudes than those in the South, I see a potential Black Chantry Templar story line sharing a lot in common with The Imperial Agent from Star Wars: The Old Republic, with them constantly having to clean up after megalomaniac Magisters  . Or maybe the have to go underground, like the Blades in Skyrim. Given their lack of resources, there's a slight chance that the average Templar in Tevinter cares more about actually defending the common man than their Southern counterparts. *Believe it or not, there are plenty of real life trans people who are quite happy to not completely transition. So a potential quest about whether or not Maevaris does wouldn't be about the "right" or "wrong" choice, but two equally valid paths. |
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. Plus, I see no reason one of these new types of characters couldn't also be a "radical ex-slave mage revolutionary". 
. Or maybe the have to go underground, like the Blades in Skyrim. Given their lack of resources, there's a slight chance that the average Templar in Tevinter cares more about actually defending the common man than their Southern counterparts.