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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Mar 2, 2017 15:13:37 GMT
No game or video spoilers in here. I personally still think it's stupid to get mad at the devs especially for something unconfirmed by them. The reaction to the leaks are really annoying me at this point and I hate how they've discouraged/saddened many people and also hate how people use it as an excuse to be a jerk. No matter how it's said"take it as a grain of salt" people are running with them. People doing it in a positive manner, I don't mind. It's all the stemming negativity that gets me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:16:36 GMT
No game or video spoilers in here. I personally still think it's stupid to get mad at the devs especially for something unconfirmed by them. The reaction to the leaks are really annoying me at this point and I hate how they've discouraged/saddened many people and also hate how people use it as an excuse to be a jerk. No matter how it's said"take it as a grain of salt" people are running with them. People doing it in a positive manner, I don't mind. It's all the stemming negativity that gets me. It's hard too for the female players who know they can romance him. I want to be excited and talk about it, but I feel like I can't because of everyone else left unsure.
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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Mar 2, 2017 15:17:31 GMT
And this is why, forums and PS4 communities (chat rooms on PS4), are the height of my social media. Too many losers, who bitch about the stupidest things.
Edit: Less it needs telling, I'm referring to stupid twitter people, no one here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:17:57 GMT
Not sure what Aaryn was aiming for with that tweet, but wow. It caused quite a bit of backlash over on Twitter Twitter, or the Twitter Thread? I'm not really surprised if there has been backlash. It clearly wasn't his intention, but given the state of things, it seems a tad insensitive.
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 2, 2017 15:19:33 GMT
Whoa, I'm way out of the loop. There's a spoiler chat now ? Invite me, I have to see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:20:07 GMT
It caused quite a bit of backlash over on Twitter Twitter, or the Twitter Thread? I'm not really surprised if there has been backlash. It clearly wasn't his intention, but given the state of things, it seems a tad insensitive. He was attacked on his own Twitter. Called a queerbaiter for simply gushing about Jaal like everyone else is, and it was not meant to be regarding romances. He was fanboying.
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Post by Rynnju on Mar 2, 2017 15:20:55 GMT
I like that devs are excited about Jaal and that they want to talk about it.
This game really can't be out soon enough.
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 2, 2017 15:21:30 GMT
No game or video spoilers in here. I personally still think it's stupid to get mad at the devs especially for something unconfirmed by them. The reaction to the leaks are really annoying me at this point and I hate how they've discouraged/saddened many people and also hate how people use it as an excuse to be a jerk. No matter how it's said"take it as a grain of salt" people are running with them. People doing it in a positive manner, I don't mind. It's all the stemming negativity that gets me. It's hard too for the female players who know they can romance him. I want to be excited and talk about it, but I feel like I can't because of everyone else left unsure. You can be excited, that's totally fine. We just want to voice our concerns, we don't want you to be silent. ❤
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Mar 2, 2017 15:24:22 GMT
No game or video spoilers in here. I personally still think it's stupid to get mad at the devs especially for something unconfirmed by them. The reaction to the leaks are really annoying me at this point and I hate how they've discouraged/saddened many people and also hate how people use it as an excuse to be a jerk. No matter how it's said"take it as a grain of salt" people are running with them. People doing it in a positive manner, I don't mind. It's all the stemming negativity that gets me. It's hard too for the female players who know they can romance him. I want to be excited and talk about it, but I feel like I can't because of everyone else left unsure. I don't think it's wrong to be excited to romance him. I have a problem with immediately shooting down those who are still hoping he's bi (like myself, even if I'm female I want him to be bi) because of a leak. Hope is all they have at this moment and I've seen people shooting them really insensitive 'No, He's Straight' all the time and it's really not fair. Had the tables been turned , it wouldn't be fair or fun for the women and others wanting a f/m romance and I'm sure they'd be just as upset they can't even have their hope. Even if they're trying to do so in an attempt to save pain, I've mainly just seen it coming off as real insensitive which has left a nasty interpretation of the people in the Jaal thread and caused us to lose some of our former posters. IDK I think everyone here could offer a bit more sensitivity and positivity, especially with the info drought on that end
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:24:44 GMT
Twitter, or the Twitter Thread? I'm not really surprised if there has been backlash. It clearly wasn't his intention, but given the state of things, it seems a tad insensitive. He was attacked on his own Twitter. Called a queerbaiter for simply gushing about Jaal like everyone else is, and it was not meant to be regarding romances. He was fanboying. I haven't seen any of the responses yet, but if he has been personally attacked, then that is completely wrong. He has every right to express liking of the character, all the devs do. I was saying I am not surprised there was a backlash though, at the end of the day the deve have unwittingly created this tense and hostile atmosphere amongst this area of the fanbase by having remained so silent and diversionary on the whole topic of both m/m romances and Jaal. I just think it was tweeted at a particurlaly inopportune and tense time within the fandom at the moment. It saddens me he is getting attacked on Twitter a great deal, no one deserves it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:27:16 GMT
I don't think it's wrong to be excited to romance him. I have a problem with immediately shooting down those who are still hoping he's bi (like myself, even if I'm female I want him to be bi) because of a leak. Hope is all they have at this moment and I've seen people shooting them really insensitive 'No, He's Straight' all the time and it's really not fair. Had the tables been turned , it wouldn't be fair or fun for the women and others wanting a f/m romance and I'm sure they'd be just as upset they can't even have their hope. Even if they're trying to do so in an attempt to save pain, I've mainly just seen it coming off as real insensitive which has left a nasty interpretation of the people in the Jaal thread and caused us to lose some of our former posters. IDK I think everyone here could offer a bit more sensitivity and positivity, especially with the info drought on that end So much this Jewlie. At the end of the day, this has proven that this strategy regarding the information about romances has backfired horribly, and has led to a lot of hostility and negativity, and its real sad its come to this. No one really can be blamed, I don't think anyone could have forseen the level it would get to. These "leaks" haven't really helped either, especially now that there is the general consensus that these leaks are fact, which has caused more harm than good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:28:22 GMT
He was attacked on his own Twitter. Called a queerbaiter for simply gushing about Jaal like everyone else is, and it was not meant to be regarding romances. He was fanboying. I haven't seen any of the responses yet, but if he has been personally attacked, then that is completely wrong. He has every right to express liking of the character, all the devs do. I was saying I am not surprised there was a backlash though, at the end of the day the deve have unwittingly created this tense and hostile atmosphere amongst this area of the fanbase by having remained so silent and diversionary on the whole topic of both m/m romances and Jaal. I just think it was tweeted at a particurlaly inopportune and tense time within the fandom at the moment. It saddens me he is getting attacked on Twitter a great deal, no one deserves it. It was bad timing, but the game is almost out now, so they are just continuing the hype for those who are following them for news like that. Not everyone is on BSN.
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Post by Panda on Mar 2, 2017 15:31:02 GMT
This is practically same what happened with Cullen thread before DAI's sexuality reveals. I'm hoping for bit happier ending really to this wait. I don't think the mood is really anyone's fault though, it's just kinda hard when some are feeling down and want to rant and some are feeling good and want to gush.
What comes to complaining to devs, I think it's fine to be disappointed and upset about stuff, but people should be reasonable with it and yep no personal attacks and insults.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:32:43 GMT
This is the only time I've ever hung around a forum while waiting for a game to come out.
Never again.
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Post by Rynnju on Mar 2, 2017 15:33:10 GMT
It's hard too for the female players who know they can romance him. I want to be excited and talk about it, but I feel like I can't because of everyone else left unsure. I don't think it's wrong to be excited to romance him. I have a problem with immediately shooting down those who are still hoping he's bi (like myself, even if I'm female I want him to be bi) because of a leak. Hope is all they have at this moment and I've seen people shooting them really insensitive 'No, He's Straight' all the time and it's really not fair. Had the tables been turned , it wouldn't be fair or fun for the women and others wanting a f/m romance and I'm sure they'd be just as upset they can't even have their hope. Even if they're trying to do so in an attempt to save pain, I've mainly just seen it coming off as real insensitive which has left a nasty interpretation of the people in the Jaal thread and caused us to lose some of our former posters. IDK I think everyone here could offer a bit more sensitivity and positivity, especially with the info drought on that end I feel like I never saw anyone here shooting "no, he's straight" at anyone. That's what my problem is. Some people choose to believe the leaks and prepare for it and that's their prerogative. The only thing I've seen people here do regarding telling people anything is telling people to be positive and not give up hope yet. No clue what insensitive underbelly I appear to be missing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:33:35 GMT
This is practically same what happened with Cullen thread before DAI's sexuality reveals. I'm hoping for bit happier ending really to this wait. I don't think the mood is really anyone's fault though, it's just kinda hard when some are feeling down and want to rant and some are feeling good and want to gush. What comes to complaining to devs, I think it's fine to be disappointed and upset about stuff, but people should be reasonable with it and yep no personal attacks and insults. I have never been to a BSN forum when a new game was hyped. I only heard about Cullen as a romance from Steve Blum of all people, so this is a first for me. I am overwhelmed by this madness tbh.
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Post by fialka on Mar 2, 2017 15:35:34 GMT
No game or video spoilers in here. I personally still think it's stupid to get mad at the devs especially for something unconfirmed by them. The reaction to the leaks are really annoying me at this point and I hate how they've discouraged/saddened many people and also hate how people use it as an excuse to be a jerk. No matter how it's said"take it as a grain of salt" people are running with them. People doing it in a positive manner, I don't mind. It's all the stemming negativity that gets me. Also no spoilers, just a bit OT, on how critique of games is important, but should be constructive: Agreed. Attacking the devs solves nothing, ever. And it definitely shouldn't be happening before the game even comes out. We really don't know anything, when it comes down to it. The leaks contradict each other, speculation is getting mixed in, and even the legitimate leaks may not tell the whole story. Being concerned is one thing (I have some worries in regards to the romances myself, based on what's been gleaned so far, and with precedent set by the trilogy - and, well, their marketing approach in regards to this isn't helping), but attacking the people who made the game over what you think they might've done is just ridiculous. If the game comes out, and and there's legitimate issues, then players should by all means criticize that. But even then, it's important to be constructive. Attacking someone personally will only dissuade them from being involved in social media at all, which prevents those important conversations that could actually inspire things to change.
It's unfortunate that the old BSN shut down. I don't know if anyone remembers the thread about how we wanted to see more of the female Inquisitor in marketing, and how the female PC being presented bioware games has been problematic - Shepard in particular was used as an example of how female PCs can feel like an afterthought at times. We actually had some developers pop in now and then... And now we know they worked on Scott and Sara simultaneously, and she has these great animations, and a realistic body type, and way less boob-armor. I'm pretty sure this is a direct response to fair criticism, and players expressing their opinions in a way that was fair and mature. We need to keep doing that - especially since we know some devs do come in here and read things. It's even more important on Twitter, since that's the only way to speak to them directly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:36:47 GMT
This is practically same what happened with Cullen thread before DAI's sexuality reveals. I'm hoping for bit happier ending really to this wait. I don't think the mood is really anyone's fault though, it's just kinda hard when some are feeling down and want to rant and some are feeling good and want to gush. What comes to complaining to devs, I think it's fine to be disappointed and upset about stuff, but people should be reasonable with it and yep no personal attacks and insults. I have never been to a BSN forum when a new game was hyped. I only heard about Cullen as a romance from Steve Blum of all people, so this is a first for me. I am overwhelmed by this madness tbh. Same
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:37:18 GMT
No game or video spoilers in here. I personally still think it's stupid to get mad at the devs especially for something unconfirmed by them. The reaction to the leaks are really annoying me at this point and I hate how they've discouraged/saddened many people and also hate how people use it as an excuse to be a jerk. No matter how it's said"take it as a grain of salt" people are running with them. People doing it in a positive manner, I don't mind. It's all the stemming negativity that gets me. Also no spoilers, just a bit OT, on how critique of games is important, but should be constructive: Agreed. Attacking the devs solves nothing, ever. And it definitely shouldn't be happening before the game even comes out. We really don't know anything, when it comes down to it. The leaks contradict each other, speculation is getting mixed in, and even the legitimate leaks may not tell the whole story. Being concerned is one thing (I have some worries in regards to the romances myself, based on what's been gleaned so far, and with precedent set by the trilogy - and, well, their marketing approach in regards to this isn't helping), but attacking the people who made the game over what you think they might've done is just ridiculous. If the game comes out, and and there's legitimate issues, then players should by all means criticize that. But even then, it's important to be constructive. Attacking someone personally will only dissuade them from being involved in social media at all, which prevents those important conversations that could actually inspire things to change.
It's unfortunate that the old BSN shut down. I don't know if anyone remembers the thread about how we wanted to see more of the female Inquisitor in marketing, and how the female PC being presented bioware games has been problematic - Shepard in particular was used as an example of how female PCs can feel like an afterthought at times. We actually had some developers pop in now and then... And now we know they worked on Scott and Sara simultaneously, and she has these great animations, and a realistic body type, and way less boob-armor. I'm pretty sure this is a direct response to fair criticism, and players expressing their opinions in a way that was fair and mature. We need to keep doing that - especially since we know some devs do come in here and read things. It's even more important on Twitter, since that's the only way to speak to them directly. Couldn't have said it better myself! Also having the Heart and Flirt icons separate is something we asked and they gave us too! And Ian comes here a lot, so he heeds everything said!
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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Mar 2, 2017 15:38:11 GMT
I want to make a twitter just to tell people to "FUCK OFF!!" buuut 10/10 I'll get called a self-hating gay, and have my message *whistle noise* go out the window... And this, people? This is why aliens are saying 'FUCK' Earth.
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Post by fialka on Mar 2, 2017 15:38:15 GMT
10th Page News Update!!!Last one is available here. (Includes all the Jaal stuff and images we have so far, safe for the spoiler-averse! Just heed my spoiler tag warnings!) Also, if you guys haven't noticed, I've kind of given up on doing the discussion summaries at this point - the thread moves way too fast, and half the conversations are under spoiler tags I don't click on! I'll keep bringing The News though, at least until I go media dark... which might be a week from now, maybe? However, I will say that if you do want to get caught up on the discussion, absolutely avoid pages 620-624. No, really. (See guys, I'm telling people to avoid it! You're welcome! ) And now, News:1. We got this VA video with Kumail Nanjiani (we saw a teaser about him before, this one actually confirms his character): 2. Some new phone wallpapers starring the Tempest came out (love that top-down one!): 3. We got these tweets, because Aaryn is a BIG FAT TROLL. (I mean, I love you Aaryn, you're the awesomest. You'd be even awesomer if you got us that Jaal bio though... ): 4. Bioware will be at PAX East in Boston, March 10th-12th, with lots of MEA gameplay stuff incoming! Here's the schedule: 5. Bioware also announced that the tech test for MP has been cancelled. The reasons cited are that they were able to test it pretty thoroughly to where they felt it wasn't needed, and wanted to use the time to polish and bug-fix the SP campaign instead. They did release these images of the character selection screen and an MP character from the back however: 6. Also - interesting tidbit: Apparently Jaal's writer, Cathleen Rootsaert, at some point took over as lead writer in Andromeda. (Last we heard it was Mac Walters, and some other guy who left the company before that.) And if you haven't already heard, Rynnju has set up a private PM group where you guys can get all the juicy Jaal-related spoilers and discuss them freely, without flooding the thread with them. PM her if you'd like to join!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:38:51 GMT
I also took the time to read the responses.
I saw only two people accuse him of baiting, and while they were completely unnecessary, I would hardly call them "attacks".
For the most part the responses were the usual excitement and humorous questions from some people, and a few people asking whether he is available for Scott, which are also uneccessary since he was just personally expressing his love for Jaal, not Scott's.
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Post by azogthenailfiler on Mar 2, 2017 15:40:06 GMT
not what i was hoping to wake up to... i'm kinda starting to wish i knew nothing tbh. things are quickly going to hell in a handbasket.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 15:41:07 GMT
Yeah the biggest mistake I made was coming back, save for still getting to keep in touch with all you wonderful people, being back here has been taxing.
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