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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 11:36:38 GMT
I managed it but I wouldn't recommend it. It took around 20 hours of faffing about after getting to Skyhold to get to the point where I was strong enough to kill a dragon (I do suck at the game mind) so that I could get enough approval to sleep with Bull. I lost tonnes with him after freeing the mages you see. So just as Nightscrawl said I was packing in a bunch of stuff just to while away the time until it was doable, putting off Adamant and the Winter Palace for far too long. I could at least do the first 2 sections of the grey warden quests, but I wanted a romance Dorian going into the fade with me, and to the ball, so I had to wait it out. Then after sleeping with Bull I immediately started the Dorian romance and went on with the game. I was disappointed as sleeping with Bull wasn't referenced at any point, not even Dorian saying that he thought I was with someone. Bull's never mentioned it either, so honestly I don't think there was much point other than the role play of my IQ having his homosexual awakening after years of being forced to be straight by his family. I wouldn't do it again, it felt very forced constantly trying to get approval from Bull. If I'd made a decision with the Templars or Mages that he liked it would have been so much easier. Dorian's romance is lovely, lots of great scenes but again I had to pack them into the space just before Adamant to confirm the relationship. I wasn't sure if just kissing was enough to get his romance dialogue after Adamant so I made sure it was official. That meant doing the amulet stuff and the bedroom scene all in a short space of time, and now for the rest of the game I've got no romance cutscenes left. It's been ages since I've had one and it's making me sad. I feel like Cullen and Bull had more scenes than this. But he's great and the little I got was really nice.
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Post by phoray on Feb 22, 2017 16:38:17 GMT
I managed it but I wouldn't recommend it. It took around 20 hours of faffing about after getting to Skyhold to get to the point where I was strong enough to kill a dragon (I do suck at the game mind) so that I could get enough approval to sleep with Bull. I lost tonnes with him after freeing the mages you see. So just as Nightscrawl said I was packing in a bunch of stuff just to while away the time until it was doable, putting off Adamant and the Winter Palace for far too long. I could at least do the first 2 sections of the grey warden quests, but I wanted a romance Dorian going into the fade with me, and to the ball, so I had to wait it out. Then after sleeping with Bull I immediately started the Dorian romance and went on with the game. I was disappointed as sleeping with Bull wasn't referenced at any point, not even Dorian saying that he thought I was with someone. Bull's never mentioned it either, so honestly I don't think there was much point other than the role play of my IQ having his homosexual awakening after years of being forced to be straight by his family. I wouldn't do it again, it felt very forced constantly trying to get approval from Bull. If I'd made a decision with the Templars or Mages that he liked it would have been so much easier. Dorian's romance is lovely, lots of great scenes but again I had to pack them into the space just before Adamant to confirm the relationship. I wasn't sure if just kissing was enough to get his romance dialogue after Adamant so I made sure it was official. That meant doing the amulet stuff and the bedroom scene all in a short space of time, and now for the rest of the game I've got no romance cutscenes left. It's been ages since I've had one and it's making me sad. I feel like Cullen and Bull had more scenes than this. But he's great and the little I got was really nice. :/ I'm sorry. I hadn't realized it was so hard since I'd accidentally done the right thing by conscripting the mages. I also probably would have just turned the difficulty down to casual, and golden nugged it through a Dragon to move it along faster. My planned Dorianmamce is going to ally Templars so I expect I'll have to do all Dorian's side quest stuff to get a dance at the Winter Palace:P
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 22, 2017 18:59:47 GMT
Dorian's romance is lovely, lots of great scenes but again I had to pack them into the space just before Adamant to confirm the relationship. I wasn't sure if just kissing was enough to get his romance dialogue after Adamant so I made sure it was official. That meant doing the amulet stuff and the bedroom scene all in a short space of time, and now for the rest of the game I've got no romance cutscenes left. It's been ages since I've had one and it's making me sad. I feel like Cullen and Bull had more scenes than this. But he's great and the little I got was really nice. Keep in mind that, with Cullen, you are forced to wait to lock in the romance until after the first major mission, whether that is Adamant or Halamshiral. The game forces you to space it out in that way. There isn't less content, but the way it's constructed gives it a different feeling. Cullen is the only other romance I've done, so I do know about his. You are right in that I don't believe that just having kissed before Adamant or Halamshiral would have worked to get the romance cutscenes; you need to have it locked in for those. Dorian's romance can feel rushed because you're able to do everything right after arriving at Skyhold. In that case, it's really up to the player to construct it in a certain way so that you don't feel rushed. You had that Bull component, which I think sort of hindered the experience for you. You could have spread it out more, but then you would have missed either the post-Adamant cutscene or the dance. After the Halward quest, and the first kiss, I deliberately hold off on the amulet quest (I leave the NPC standing there) to pace out the romance. While in Haven, I only do content in Hinterlands, so I have a bunch of stuff to do after arriving at Skyhold that gives me needed padding to space out the content to match my headcanon. One thing that helps with Dorian is to space out the investigate dialogues so you always have something to talk about. Also, while everything works out, you do get a lot of Dorian content if you go with the mages and play out the mission in the future. Not only do you get more characterization of him, Felix and Alexius are important figures in his life, so they add to the whole Dorian experience. I don't argue that one is better than the other, and clearly it's up to a player's Inquisitor roleplay and personal preference in going with mages or templars, but the mage mission was built around Dorian, so you do miss a good chunk of interaction if you go with the templars, including his earnest "Don't worry, I'll protect you" line. Even while none of it is in relation to the romance, I think that first interaction is a good foundation on which to build a relationship. I'll just note that, with my own Dorian romance plays, the subsequent ones after the first feel more "real" in that I was able to further settle on my character's roleplay and personality, and then craft the romance in the way that suited that and the headcanon I have for them as a couple. I play the game in a specific way to accommodate all of this. To be honest, while the player can have the ability to sleep with multiple people before settling on their romance (there were guides for this for DA2 so you could "catch 'em all"), I don't believe the game and the romances are constructed with that in mind. If you're playing a character that is more frivolous where that is concerned, then that's one thing, but you had a particular roleplay in mind that, while you were able to work it out, the game's romance mechanic was not built to accommodate. In a similar vein, I've read where players have started the whole romance with Solas and rebounded with Cullen. I'm not sure of the actual procedure involved, but I'd imagine that the Cullen romance feels somewhat rushed and forced in that instance as well.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 22, 2017 19:03:22 GMT
My planned Dorianmamce is going to ally Templars so I expect I'll have to do all Dorian's side quest stuff to get a dance at the Winter Palace:P All you need to do to pump up his approval is to kill some Venatori. Don't forget about the war table operation to help Maevaris as well. If you have a standard romance, without messing about with other people, it should be fine. But yes, if you want the post-Adamant romance dialogue (a must see, IMO), and the dance, you need to fully lock in the romance with the quarters cutscene. Keep in mind that this scene, whether you have sex or not, has important dialogue that tells Dorian that this is a real relationship. It makes perfect sense that it should play out in this way for his romance.
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Post by Ryzaki on Feb 22, 2017 19:48:17 GMT
Wait so can I sleep with Dorian then move on to Bull? And how would I do that.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 22, 2017 21:02:03 GMT
I think you can, but I'm not entirely sure. You would have to sleep with him and then completely break it off during the post-sex cutscene.
Poor Dorian. =/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 21:26:49 GMT
Thanks for the info Nightscrawl. I won't be doing two romances again, that's for sure. You're right that the best pacing for the Dorian romance will only come with a second playthrough. FWIW phoray the Adamant scene was great with a romanced Dorian, but the dance with the IQ was nowhere near as good. It was nice but you could totally just watch it on Youtube, so if you haven't got Dorian locked in yet you could do the Winter Palace first and not miss too much.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 22, 2017 22:13:50 GMT
Thanks for the info Nightscrawl . I won't be doing two romances again, that's for sure. You're right that the best pacing for the Dorian romance will only come with a second playthrough. FWIW phoray the Adamant scene was great with a romanced Dorian, but the dance with the IQ was nowhere near as good. It was nice but you could totally just watch it on Youtube, so if you haven't got Dorian locked in yet you could do the Winter Palace first and not miss too much. For me a scene like this comes down to what it means for Dorian, and also roleplay for the Inquisitor. Think about what he says in that garden conversation when you ask him about dancing, about how shocking it would be and so forth. Even though he's flippant about it, he has never danced with a romantic partner, let alone a male, in public. That is a statement. The roleplay aspect is important, too, I think, and will vary for each player. My Inquisitor hated the whole spectacle at the Winter Palace and having to interfere in the running of another country, having to fix their shit, just so we could all focus on the real problem: saving the damn world. This is coming from a Trevelyan, who expected it. You can also pick a dialogue response that matches with that mood when Dorian approaches at the end. So then Dorian offers his hand and suggests a dance as a means of distraction. His line of, "At least one of us has a little initiative," is also good for personal headcanon reasons I'll not get into, as is the Inquisitor's optional dialogue back at Skyhold about the dance being a memorable part of the evening. Of course, Dorian downplays it by saying there could have been more corpses about XD. IMO it all depends on what you value in the romance. My Inquisitor is a serious, sappy man, so those moments are meaningful to him, and me as the player.
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Post by Ryzaki on Feb 22, 2017 22:20:38 GMT
Wait: It works. I'm just an idiot.
...I still have his romance tarot card though. That's awkward lul.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 23:33:42 GMT
Thanks for the info Nightscrawl . I won't be doing two romances again, that's for sure. You're right that the best pacing for the Dorian romance will only come with a second playthrough. FWIW phoray the Adamant scene was great with a romanced Dorian, but the dance with the IQ was nowhere near as good. It was nice but you could totally just watch it on Youtube, so if you haven't got Dorian locked in yet you could do the Winter Palace first and not miss too much. For me a scene like this comes down to what it means for Dorian, and also roleplay for the Inquisitor. Think about what he says in that garden conversation when you ask him about dancing, about how shocking it would be and so forth. Even though he's flippant about it, he has never danced with a romantic partner, let alone a male, in public. That is a statement. The roleplay aspect is important, too, I think, and will vary for each player. My Inquisitor hated the whole spectacle at the Winter Palace and having to interfere in the running of another country, having to fix their shit, just so we could all focus on the real problem: saving the damn world. This is coming from a Trevelyan, who expected it. You can also pick a dialogue response that matches with that mood when Dorian approaches at the end. So then Dorian offers his hand and suggests a dance as a means of distraction. His line of, "At least one of us has a little initiative," is also good for personal headcanon reasons I'll not get into, as is the Inquisitor's optional dialogue back at Skyhold about the dance being a memorable part of the evening. Of course, Dorian downplays it by saying there could have been more corpses about XD. IMO it all depends on what you value in the romance. My Inquisitor is a serious, sappy man, so those moments are meaningful to him, and me as the player. It's a nice moment, I only meant that if phoray was really struggling to get enough approval from Dorian before both quests then perhaps doing the ball before the romance is locked in would be a compromise.
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Post by Ryzaki on Feb 23, 2017 1:20:17 GMT
So it seems either the reverse is impossible or I screwed something up. I have Bull at max approval and did HLTA and nope no romance scene for me. RIP.
I can romance everyone else after Dorian tho!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 1:23:07 GMT
So it seems either the reverse is impossible or I screwed something up. I have Bull at max approval and did HLTA and nope no romance scene for me. RIP. I can romance everyone else after Dorian tho! Did you do Bull's loyalty quest before breaking up with Dorian? I might be wrong, but I think you can only trigger the romance with Bull in the aftermath cutscene of his loyality quest.Nevermind that. Maybe Dorian went to him after being dumped and Iron Bull made the wise decision to stay away from the drama?
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Post by Ryzaki on Feb 23, 2017 3:14:26 GMT
So it seems either the reverse is impossible or I screwed something up. I have Bull at max approval and did HLTA and nope no romance scene for me. RIP. I can romance everyone else after Dorian tho! Did you do Bull's loyalty quest before breaking up with Dorian? I might be wrong, but I think you can only trigger the romance with Bull in the aftermath cutscene of his loyality quest.Nevermind that. Maybe Dorian went to him after being dumped and Iron Bull made the wise decision to stay away from the drama? I did it before and after and both times no go. It did work if I didn't sleep with Dorian (If I broke up when he first came to my room.) So Bull is pretty much Fenris. I can't sleep with anyone else or RIP. Least I know that for next time because I really don't feel like replaying those hours. Josie romance is cute enough though oh wait nvm mods to the rescue (I let Josie dump me so I don't have to worry about Leliana poisoning my poor PC. Problem kind of solved?)
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Post by eriador117 on Feb 25, 2018 10:32:26 GMT
My planned Dorianmamce is going to ally Templars so I expect I'll have to do all Dorian's side quest stuff to get a dance at the Winter Palace:P All you need to do to pump up his approval is to kill some Venatori. Don't forget about the war table operation to help Maevaris as well. If you have a standard romance, without messing about with other people, it should be fine. But yes, if you want the post-Adamant romance dialogue (a must see, IMO), and the dance, you need to fully lock in the romance with the quarters cutscene. Keep in mind that this scene, whether you have sex or not, has important dialogue that tells Dorian that this is a real relationship. It makes perfect sense that it should play out in this way for his romance. I got Dorian's romance locked in just after the quest with his father. Either by kissing him straight afterwards, or by Dorian kissing you after the talk with Mother Giselle. Dorian hadn't been to my quarters yet, nor I had given him his amulet yet but I got the dance at the Winter Palace and the romance talk post Adamant. That way I can space out the romance scenes
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 25, 2018 10:57:43 GMT
I got Dorian's romance locked in just after the quest with his father. Either by kissing him straight afterwards, or by Dorian kissing you after the talk with Mother Giselle. Dorian hadn't been to my quarters yet, nor I had given him his amulet yet but I got the dance at the Winter Palace and the romance talk post Adamant. That way I can space out the romance scenes Going to re-post this in the Dorian thread, as it's super informative.
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