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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 2:58:32 GMT
I'm upset that we never get to declare our character's sexuality. It would be pretty awesome to able to do so and not have to go through awkward things like Peebee anti-gravity scene.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 3:09:24 GMT
I'm upset that we never get to declare our character's sexuality. It would be pretty awesome to able to do so and not have to go through awkward things like Peebee anti-gravity scene. I was more bothered by the fact that she says, "If you've got something else going, I don't care. I can be discrete." Flirting with someone is one thing. Yeah, people express interest and might have to be turned down (in a nice way!!) But having her proposition you for sex was just too much. I did not like it AT ALL. No, I don't care that it plays into her history.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 3:11:36 GMT
I'm upset that we never get to declare our character's sexuality. It would be pretty awesome to able to do so and not have to go through awkward things like Peebee anti-gravity scene. I was more bothered by the fact that she says, "If you've got something else going, I don't care. I can be discrete." Flirting with someone is one thing. Yeah, people express interest and might have to be turned down (in a nice way!!) But having her proposition you for sex was just too much. I did not like it AT ALL. No, I don't care that it plays into her history. Agreed. I know I'm probably over sensitive at times, but I would not be comfortable around someone in a work environment if they came at me like that. There's a huge difference between flirting with someone and being inappropriate. She crossed the line by about a mile.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 3:20:30 GMT
Sort of a change of subject, I think there was a missed opportunity for a gay or lesbian character to express support. If a male PC takes a certain path, you have a option to essentially "come out" in the scene. This plays out as a flirt, but is different depending on whether you've been flirting with him all along, or whether this is the first time. So not only is it tied to a flirt, it's not really expressing support other than to say, "Me too!" There is nothing for the female PC who might be a lesbian, which is unfortunate. (However, I will say that I really like Dorian jumping to the Inquisitor's defense after his father makes some asshole remark. I don't take this path, but it is nice to just see him react that way. It plays into the "I don't care what people think about me, but will defend you to my last breath" sort of thing he alludes to later on in the romance.) Actually, now that I think of it, I think that last bit is more meant to show Halward's viewpoint than anything else, so it's required that it be a male PC who flirts. Halward is of the view that Dorian is hedonistic and cares for nothing else. So his response to the Inquisitor coming out is to say, "I should have known," because he makes the offensive assumption that the only reason Dorian joined the Inquisition and is remaining in the South is because he has something going with the Inquisitor, rather than it being "the right thing to do." This is all old news to Dorian, but he is in turn pissed on the Inquisitor's behalf because the remark is disparaging to him as well. But my point still stands that there should be a means of support outside of that.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 8, 2017 3:20:32 GMT
I think the reason why you can't show support in that instance is because the Dorian's companion quest seems to function on the perspective of the Inquisitor being confused by the whole situation, which is why you ask whether being gay is a big deal in Tevinter. Like, the Inquisitor is supposed to be a southerner who can't possibly relate to the homophobia that Dorian is going through and can only really say something on the lines of "your dad's a douche" or "I have your back buddy" as a show of support.
Honestly know that I think about it the fact is the DA and ME games never really give you a definitive opportunity to express your sexual orientation and have that set in stone in the narrative. You can't tell Iron Bull for example "sorry I'm into women" when you get "ninjamanced" instead you just vaguely turn him down with no specified reason. I'm not sure how I feel about this because on one level I would like story to notice that my player character has a sexuality but on the otherhand I don't want to regret deciding to be straight early on in one run only to want to romance of the opposite sex later on.
Anyways, if there was a one missed opportunity I would think it would not having Sera or Iron Bull weigh in on Dorian troubles. I could just imagine the rant Sera would on if she found out about Dorian's dad and the blood magic and I could definitely see her sincerely ask if Dorian wanted him to get arrows. Iron Bull would probably distract him with a crude joke but than seriously ask if he's only dating him to piss off his father.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 3:26:43 GMT
^ As I recall, the only other follower who makes any comment at all is Cassandra, who relates because of her own uncle. I think they have a bit of a bonding moment over this. And then there is the whole series with Cole, but that's different.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 3:40:57 GMT
How does one get ninjamanced by Iron Bull...you take the flirt on the bridge scene to start the romance or you don't....
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 8, 2017 3:41:42 GMT
Okay, I sent something Had to compromise because typing her username meant I really only had 125 characters. Gifs to the rescue. God, that was difficult. I feel like I'm in highschool again, not good Oh well, not like she'll respond anyway. H-heh.Edit: Success, thanks!
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 3:41:53 GMT
Aaaaaanyway, I'm sure half the thread is like "Nightscrawl, STFU about Dorian already." So I will. Does anyone think we might get patch news this Tuesday? I'm hoping.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 3:46:51 GMT
That's adorable, BansheeOwnage. [edit] Edited mine since Banshee fixed hers.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 3:48:11 GMT
Okay, I sent something Had to compromise because typing her username meant I really only had 125 characters. Gifs to the rescue. How does embed? God, that was difficult. I feel like I'm in highschool again, not good Oh well, not like she'll respond anyway. H-heh. Embedding why. Halp. You just put the direct link address to your tweet in the message and the site will do the magic for you.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 3:51:25 GMT
That's adorable BansheeOwnage . (You can copy/pasta the tweet url in the post, if you want to edit.) x 10. BansheeOwnage You go on with your bad self!
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 8, 2017 3:52:42 GMT
That's adorable BansheeOwnage . (You can copy/pasta the tweet url in the post, if you want to edit.) Glad you like it! I guess that means it's not too creepy then? Ha. You just put the direct link address to your tweet in the message and the site will do the magic for you. Thanks Lee, and Nightscrawl! Didn't think it was that easy, so I was trying to use that Twitter button, and find the tweet's embedding code, etc. Overthinking things again
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 4:02:01 GMT
BansheeOwnage, I keep watching your avatar doing that head bob thing. It's mesmerizing. No wonder Suvi falls for her.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 4:06:05 GMT
Aaaaaanyway, I'm sure half the thread is like "Nightscrawl, STFU about Dorian already." So I will. Does anyone think we might get patch news this Tuesday? I'm hoping. I think it's cool that you like the character so much. I hope I get that attached to a character someday...well I mean I sort of am to Fenris I guess now that I think about it. But that feels like such a long time ago. I need him to be in a new game, or I need a new obsession one.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 4:12:30 GMT
Aaaaaanyway, I'm sure half the thread is like "Nightscrawl, STFU about Dorian already." So I will. Does anyone think we might get patch news this Tuesday? I'm hoping. I think it's cool that you like the character so much. I hope I get that attached to a character someday...well I mean I sort of am to Fenris I guess now that I think about it. But that feels like such a long time ago. I need him to be in a new game, or I need a new obsession one. Fenris was my guy for DA2. I was into him in a big way. David Gaider characters are my kryptonite, basically. I'm not into romancing Alistair or Zevran, for various reasons, but I adore Shale to pieces and I really enjoyed having Cassandra as a close friend in DAI. I feel the closest to her as my Inquisitor's friend than any other follower (except, uh, that other guy). I'm curious to know how much of the character changed from how Jennifer Hepler originally conceived her, or if DG just did his own thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 4:15:04 GMT
I think it's cool that you like the character so much. I hope I get that attached to a character someday...well I mean I sort of am to Fenris I guess now that I think about it. But that feels like such a long time ago. I need him to be in a new game, or I need a new obsession one. Fenris was my guy for DA2. I was into him in a big way. David Gaider characters are my kryptonite, basically. I'm not into romancing Alistair or Zevran, for various reasons, but I adore Shale to pieces. DA:O only had one romance as far as I can remember. Alistair trash for life.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 8, 2017 4:16:09 GMT
Aaaaaanyway, I'm sure half the thread is like "Nightscrawl, STFU about Dorian already." So I will. Does anyone think we might get patch news this Tuesday? I'm hoping. Possibly. Bioware is suddenly answering questions about it with soon so I can see an announcement this week and a release the next or something like that.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 8, 2017 4:25:19 GMT
How does one get ninjamanced by Iron Bull...you take the flirt on the bridge scene to start the romance or you don't.... I was just using him as an example of "ninjamancing." Probably should of used an example from Origins or Dragon Age 2.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 4:53:59 GMT
yeah. Origins was big with the Ninja mance, as was Mass Effect 1 apparently, but I knew going in so I used info on BSN to shut down racist and blue.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on May 8, 2017 5:23:10 GMT
I was more bothered by the fact that she says, "If you've got something else going, I don't care. I can be discrete." Flirting with someone is one thing. Yeah, people express interest and might have to be turned down (in a nice way!!) But having her proposition you for sex was just too much. I did not like it AT ALL. No, I don't care that it plays into her history. Agreed. I know I'm probably over sensitive at times, but I would not be comfortable around someone in a work environment if they came at me like that. There's a huge difference between flirting with someone and being inappropriate. She crossed the line by about a mile. Funnily enough, both times I've had that scene, she hasn't made any kind of suggestion beyond her voice getting flirty (which I grudgingly accept because they only recorded the one version instead of multiple ones). So while I've been bothered by the writing kinda pushing things to a Moment between her and Ryder, it's not been Peebee herself crossing the line there. I figure it's probably some combination of when I lock in Gil's romance (pretty sure I'd managed it both times by the time that scene happened), and probably the fact that I absolutely do not flirt with her before, to the point of pushing her off on Eos. Still... Yikes. Like, Peebee, it's not about wanting YOU to be discreet, it's about how I'm not about to cheat on someone.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 7:21:32 GMT
Agreed. I know I'm probably over sensitive at times, but I would not be comfortable around someone in a work environment if they came at me like that. There's a huge difference between flirting with someone and being inappropriate. She crossed the line by about a mile. Funnily enough, both times I've had that scene, she hasn't made any kind of suggestion beyond her voice getting flirty (which I grudgingly accept because they only recorded the one version instead of multiple ones). So while I've been bothered by the writing kinda pushing things to a Moment between her and Ryder, it's not been Peebee herself crossing the line there. I figure it's probably some combination of when I lock in Gil's romance (pretty sure I'd managed it both times by the time that scene happened), and probably the fact that I absolutely do not flirt with her before, to the point of pushing her off on Eos. Still... Yikes. Like, Peebee, it's not about wanting YOU to be discreet, it's about how I'm not about to cheat on someone. I think she doesn't do it if you've locked in the romance. Because Gil has such spare content, I ended up waiting a really long time for a lot of his scenes.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 7:36:20 GMT
You can actually get the peebee gravity scene before it's possible to lock into a relationship. So unless you put off her personal quest-you'll get the full blown effect of the cringe if you are trying to keep all the loyalty quests updated. So yeah...if I ever play again, I'm ignoring peebee till I'm locked into a romance.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 8, 2017 7:43:24 GMT
Sort of a change of subject, I think there was a missed opportunity for a gay or lesbian character to express support. If a male PC takes a certain path, you have a option to essentially "come out" in the scene. This plays out as a flirt, but is different depending on whether you've been flirting with him all along, or whether this is the first time. So not only is it tied to a flirt, it's not really expressing support other than to say, "Me too!" There is nothing for the female PC who might be a lesbian, which is unfortunate. (However, I will say that I really like Dorian jumping to the Inquisitor's defense after his father makes some asshole remark. I don't take this path, but it is nice to just see him react that way. It plays into the "I don't care what people think about me, but will defend you to my last breath" sort of thing he alludes to later on in the romance.) I agree completely! Here's what I wrote about it another thread recently (Gil started the discussion this time): I'm glad I'm not the only one who's posted about how annoying that is! Ugh! Both options sound like an outsider looking in rather than someone who could relate to Gil (and both kind of suck in general, which makes it even worse).
Why is the only way for our characters to show their orientation to do a romance? Other characters show it all the time, just not the PC. And moments like these are a natural way for it to be brought up. We had the same problem in DA:I with Dorian's conversation about his situation, and no way to relate to him as a gay woman. It makes it hard to do the convo, because it seems like such an obvious thing to bring up. You could even have different responses to describe your family's stance, like earlier when talking to Josephine.
For example "I'm sorry Dorian, my parents put my happiness over political alliances. I wish yours did too" or "That probably would have happened to me too if I didn't have four older siblings" (I'm not a writer, just spit-balling general sentiments).
But nope, can't have things like that. Your character is Straight Until Proven Otherwise™, and the only way to prove otherwise is do a romance (which I didn't do with my canon in DA:I).
Funnily enough, when writing that I was actually remembering a similar conversation about that issue on the old BSN, and I'm pretty sure it was with you The word "solidarity" was used. Solidarity would have been nice, indeed. Oh, and I was referring to Dorian's conversation back at Skyhold after his quest more than in the tavern itself. I'm upset that we never get to declare our character's sexuality. It would be pretty awesome to able to do so and not have to go through awkward things like Peebee anti-gravity scene. I was more bothered by the fact that she says, "If you've got something else going, I don't care. I can be discrete." Flirting with someone is one thing. Yeah, people express interest and might have to be turned down (in a nice way!!) But having her proposition you for sex was just too much. I did not like it AT ALL. No, I don't care that it plays into her history. It's late, so here's another post I made recently about Peebee I wasn't thrilled about that either. Mostly on a meta-level for constantly pushing asari onto us (sometimes literally now), but also because of our lack of response options to her proposal.
And it's sad, because I thought of the perfect solution: You know how she won't proposition you if you're locked into a romance? Well, just make it so she only propositions you if you've actually flirted with her at least once. It would be such an easy way for gay guys and straight women, or people just not interested in her, to not have to groan at that scene every playthrough.
Plus, I think it would help the issue of it coming out of nowhere. I wasn't even overly friendly to her in my playthrough, so it came across as some combination of "I need to get laid, and you have a body, you'll do", and "You're interesting because protagonist", both of which are pretty And I agree, encouraging you to cheat definitely crossed the line. It's not just a jerk-move, but kind of inconsistent, too, because apparently she doesn't proposition you if you are locked-in Aaaaaanyway, I'm sure half the thread is like "Nightscrawl, STFU about Dorian already." So I will. Does anyone think we might get patch news this Tuesday? I'm hoping. Maybe, but not me! I like Dorian, and discussions. As for the patch, Deluxe Edition owners are apparently getting another outfit sometime in May (perfect for your romance ambitions, whatever that means ), which would logically need to be patched in. Presumably they'll bundle that with a patch. I'm aching for a patch... it's been long enough and there are lots of important fixes and improvements that we need! Vague character creator and m/m improvements, and hopefully a fix for Ryder being invisible during movie night, just to name a few That's adorable BansheeOwnage . (You can copy/pasta the tweet url in the post, if you want to edit.) x 10. BansheeOwnage You go on with your bad self! Ha, thanks. I am kind of bad. If she responds negatively, I'll blame you (and others) for encouraging me to use draft 3 BansheeOwnage , I keep watching your avatar doing that head bob thing. It's mesmerizing. No wonder Suvi falls for her. Aww, haha, that's a good way to describe it. Glad I'm not the only one who sometimes ends up doing that Oh yeah, Suvi is a lucky girl. Sara, too. I often listen to music while posting, and the bobbing would occasionally sync up to its beat, so I made this version as well. Not as mesmerizing, but amusing. ♫ Dun dun dun dun dun dun ♫ Aaaaaanyway, I'm sure half the thread is like "Nightscrawl, STFU about Dorian already." So I will. I think it's cool that you like the character so much. I hope I get that attached to a character someday...well I mean I sort of am to Fenris I guess now that I think about it. But that feels like such a long time ago. I need him to be in a new game, or I need a new obsession one. I feel like I finally got there with Suvi. I was pretty close with Cullen, but him being a guy was still a bit of a barrier for me (more power to you if that kind of thing isn't). I've tried other f/f romances, but they didn't quite do it. Suvi's great in every way (except lack of content), though, and I find her more relatable than Cullen. I hope you get someone you like that much ASAP! Fenris was my guy for DA2. I was into him in a big way. David Gaider characters are my kryptonite, basically. I'm not into romancing Alistair or Zevran, for various reasons, but I adore Shale to pieces. DA:O only had one romance as far as I can remember. Alistair trash for life. Think I'll have to romance Alistair next DA:O playthrough I do. I'm brave enough, after Cullen Agreed. I know I'm probably over sensitive at times, but I would not be comfortable around someone in a work environment if they came at me like that. There's a huge difference between flirting with someone and being inappropriate. She crossed the line by about a mile. Funnily enough, both times I've had that scene, she hasn't made any kind of suggestion beyond her voice getting flirty (which I grudgingly accept because they only recorded the one version instead of multiple ones). So while I've been bothered by the writing kinda pushing things to a Moment between her and Ryder, it's not been Peebee herself crossing the line there. I figure it's probably some combination of when I lock in Gil's romance (pretty sure I'd managed it both times by the time that scene happened), and probably the fact that I absolutely do not flirt with her before, to the point of pushing her off on Eos. Still... Yikes. Like, Peebee, it's not about wanting YOU to be discreet, it's about how I'm not about to cheat on someone. Yes, I believe locking in before that scene is the only way for her not to proposition you. Edit: It's unfortunate, though, because some romances lock-in earlier than others. Next playthrough I'll probably just hold off triggering that scene until I lock-in, but if I romance Suvi again that'll mean I'll have to go through a huge chunk of the game ignoring Peebee and her quests (for some reason Suvi locks-in at least one priority mission after everyone else I know of - after the Archon's flagship). Not ideal.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 9:07:14 GMT
BansheeOwnage I hope your voice actor crush notices you in the best of ways! I'm also glad you found Suvi. I really enjoy you talking about her. It's good to know some people really got something out of this game. Oh, I do hope you enjoy the Alistair romance if you get around to trying it. I mean it isn't for everyone, but I'm madly in love with the fact that you can make out with him whenever you want. Still mad that wasn't an option for the bi romances.
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