The Character Romance thread (Official)

You're welcome, though I wish you didn't cut the rest out since that's what I was hoping to discuss more than this.
By that I meant it is the only time ace/demi representation that was official and not headcanon occurred. The only time it has officially occurred is with Josephine whose romance was designed to be ambiguous, and her writer later stated on Twitter that seeing Josie as asexual or demisexual are valid interpretations of her character. That wouldn't have happened if she wasn't written that way. Plus there is more to demisexuality than just that that eliminates most LIs and romances. 

i love that i know exactly what y'all are referring to 

I go to sleep for six hours and return to this place having turned into the Legion romance discussion thread.

Proceed.

Discussion question, is sleeping with Legion technically polyamory?

(Also, was someone trying to drag Evfra as an LI? Excuse you, I'll have you know he's my Scott Ryder's boyfriend. I mean, I don't think he knows it yet, but it's like, it's a subtle thing? God, it's called slow burn, jeez.)

Ryder's love cures racism!

Lol, magic wand.

"Bibbidi bobbidi buttsex!"

Oh, yeah, definitely, that makes sense. It's important to be friends when you're lovers I can't do it any other way, personally.

Oh, I know. It's funny actually, because I don't usually play casual flirts either, but Dorian caught me by surprise my first playthrough

Yes, why, Bioware? We need more of this!


I KNOW!!! Still waiting for my Hug Cole DLC, Bioware! Seriously, think of the dialogue there, adorable. I'm glad I could hug Cullen a lot, but sadly only in a romance. I mean, hugging is a totally normal thing people do all the time, and generally you could even reuse the same animation for different characters! We need more ways to express platonic bonds with characters, and it's nice in a romance too.

I guess now I'm also waiting for a Hug Suvi DLC. None, in the whole romance, why? There's even a hug tease, as mentioned above. But I got to hug Jaal's mom. Priorities, you know?

Rant aside, I'm glad we got to hug Jaal's mom. And Scott. But still. Half my interrupts in the game were hugging or kissing

Oh, I've been with you 100% for years! I've suggested multiple options for each (or at least most) flirt opportunity before as well. Flirting is definitely something that's hit-or-miss for your character, so it's lame that we generally only have one path to take if we want to romance someone. It also makes your character pretty much identical to all other characters who romances X, as you say, which is lame.

Getting to choose between something sexual or vague, or something more direct or awkward, depending on the situation, would be amazing for roleplaying. If the romance plays out slightly differently depending on your path (even just a line acknowledging your flirting style), that would be really cool too.

I don't actually think it's a lot to ask for. Most flirts having 2 options rather than 1 isn't a huge amount of new lines. Besides, I think it would be a worthy addition.

And I'm glad that they are actually taking the first steps of implementing this, as we discussed earlier in thread, Suvi has an instance where you can choose between 2 very different flirts.

I'd really like to know, partly just for curiosity's sake, how this works in both DA:I and ME:A for each romance. For a given romance, do you need to take all available flirts, or miss out? Is it only specific ones? Can you not even do any and just take the one that always appears in their conversation tree to start a romance? Are there different paths depending on the combination (apparently Jaal has different paths depending on if you take the "friendship" lines with him or not, and I'm wondering if you can lock-in with Suvi in tea scene if you haven't flirted with her before)?

It's no problem. Sorry I was a bit snarky.

Well, obviously I'm all for doing things properly, so yeah, if you choose the no-sex path, there shouldn't be a mention of sex after nor should you simply get no scene instead, that's definitely not fair. To be honest, I might like a potential no-sex route more depending on what you'd get instead, since I love romantic stuff. As an idea, I think it might be cool if you got to delay a sex scene (or even have it be repeatable). You would get slightly different dialogue and it would be great for roleplaying a demi, since you could sort of put it into practice rather than just not have a scene.

Ideally, multiple dialogue options could be used, in the vein of "I'm not ready yet", or "I'm not a sexual person".

I wonder (not making assumptions, just wondering) if Cora's writer is happy that the no-sex path was well-received partly because the sex-route is just so... excessive, with her. Which was presumably more up to the leads/animators than her.

I went back and found your post again, you happy? And some others; missed a page catching up apparently.

Josephine's writer saying it's a valid interpretation is nice and all, but I don't think you need writer-approval to see, say, Cullen's romance, the same way. I don't think it would be less valid to headcanon there than in Josephine's path.

Penis... The word is Penis..
hnn.. I have a deja vue

I just dont want to get assaulted and then get that assault sold as some quirky shit??
Should I play scott PB would've ridden his crotch, without consent.. Which runs as sexual assault in my books..
Making it sexy just makes it more icky because it implies its okay if the assaulter is made to be sexy/sympathetic..

That shit triggered me. No joke.
In school I had a female student who couldnt hold her hands off me despite me asking her to stop.
She touched my ass, my back, she jumped on me, tackling me..
I. hate. to. be. touched.. like by most people becaufe most light touch feels uncomfortable, even painful. When ppl ask me or do it roght its okay, but she did neither..
Fourth time she slapped my butt and tried to jump on my back.
I hit her in the face. Not closed fist, but it was very much a panic reflex..
She went off crying to a teacher who told her she should have listened to my "Stop doing it or I will hit back.."

In game I cant do anything until shes done with her sing and danceroutine..
I wished I could lift or singularity her ass.. Her floating around would be harmless enough and offer a chance for some comedic timing...
The first time that scene ran I was really angry.. I know its stupid, but her character never really recovered from that introduction(and its ugly, somewhat sexist implications)

I don't watch Sense8, but I know about it. Given that the Wachowski siblings both came out as trans and the show is on Netflix, I find it hard to believe that they really give a shit about anti-LGBTQ+ assholes.

Netflix was apparently very supportive when the series was originally pitched, the series is critically acclaimed, and Nexflix's own viewer stats show it is highly popular. Also, apparently they have the series mapped out from beginning to end as a five season/year series. So maybe give these particular people the benefit of the doubt that they are telling the story they want to tell, in the way they want to tell it. Maybe Leto/Hernando will have more content next season; you just can't know.


As for Dorian in DA4, as a huge Dorian fan, I'm not really concerned. There isn't a reason to touch on his sexuality in any significant way in the next game. Not only is he not a romance option (Mike Laidlaw commented that they will stick with this pattern of previous LIs not being available), but the main source of his struggle (his father), is gone and he's now a magister. Dorian's gay arc is done. Now he's just a guy who happens to be gay, and new players might not even know if there's no reason to mention it. I don't expect any significant romance content involving the Inquisitor (if present), because, frankly, it would be unfair to people who don't import that romance. I say that as a person who would love more Inquisitor/Dorian stuff; all the things! If anything, it will be the same minor level of content as we saw in DAA with King Alistair/Warden, or with Hawke talking about their LI.

Honestly, my biggest concern at the moment is that they will make him a martyr for his country.

For anyone wondering about Dorian/Bull, there also can't be significant content there because Iron Bull could be dead or even not recruited.

The excuse for Lavellan/Solas in that case is that that is completely unresolved and needs closure, and PW even said that he wants that to happen (but can't promise anything).

What people should be concerned about is the possible portrayal of Maevaris, and however that will be handled, as well as any as-of-yet unknown LI options. I totally get concern for those.


[edit] If characters from Magekiller make an appearance, it would be rad if they showed an example of a positive lesbian relationship with Charter/Tessa, since the other main ones in the series -- Leliana/Marjorlaine, Celene/Briala -- have been abusive and toxic.

Sharing? Pfft, yeah, okay. No. Bring on the gay aliens who don't want any women, thanks. Sit in the fucking corner like we did for four fucking games. Sharing? A joke at this point.

Let's count aliens...
Straight women had turian, drell, angara.
Lez women had turian and asari.
Bi women had shitton of aliens.
Guess how much gay men had?

Sorry, not sharing anymore. Sharing is not caring at this point. I may be petty, but if being bi ruins Jaal's character then with next male alien being bi will ruing his integrity too, bc he'll be the gayest gay.
You can keep Jaal, np, his level of obsession is borderline creepy. I'm taking Evfra. :sure: