The Character Romance thread (Official)

I don't know if I'm ready. Hold me V!

Well and...WHY has he done Coras scene and not Reyes, Suvi, Vetras and Gils?
That one guy could have cut out 20 minutes and spread those equally on those foru, but no, hetero scene with PB, cora and jaal are more important as it seems..

Why do they put their most talented people onto the heterosexual softcore-porn scene(of a person that is, ironically considered unfuckable by those shes supposed to pander to, because her hair isnt feminine enough.)

Why do the hetero-pairing get the longest scenes, animated by the best animators while the rest gets some scraps, tumbled together by those animators who feel icked out by gay men making out and don't have the professional maturity to admit it and then to ask someone who does feel comfortable with animating an intimate gay love scene between two dudes. or to just do it and work through their sense of unease. 



so.. why is that?


because heteros are more important. Hetero players are more important, homophobic hetero players are more important, so important that they get the best people, staff, animations and everything must be designed with them in mind..

why is that? because they are more important?

Then Bioware should own that and don't pretend to be LGBT friendly.. because being an ally doesn't just work when its easy and convenient to do..
If you are drowning in cake, giving one to me wont cost you much.
If you only have one, to share it equally, giving something that means you cant get as much as you are used to because you share.. that would be being an ally.
Shit is worthless if not supported by deeds.


its being like gaider or weekes, accepting uncomfortable criticism, allotting resources away from the default because, as gaider said..

just because gstraight peope are inte majority doenst mean they are entitled to getting everything or more and better. 
Being LGBT friendly means ggiving us something because we matter, and not because they had some resources flying around that nobody needed, so they can give it to the gay and pose asa an inclusive company..




you know homophobia doenst even have to mean hate.
I dont care whether (general you, not you as person)you think i deserve less quality because you hate me or whether you think you still deserve more because you are straight and, no hate, but you people are the majority so you deserve the majority..

the effect is still the same.


it means being the last thing considered because everything else is more important..
that means a team that spends time programming sand and snow particles clinging to the nomad and our armor, but shitting in some third rate M/m scene  that gets over hyped in PR and driving out Cheryl because shes not dancing around the straight male homophobic gamerboy they seem to cater so much while pretending they care.  

Second class, second fiddle, the last considered.. even if thats for practical reasons, its still second class. 

This is what I'm expecting. Patch notes appear after you've applied the patch. They say:

Dear USERNAME,

Your username was detected leaving a bug-report on EA servers. According to the information you provided, you had issues with:

Kadara
Jaal
The Tempest
Party Banter

Thank you for your input. This patch will solve the issues you highlighted by:

DELETING Kadara
DELETING Jaal
DELETING The Tempest
DELETING Party Banter

Thank you for your support.

The Mass Effect Team.

Ahhh but what if I worded my bug report as having an issue with "Jaal's straightness" and so they very helpfully DELETE Jaal's straightness?

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Scott Ryder "The Gay"? I thought not, it's not a story BioWare would tell you. It is an Initiative legend. Scott Ryder was a Pathfinder of the Initiative, so powerful and so gay he could use the Fabulousness to influence the devs to create M/M content... He had such a knowledge of the gay side of the Kinsey scale that he could even keep the ones who cared about him from having criminally short romance arcs. The gay side of the scale is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be disturbing. He became so powerful ... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught BioWare everything he knew, then BioWare killed any further M/M content in development. He could save others from death, but not himself.

Well that particular shot is very obviously invoking Rule of Cool for a neat arrival shot, something ME games have always used

Agreed. The Extra Credits video on the facial animations mentioned how despite the animators getting flack, it might not even be an animation issue.  It might be any number of other things that broke the animation algorithm.

The thing is that we'll never know for sure what went wrong: with facial animations, M/M romances, any of it.  Not without leaks, anyway.  There might be an internal post-mortem for the dev team, but we're sure as hell never gonna see it. 

a commodity that is crafted by individual writers, with feedback admittedly, but the vibe I've always gotten from BioWare writing is that they have a bit of freedom, for good or ill, to do bring their own vision to the material they use.

That's why there are certain writers we expect certain things of.

I'm not defending it, but its been a problem for ME since really the first one, there's a similar shot of the Reapers steaming towards the Milky Way at the end of ME2

Of course there will always be fans of nearly any character, but I have a hard time believing the majority of people do not think there are seriously flaws with the way Gil is written. Of course you can say, "well, you can't prove it", and all we have to go on is the tone of various online communities. I think denying the pretty obvious bulk of complaints is either obtuse or just intellectually dishonest, though. There are certainly additional complaints about the state of m/m romances, but that's no reason to minimize the issue of the writing, at least for Gil. Reyes has gotten a more positive result, from what I've seen, possibly because he's a bi character that was written with a different first perspective. Or just because.. he has a better writer. I couldn't tell you on that one.

I agree, and adjacent question, who did actually write Gil and what else has s/he written for Bioware so far? Does anyone know?

Gil's writer was Neil Pollner. He also wrote Peebee. Aas far his previous work, I have no clue