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Post by ToLazy4Name on May 12, 2017 23:52:45 GMT
And for that we need a lgbtq mod I'm sure someone else has said this by this point, but we already have one.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 12, 2017 23:54:27 GMT
I'm with you that the facial animations and bugs aren't top priority, but the animations bug me specifically because they were a lot better in DA:I, which was on the same engine. I'd also consider them important because, well, tons of emotion is (supposed to be) conveyed through them. My Ryder almost never smiled in the entire game - or even emoted at all - whereas my Inquisitor made tons of good facial expressions. That's a little funny now that I think about it. Quizzy is flat with voice expression but not face, and Ryder is flat with facial expression but not voice. Guess having both is too much to ask I'm pretty forgiving of bugs as long as they get patched. One day we will have both. I hope.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 12, 2017 23:57:26 GMT
And for that we need a lgbtq mod I'm sure someone else has said this by this point, but we already have one. Your trophy is in the mail.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on May 12, 2017 23:58:04 GMT
I'm sure someone else has said this by this point, but we already have one. Your trophy is in the mail. YO you got me to check my email and I got an invite to a beta I signed up for fucking radical
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 13, 2017 0:07:43 GMT
Aw thanks. What's funny about Liam is that he was written by Lukas Kristjanson, one of the original Bioware writers. So even if we were to attribute inexperience from a lot of the Montreal staff and acknowledge leadership's portion of blame, I'm surprised Liam has been such a polarising character, as I don't think he's meant to be like Sera or Vivienne. He was supposed to be the default friend for Scott (though not the default romance for Sara interestingly). Writers can have hits and misses but overall I've felt Lukas' characters have been well written and deep, even if they weren't my favorites. So I wonder what happened there, if he didn't feel strongly about the character or game, if he was given a specific set of character traits to work within, or if he really committed to Liam's character and it just fell flat to a lot of people. I don't think Liam was badly written, he just doesn't work for me. Sera didn't work for me, either. He also wrote Carver Hawke and Avaline. I have the same issues with Carver as I have with Liam. However, Carver's are mitigated by his age. Avaline is "just okay" for me. Perhaps I just don't click with his type of character. I did quite like In Your Heart Shall Burn, though, especially as Corypheus's big introduction in DAI. I said this in the Gil thread as well, but I'm wondering if they left that in temporarily until the m/m content patch is released. Some gay players are sort of using both romances to supplement the limited content they get, but that's not a problem for those others. However, I do recognize that that might be attributing more to Bioware and the MEA team than they deserve, since lack of foresight was how we got into this mess in the first place.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 13, 2017 0:08:57 GMT
Aw thanks. What's funny about Liam is that he was written by Lukas Kristjanson, one of the original Bioware writers. So even if we were to attribute inexperience from a lot of the Montreal staff and acknowledge leadership's portion of blame, I'm surprised Liam has been such a polarising character, as I don't think he's meant to be like Sera or Vivienne. He was supposed to be the default friend for Scott (though not the default romance for Sara interestingly). Writers can have hits and misses but overall I've felt Lukas' characters have been well written and deep, even if they weren't my favorites. So I wonder what happened there, if he didn't feel strongly about the character or game, if he was given a specific set of character traits to work within, or if he really committed to Liam's character and it just fell flat to a lot of people. I don't think Liam was badly written, he just doesn't work for me. Sera didn't work for me, either. He also wrote Carver Hawke and Avaline. I have the same issues with Carver as I have with Liam. However, Carver's are mitigated by his age. Avaline is "just okay" for me. Perhaps I just don't click with his type of character. I did quite like In Your Heart Shall Burn, though, especially as Corypheus's big introduction in DAI. Yeah, I've noticed he's generally better with plot and quest related writing than character writing, with some exceptions.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 13, 2017 0:13:18 GMT
Can I just say that while I like Liam his character probably rubs people the wrong because he acts differently one scene to another. From threatening to kill Peebee for running into Ryder to making a compassionate speech about bringing the Exiles back into the fold, the guy is all over the place. The fact he's also pretty much the embodiment of MEA's "younger and less inexperienced" tone is also going to piss people off because Liam making childish jokes and emotional flipping out constantly makes players think he's more of a liability that doesn't deserve to be part of the Pathfinder crew. And worse about Liam is unlike other Lukas Kristjanson characters like Carver and Sera there really isn't a good explanation why he acts the way he does. Carver was a farmboy that spent his entire in Hawke's shadow and Sera is an elf in Thedas whose biggest role models were vengeful peasants that killed nobles that abused them, so both of them being really emotional fucked up makes a lot of sense, while Liam the ex-cop and crisis specialist with no family issues does not.
The fact that he makes the almost exact same "peace, exploration, discovery and finding my place" speeches that Cora, Vetra, Jaal and Peebee do doesn't help make him distinct from all the other squadmates either.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 13, 2017 0:17:20 GMT
Can I just say that while I like Liam his character probably rubs people the wrong because he acts differently one scene to another. From threatening to kill Peebee for running into Ryder to making a compassionate speech about bringing the Exiles back into the fold, the guy is all over the place. The fact he's also pretty much the embodiment of MEA's "younger and less inexperienced" tone is also going to piss people off because Liam making childish jokes and emotional flipping out constantly makes players think he's more of a liability that doesn't deserve to be part of the Pathfinder crew. And worse about Liam is unlike other Lukas Kristjanson characters like Carver and Sera there really isn't a good explanation why he acts the way he does. Carver was a farmboy that spent his entire in Hawke's shadow and Sera is an elf in Thedas whose biggest role models were vengeful peasants that killed nobles that abused them, so both of them being really emotional fucked up makes a lot of sense, while Liam the ex-cop and crisis specialist with no family issues does not. The fact that he makes the almost exact same "peace, exploration, discovery and finding my place" speeches that Cora, Vetra, Jaal and Peebee do doesn't help make him distinct from all the other squadmates either. I did notice that almost everyone in the game had the same reasons for being in Andromeda. "I finally feel like I have a purpose, especially with you." *Heart eyes*
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 13, 2017 0:29:15 GMT
Can I just say that while I like Liam his character probably rubs people the wrong because he acts differently one scene to another. From threatening to kill Peebee for running into Ryder to making a compassionate speech about bringing the Exiles back into the fold, the guy is all over the place. The fact he's also pretty much the embodiment of MEA's "younger and less inexperienced" tone is also going to piss people off because Liam making childish jokes and emotional flipping out constantly makes players think he's more of a liability that doesn't deserve to be part of the Pathfinder crew. And worse about Liam is unlike other Lukas Kristjanson characters like Carver and Sera there really isn't a good explanation why he acts the way he does. Carver was a farmboy that spent his entire in Hawke's shadow and Sera is an elf in Thedas whose biggest role models were vengeful peasants that killed nobles that abused them, so both of them being really emotional fucked up makes a lot of sense, while Liam the ex-cop and crisis specialist with no family issues does not. The fact that he makes the almost exact same "peace, exploration, discovery and finding my place" speeches that Cora, Vetra, Jaal and Peebee do doesn't help make him distinct from all the other squadmates either. I did notice that almost everyone in the game had the same reasons for being in Andromeda. "I finally feel like I have a purpose, especially with you." *Heart eyes* I know right! I mean, I get MEA is supposed to more idealistic and lighter (if you ignore the Space Nazi Kett) but the fact that almost everyone has the same motivations and goals just made things feel bland. DA2, DAI, and ME2 are great because the squadmates were so morally diverse and many of them had viewpoints and goals that clashed. Say what you will about Vivienne and Sera but at least they were distinct characters.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 0:30:55 GMT
Nothing like flirting with your companion's father. And here I am still playing SWTOR, hoping that Jace becomes a romance option. Guy is too by the book and doesn't really react to the two flirts. But the Iokath storyline is JUST starting so I'm thinking that he'll become available in the future, same with his Empire counterpart Empress Acina, you can flirt with her a few times so I'm thinking that both of them will become options in the future.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 13, 2017 0:38:37 GMT
Nothing like flirting with your companion's father. And here I am still playing SWTOR, hoping that Jace becomes a romance option. Guy is too by the book and doesn't really react to the two flirts. But the Iokath storyline is JUST starting so I'm thinking that he'll become available in the future, same with his Empire counterpart Empress Acina, you can flirt with her a few times so I'm thinking that both of them will become options in the future. I dunno how much effort they'll put forth to characters that can die at the end of the Iokath stuff. Also, flirting with Jace with Theron in the party if you've romanced him is just weird and kind of strange they made you take him.
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Post by Mihura on May 13, 2017 0:40:25 GMT
Nothing like flirting with your companion's father. And here I am still playing SWTOR, hoping that Jace becomes a romance option. Guy is too by the book and doesn't really react to the two flirts. But the Iokath storyline is JUST starting so I'm thinking that he'll become available in the future, same with his Empire counterpart Empress Acina, you can flirt with her a few times so I'm thinking that both of them will become options in the future. This one is really strange too since it is Jenifer Hale flirting with Jennifer Hale, also poor Theron everyone flirt with his parents lel
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 0:45:31 GMT
Nothing like flirting with your companion's father. And here I am still playing SWTOR, hoping that Jace becomes a romance option. Guy is too by the book and doesn't really react to the two flirts. But the Iokath storyline is JUST starting so I'm thinking that he'll become available in the future, same with his Empire counterpart Empress Acina, you can flirt with her a few times so I'm thinking that both of them will become options in the future. I dunno how much effort they'll put forth to characters that can die at the end of the Iokath stuff. Also, flirting with Jace with Theron in the party if you've romanced him is just weird and kind of strange they made you take him. Well it looks like they are going to have two storylines, one where you side with the Empire the other where you side with the Republic. so Jace and Acina should be safe since they are the "leaders" of the respective faction in Iokath. Either way all of my characters are going to side with the Republic just in case Jace becomes romancable. Although I'm not going into Fallen Empire/Throne on my alts until more of the story is released. Which will be fun for my Empire guys : "I defected to get some daddy, sorry"
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 13, 2017 0:52:11 GMT
I dunno how much effort they'll put forth to characters that can die at the end of the Iokath stuff. Also, flirting with Jace with Theron in the party if you've romanced him is just weird and kind of strange they made you take him. Well it looks like they are going to have two storylines, one where you side with the Empire the other where you side with the Republic. so Jace and Acina should be safe since they are the "leaders" of the respective faction in Iokath. Either way all of my characters are going to side with the Republic just in case Jace becomes romancable. Although I'm not going into Fallen Empire/Throne on my alts until more of the story is released. Which will be fun for my Empire guys : "I defected to get some daddy, sorry" My main is a LS Sith marauder, so my crew is already VERY used to my character not siding with the Empire at this point. They know I go where the D is...
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 13, 2017 1:15:38 GMT
ca.ign.com/articles/2017/05/10/mass-effect-series-on-hold-according-to-reportSo... Everyone probably already knows this but Mass Effect is going to undergo a hiatus for awhile with no sequels currently being planned. DLC's are probably going to still be underway but I wonder what this means for the Pathfinder cast. It wouldn't surprise me if a sequel does come that it would basically just reboot the series again and try to forget Andromeda even happened given its lukewarm reception and instead have the sequel take place another 600 years from now in a different part of the Andromeda galaxy. I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or not.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 13, 2017 1:23:38 GMT
ca.ign.com/articles/2017/05/10/mass-effect-series-on-hold-according-to-reportSo... Everyone probably already knows this but Mass Effect is going to undergo a hiatus for awhile with no sequels currently being planned. DLC's are probably going to still be underway but I wonder what this means for the Pathfinder cast. It wouldn't surprise me if a sequel does come that it would basically just reboot the series again and try to forget Andromeda even happened given its lukewarm reception and instead have the sequel take place another 600 years from now in a different part of the Andromeda galaxy. I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or not. All of the non-Kotaku pieces I've seen about this cite Kotaku in their reporting. Kotaku only has "four sources close to the company." There hasn't been any official statement regarding anything, other than that vague EA statement that says, "Even as BioWare continues to focus on the Mass Effect Andromeda community and live service, we are constantly looking at how we're prepared for the next experiences we will create," and, "There will be much more to come from BioWare in the years ahead." This doesn't look much different from the same pattern that they've been doing for all of their games now, including for DAI. The fact that they also have this new IP in development means that they are going to be shuffling people around for a long while as long as there isn't a game in full production mode. [edit] I've been wondering if Bioware is going to stretch themselves thin with this new IP. But then when you consider that it might be a "live service" game, it sort of makes me wonder whether creating it was a command from on high to "join the live service market" so the studio justifies its existence outside of developing two major SP franchises that players have to wait years between. Just think: now that MEA is released, fans of Bioware SP games have nothing to do but wait. This is in addition to the fact that not all players of ME are fans of DA, and vice versa. So it will be even longer for those single franchise players.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 1:52:00 GMT
Aw thanks. What's funny about Liam is that he was written by Lukas Kristjanson, one of the original Bioware writers. So even if we were to attribute inexperience from a lot of the Montreal staff and acknowledge leadership's portion of blame, I'm surprised Liam has been such a polarising character, as I don't think he's meant to be like Sera or Vivienne. He was supposed to be the default friend for Scott (though not the default romance for Sara interestingly). Writers can have hits and misses but overall I've felt Lukas' characters have been well written and deep, even if they weren't my favorites. So I wonder what happened there, if he didn't feel strongly about the character or game, if he was given a specific set of character traits to work within, or if he really committed to Liam's character and it just fell flat to a lot of people. I don't think Liam was badly written, he just doesn't work for me. Sera didn't work for me, either. He also wrote Carver Hawke and Avaline. I have the same issues with Carver as I have with Liam. However, Carver's are mitigated by his age. Avaline is "just okay" for me. Perhaps I just don't click with his type of character. I did quite like In Your Heart Shall Burn, though, especially as Corypheus's big introduction in DAI. I said this in the Gil thread as well, but I'm wondering if they left that in temporarily until the m/m content patch is released. Some gay players are sort of using both romances to supplement the limited content they get, but that's not a problem for those others. However, I do recognize that that might be attributing more to Bioware and the MEA team than they deserve, since lack of foresight was how we got into this mess in the first place. I'm sure Liam unfairly is stigmatised as the starting human male companion so the deck was already stacked against him. And since his romance content is a lot less than Jaal's he has less support in that area. But it seems like he's generally regarded as lukewarm, although as a whole the entire crew hasn't been runaway successes like other Bioware characters. And that is from any game, not just the squad from the entire trilogy. MET is the outlier in that most Bioware companions only have one game to establish themselves and many of those characters are still popular. So MEA's characters don't get an out just because ME1's crew also took another game to flesh out. I personally liked Carver (annoying little shit that he is, I can understand where he's coming from) and Aveline and Sera. Sera depends on my mood but overall I like her. And he wrote Jaheira's BG2 romance which was my favorite of them all. But just hearing such mixed reviews about Liam is a shame. Can I just say that while I like Liam his character probably rubs people the wrong because he acts differently one scene to another. From threatening to kill Peebee for running into Ryder to making a compassionate speech about bringing the Exiles back into the fold, the guy is all over the place. The fact he's also pretty much the embodiment of MEA's "younger and less inexperienced" tone is also going to piss people off because Liam making childish jokes and emotional flipping out constantly makes players think he's more of a liability that doesn't deserve to be part of the Pathfinder crew. And worse about Liam is unlike other Lukas Kristjanson characters like Carver and Sera there really isn't a good explanation why he acts the way he does. Carver was a farmboy that spent his entire in Hawke's shadow and Sera is an elf in Thedas whose biggest role models were vengeful peasants that killed nobles that abused them, so both of them being really emotional fucked up makes a lot of sense, while Liam the ex-cop and crisis specialist with no family issues does not. The fact that he makes the almost exact same "peace, exploration, discovery and finding my place" speeches that Cora, Vetra, Jaal and Peebee do doesn't help make him distinct from all the other squadmates either. Someone mentioned that it would have been cool to have Bain Massani as a companion, because then his backstory wouldn't have been so milquetoast and he might actually have a past in the Milky Way he's running away from. The MEA crew all seem like watered down version of MET archetypes. ca.ign.com/articles/2017/05/10/mass-effect-series-on-hold-according-to-reportSo... Everyone probably already knows this but Mass Effect is going to undergo a hiatus for awhile with no sequels currently being planned. DLC's are probably going to still be underway but I wonder what this means for the Pathfinder cast. It wouldn't surprise me if a sequel does come that it would basically just reboot the series again and try to forget Andromeda even happened given its lukewarm reception and instead have the sequel take place another 600 years from now in a different part of the Andromeda galaxy. I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or not. I doubt they'll abandon the IP but it will take back burner status for some time. I feel like EA really wants this new online IP to take off as it could be a cash cow, so that's going to be the focus of Bioware for a while. And DAI had a successful enough reception that DA4 will take precedence over a possible MEA2. I really think that EA wasn't fully trusting in ME anymore after the ME3 endings which generated so much bad press, so they only gave enough support to let Bio Montreal hang themselves with if it wasn't an immediate success.
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Post by Steelcan on May 13, 2017 1:58:10 GMT
ca.ign.com/articles/2017/05/10/mass-effect-series-on-hold-according-to-reportSo... Everyone probably already knows this but Mass Effect is going to undergo a hiatus for awhile with no sequels currently being planned. DLC's are probably going to still be underway but I wonder what this means for the Pathfinder cast. It wouldn't surprise me if a sequel does come that it would basically just reboot the series again and try to forget Andromeda even happened given its lukewarm reception and instead have the sequel take place another 600 years from now in a different part of the Andromeda galaxy. I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or not. All of the non-Kotaku pieces I've seen about this cite Kotaku in their reporting. Kotaku only has "four sources close to the company." There hasn't been any official statement regarding anything, other than that vague EA statement that says, "Even as BioWare continues to focus on the Mass Effect Andromeda community and live service, we are constantly looking at how we're prepared for the next experiences we will create," and, "There will be much more to come from BioWare in the years ahead." This doesn't look much different from the same pattern that they've been doing for all of their games now, including for DAI. The fact that they also have this new IP in development means that they are going to be shuffling people around for a long while as long as there isn't a game in full production mode. [edit] I've been wondering if Bioware is going to stretch themselves thin with this new IP. But then when you consider that it might be a "live service" game, it sort of makes me wonder whether creating it was a command from on high to "join the live service market" so the studio justifies its existence outside of developing two major SP franchises that players have to wait years between. Just think: now that MEA is released, fans of Bioware SP games have nothing to do but wait. This is in addition to the fact that not all players of ME are fans of DA, and vice versa. So it will be even longer for those single franchise players. that's why we need more diversity in the market, its become even more pressing given BioWare's increasingly spotty record. None of their past 4 games have been universally acclaimed.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 13, 2017 2:23:47 GMT
Yeah, I agree Steelcan. We need more quality AAA RPG's out there if only so we can have a new game to negatively compare recent Bioware games too. Constantly singing the praises of Witcher 3 has gotten old.
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Post by Steelcan on May 13, 2017 2:25:50 GMT
Yeah, I agree Steelcan. We need more quality AAA RPG's out there if only so we can have a new game to negatively compare recent Bioware games too. Constantly singing the praises of Witcher 3 has gotten old. says you! I only just finished up all the DLC to it recently Why can't you make a character as good as Regis BioWare, why?
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Post by dgcatanisiri on May 13, 2017 2:28:52 GMT
Aw thanks. What's funny about Liam is that he was written by Lukas Kristjanson, one of the original Bioware writers. So even if we were to attribute inexperience from a lot of the Montreal staff and acknowledge leadership's portion of blame, I'm surprised Liam has been such a polarising character, as I don't think he's meant to be like Sera or Vivienne. He was supposed to be the default friend for Scott (though not the default romance for Sara interestingly). Writers can have hits and misses but overall I've felt Lukas' characters have been well written and deep, even if they weren't my favorites. So I wonder what happened there, if he didn't feel strongly about the character or game, if he was given a specific set of character traits to work within, or if he really committed to Liam's character and it just fell flat to a lot of people. I don't think Liam was badly written, he just doesn't work for me. Sera didn't work for me, either. He also wrote Carver Hawke and Avaline. I have the same issues with Carver as I have with Liam. However, Carver's are mitigated by his age. Avaline is "just okay" for me. Perhaps I just don't click with his type of character. I did quite like In Your Heart Shall Burn, though, especially as Corypheus's big introduction in DAI. Honestly, Kristjanson is my least favorite of BioWare's writers, despite considering Carver and Aveline two of my favorite characters. It feels like he has a particular type of character that he can write well, but when he gets out of his wheelbarrow, like with Jacob, Sera, or Liam, when he's writing a character who is of a minority or nuerodivergent, he ends up falling back on some unpleasant stereotypes. TBH, after I read an interview back in January where he talked about how he 'always thought of Kaidan as bi' back during ME1. Considering that no one seemed willing to fight for bisexual Kaidan, and he hasn't handled a gay or bi male character since, I kinda get the impression he's got some element of 'I have gay friends, I can't be homophobic!' that he needs to work through. Like, leave him with a non-romanceable character, he seems to get a solid character. But when they're romance options, or they're not cis-straight white people, he seems to have a lot of difficulty getting things right.
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Post by Sifr on May 13, 2017 2:43:57 GMT
well there is this.. its similar but not the same. maybe we can make one? Shouldn't Captain Marvel's be; "It'll happen eventually... thus giving me enough cause to lock you up until then"No, I'm never going to let her actions in Civil War II go!
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Post by Crim on May 13, 2017 2:49:07 GMT
Leaked footage of Bioware "improving" default Sara for 1.07 patch sauce@andraste cheers. :kiss:
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 13, 2017 2:49:34 GMT
Got to hand to Civil War II. It managed to be worse than the first Civil War comic. That's quite an accomplishment.
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