The Character Romance thread (Official)

Yeah, I agree, Meredith is a terrible person and she was always going to become a problem and things were already on the brink of war before Anders went full nuclear with the Chantry (which actually makes his action even less necessary because the conflict would likely have spilled over anyway, so he probably just killed a couple hundred innocent people for no reason). I just don't know why Meredith being bad gives Anders a free pass to set off a bomb in the city. Meredith being crazy is as little a justification for Anders being a violent extremist as Anders being a violent extremist is a good reason for Meredith to declare war on every mage in existence. These two things have certainly had influence on each other over the course of the years, but they are still two people making their own choices based on their own systems of morality. Unless we say Anders can't and he doesn't, because Justice has twisted him, but then Anders would just be an Abomination.

Actually, the Circle Mages Anders runs with if you don't romance him don't want him because Anders didn't ask them if they wanted to be fugitives, he just decided in his infinite wisdom that that was the best thing for all mages. That's what the decision on whether to approve of his actions is about, right? Whether you need to force everyone out in the streets and have a bloody catharsis of civil war whether people actually asked to fight or not, or whether a slow approach might work, too. I think there's arguments to be made for both sides, I can defend both sides, and I usually side with the mages. But what I was never able to do is defend Anders as a person.

That's one instance, though, and he will not leave your side either way, no matter how much disapproval you have with him, so he clearly doesn't feel that strongly about it (he can't, actually, because the game needs him to be alive). Also, it kind of makes sense because by that point the mages have started exploding into Abominations left and right and clearly can't be reasoned with anymore (see: Orsino). Varric always wants to keep as many people safe as possible, he really doesn't have much of a stake in the ideological conflict behind it. But I still don't understand what Varric has to do with this. As you yourself say, the game presents in great detail why the Circles don't work and that most Templars treat mages terribly, so some off-hand comment by Varric doesn't really define the whole theme of the games for me.

In DA2 I would have liked to not take a side. Between a order of addicts (for personal reasons, I have no simpaty in me for drug addicts) and people who sneeze and became crazy abominations... I vote for run away from this disaster of a town in a moment. I never felt Hawke had any reason to stay in Kirkwall after act 2, actually.

And I know I'm probably alone in this... but I never liked sarsastic Hawke. Never found her funny or charismatic. I felt she was just an idiot, and an arrogant and insensible one at that. I hoped she would feel more intresting than goody Hawke (my only other Hawke) but she was worse: she didn't only bore me as a character, she grated on my nerves too.

I was very happy to leave every Hawke in the fade in DAI. I think only once I choose to leave Stroud (I guess it was the name of the Orleian Warden if there is no Alistair or Loghain?) because that was the Hawke that romanced Fenris. As much as I disliked how monothematic companion felt to me in DA2, I really liked Fenris's romance.

Justice didn't twist Anders. Did you saw the real Anders in Awakening? He wanted this, trust me.

About the Circle Mages and the freedom: they are as children, they never had responsibility for themselves, so, of course, they are fear. But as Bethany said: new world incoming, the people must learn to live together with free mages.
There are slaves, who don't want to become free, because of they afraid of the freedom. But this fact doesn't make the rebellion against the slavery unnecessary...

Anders can leave Hawke, after Ella's quest. And later appear... just as Morrigan in DAO, if the Warden sends her away. 
About Varric: I just wanted to prove, that the writers aren't biased against the Templars.

The important thing for me is that BW doesn't invalidate my disdain for mages and magic and my support for circles and templars in upcoming games.

I did it... I finally caused the wank I wanted over Anders.

It's no problem if we doesn't agree. I already know my own opinion.
...and Fenris wants Anders to be dead/Tranquil (Fade, if Hawke deal with Sloth demon +5 approval). So: equal bullshit. So: don't play as an evil Hawke. I can deal with it. 
I don't interesting about the Archon moral shades. DA2 is better. I agree. Not a flawless game, bleeds from 1000 wounds, but still the best in many aspects.

Okay, but like you said, Anders is trying to free slaves from an oppressive institution, but at the same time giving a thumbs up to Fenris being enslaved. Fenris being a dick is one thing, Anders being a hypocrite in his stance on '' slavery '' is completely different.

Is complete garbage in DA? Yes it is. 
I like mages and magic, but BW fucked it all up for DA.

Found Divine Sith Lels pretty hot myself.

Softening her is better for her soul but, I really liked her ruthless side in my first run.

Anders? That character is a couple cans short of a six pack. Merging with a spirit. Like nothing bad is going to happen by doing that. Idiot. He thinks its a good idea to blow up a building with people in it. Kill the dirtbag. Its too bad Hawke couldn't ask if one of the companions wanted to kill the clown. Hmmm. How would he feel if he's made tranquil? Maybe when Bioware remakes DA2, that option will be put in.

Does that word have a different meaning in the States or something? Means something else entirely over here.