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Post by smilesja on Aug 24, 2017 23:14:18 GMT
And you know what irritates me the most? They change this but lets Hanzo keep his damn scatter arrow... because yeah, I love getting one-shot by that! It takes skill according to the pro gamers!
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Post by CrazyRah on Aug 24, 2017 23:33:46 GMT
Still absolutely love the D.Va changes, so pumped to get back to using her.
But good lord these Mercy changes are just.. damn dreadful. This is another Roadhog treatment. Taking the character through every slaughterhouse imaginable and what comes out on the other side is depressing and a shell of its former glory. Feel for Mercy players here because I know the pain.. it's not fun
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 24, 2017 23:45:13 GMT
Well, at least I won't get the usual "Why didn't you rez us Mercy? You're trash!" and now I'm going to use the ult to go full on flying battle-Mercy instead - apparently dps is the flavor of the month! Also, I hope people enjoy Pharmercy, because you can bet most Mercys are going to save their single-rez for her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 24, 2017 23:50:15 GMT
They are messing with 2 of my 3 mains with this update. I really hope the PTR players show a lot of resentment to these changes enough that Blizzard don't do it. Especially with Mercy, since at least the D.Va Defense Matrix nerf can have a good middle ground after playing with the numbers and her other additions can be fun.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 24, 2017 23:51:38 GMT
First no ME: A single player DLC, then this Mercy rework to please the pros and now the indecisiveness of what D.VA is supposed to be. Sigh. This year hasn't been good for me gaming-wise. Take the two things you mentioned, and add the Deus Ex franchise being put on hiatus indefinitely on top of that.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 25, 2017 0:12:14 GMT
The change to Mercy's ult is also a huge buff to Zarya - rezz used to be the only reliable counter, now there is no way Mercy is going to be able to out-heal the damage done during a graviton combo. The only counter that might be able to save them is Zenyatta, but if the combination is with a D.VA ult or a Doomfist ult then the team is screwed.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 25, 2017 0:13:18 GMT
The change to Mercy's ult is also a huge buff to Zarya - rezz used to be the only reliable counter, now there is no way Mercy is going to be able to out-heal the damage done during a graviton combo. The only counter that might be able to save them is Zenyatta, but if the combination is with a D.VA ult or a Doomfist ult then the team is screwed. Like i said appealing to The pros who constantly Mercy takes no skill.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 25, 2017 0:54:24 GMT
They better let Mercy be able to ult from spawn now at least - I'm going to need it to fly out and contest the point after the team is wholly wiped!
If they insist on keeping this new ult these are my suggested changes:
- Lower the duration to 14 seconds - Give her more ammo during her ult, but not infinite, say 50 (that is 30 more than she currently has) - Increase her healing/damage boost somewhat during her ult - Let her revive work on two targets rather than one during her ult and increase the range a bit more (she would then be able to rez a total of 4 people within about 10 seconds)
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Post by Lvca on Aug 25, 2017 1:50:23 GMT
So, nobody's commenting on the mystery heroes fix? Look pretty damn good.
Regarding the kits, I still have to play them on PTR but on paper D.Va is going to be a lot more annoying due to the huge burst potential, but she won't be able to negate as many ultimates as she could before (which was too good), seems like a tradeoff in that department while making her more fun to play. I don't play mercy so I can't compare, but at least it will eliminate the problem of mercy players that only go for huge rezzes but end up throwing.
However, I don't really understand where blizzard is going. They deleted Hog because he was unfun to play against but then they introduce dooomfist who is much worse. Scatter arrow is still a thing. D.Va now is still going to be rageinducing and is going back to her fat tracer state. Mercy i'm conflicted cause I didn't enjoy playing the character, but the changes make her dangerously close a completely different hero...
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Post by Duelist on Aug 25, 2017 2:18:33 GMT
I'm actually interested in the Mercy rework. It looks like the emphasis is going to be on tempo rezzes.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 25, 2017 8:29:57 GMT
Another thing I don't like about the ult is how easy it will be to negate it - Zen and Lucio are fully or partly protected during their ults (transcendence obviously makes Zen nearly imortal, and soundbarrier gives a ton of shields) and it enables them to stay alive and help the team. Mercy is one body-shot from Hanzo from dying during the full duration of her ult, and unlike Lucio the good of her ult ends as soon as she dies. My guess is a lot of Soldiers are going to save tac-visor for her ult and be able to clean house without any issue - Mercy can either stay and try to heal her team and die, or run/fly away and let the Soldier kill her team. What ult is she supposed to negate anyway now? Most ults deal too much burst damage for her to heal through (believe me, I have tried to save people from Soldier-, Reaper- and Hanzo ults, she can not sustain her team through it unless they are quick to kill the enemy). Mercy's ult can now also basically do the same as Orisa's; so much for ults being unique...
I still don't get the whole "rez is unfun" - I think it's pretty damn unfun to get a Reaper to jump down on my head and ult, but apparently when he hides and does that it takes more skill than Mercy doing the same...
Edit* They have now said they are going to nerf Mercy's pistol because most people thought it was better than the healing during her ult. Doesn't that tell you anything? And how am I supposed to have any chance in hell now to defend myself when I'm not ulting? I'm already easy prey to basically anyone that finds me alone as it is! I think it's pretty obvious that this change was not to benefit Mercy players, but the dps-players.
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Post by CrazyRah on Aug 25, 2017 9:09:14 GMT
They better let Mercy be able to ult from spawn now at least - I'm going to need it to fly out and contest the point after the team is wholly wiped! If they insist on keeping this new ult these are my suggested changes: - Lower the duration to 14 seconds - Give her more ammo during her ult, but not infinite, say 50 (that is 30 more than she currently has) - Increase her healing/damage boost somewhat during her ult- Let her revive work on two targets rather than one during her ult and increase the range a bit more (she would then be able to rez a total of 4 people within about 10 seconds) That is the suggestion I'm all about. The others are not bad by any means but this one would give Mercy players more utility and a good tool for important situations. Sweet for breaking hard defences etc
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Post by Lvca on Aug 25, 2017 11:38:21 GMT
Edit* They have now said they are going to nerf Mercy's pistol because most people thought it was better than the healing during her ult. Doesn't that tell you anything? And how am I supposed to have any chance in hell now to defend myself when I'm not ulting? I'm already easy prey to basically anyone that finds me alone as it is! I think it's pretty obvious that this change was not to benefit Mercy players, but the dps-players. They're only going to nerf it during ultimate, as it was heavily buffed ( dev post on blizz forums). Out-of-ultimate pistol remains the same as far as I know.
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Post by CrazyRah on Aug 25, 2017 11:50:32 GMT
This new Mercy in the right hands is also somewhat terrifying. So yeah during ultimate the weapon needs to be toned down a bit.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 25, 2017 17:23:50 GMT
Ugh, sorry for the spamming, but this is driving me crazy! I used to be a D.VA main, and when they nerfed her I was sad but at least she still felt like the same character. Mercy feels so different now, and obviously has to be played differently.
Couldn't they have given her flight as an E ability (with a duration of 5 seconds and a fairly long cooldown) and then made so that rez would revive anyone within Mercy's line of sight for 3 seconds? It would force the Mercy to plan her rez even more, in case people have died behind walls (the "big rezzes" would probably decrease a lot), but as a compensation she would have an ability to escape flankers (just make the flying slightly slower).
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Post by Duelist on Aug 25, 2017 22:41:28 GMT
Hey least Mercy will still be good. Roadhog meanwhile...
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 25, 2017 22:45:48 GMT
Duelist Her base kit is mostly the same I guess, although I fear I will die a lot trying to solo rez someone. I just feel that her ultimate is so... meh. I mean, yay for flying, but other than that she's doing basically what she's always been doing, and I can't use her to counter any ultimates aside from possibly Orisa's ult. I think I might go back to maining D.VA instead - one good thing is that then at least I can protect myself and not get a stroke every time people abandon me to a flanker.
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Post by Duelist on Aug 26, 2017 5:51:51 GMT
Her current ult is a lesser Supercharger and Transcendence all rolled into one with the addition of being able to kill people if she chooses to.
If anything, it's going to make her and Reaper the perfect duo for Assault maps.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 26, 2017 6:24:18 GMT
Making Mercy into DPS and betraying her character? Thanks, Pros!
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Post by Duelist on Aug 26, 2017 7:12:57 GMT
It was more the complaints from idiots who didn't want to hunt down Mercy first than pros probably.
Hell, it was probably the same idiots who kept dying to Roadhog's hook.
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Post by Melra on Aug 26, 2017 13:04:02 GMT
Hurray, they finally make Mercy play far less of a one trick pony. Now if they took care of the griefers and trolls the game would be in a good place.
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Post by CrazyRah on Aug 26, 2017 16:06:30 GMT
It was more the complaints from idiots who didn't want to hunt down Mercy first than pros probably. Hell, it was probably the same idiots who kept dying to Roadhog's hook. Yupp! The ones to blame if one want to blame anyone are the lazy asses that expect everyone to do everything for them and are just not willing.. or able to do their part. In this case killing Mercy before the decent Mercy player do what she was designed to do. RIP Roadhog
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Post by Lvca on Aug 26, 2017 17:12:51 GMT
Hurray, they finally make Mercy play far less of a one trick pony. Now if they took care of the griefers and trolls the game would be in a good place. New reporting system should take core of those, and it's supposed to be working already. Upcoming changes to the MMR system should also take case of OTPs. Hopefully next season will be good to play.
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Post by Melra on Aug 26, 2017 19:38:25 GMT
Hurray, they finally make Mercy play far less of a one trick pony. Now if they took care of the griefers and trolls the game would be in a good place. New reporting system should take core of those, and it's supposed to be working already. Upcoming changes to the MMR system should also take case of OTPs. Hopefully next season will be good to play. I wont hold my breath, reporting and getting rid of them all would cause Blizz to lose quite a few paying customers. If LoL can't take care of their trolls and wankers, can't see Overwatch faring that much better. Removing Avoid feature completely instead of simply making it usable on teammates and such, was a mistake. The problems have been brought up for over a year, yet no decisive action has been taken and things have only gotten worse.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 26, 2017 21:28:57 GMT
If they are going to change Mercy a lot they might just as well get rid of the damage boost - I use the healing beam a lot more anyway, it's situational, and it somehow feels more passive than the healing (at least when you heal someone you can see how you are saving their lives, with damage boost you can't really tell how much good it's doing). I would prefer to instead get the ability to launch straight up into the air, similar to Pharah's rocket jump, and have it have a small knockback effect - it would be hilarious to use it to get some kills by booping people, and it would give Mercy the ability to reach teammates that are located high up but doesn't come to the edge. They can give it a fairly long cooldown, like 15 seconds, if people feel that it would make her op.
I also think that her healing when ulting should be increased the fewer targets her beam reaches, that way she can also use it to support a teammate like Genji with massive healing when he is ulting. I would gladly exchange 10 seconds of valkyrie for a more effective ult!
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