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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 20, 2017 0:50:57 GMT
To feed the Bastion? To punish Bastions who pull that ish...or do my idiot Genjis job better than him. Hmm, then I've yet to experience a skilled Flankhog.
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Post by Duelist on Sept 20, 2017 1:15:03 GMT
To punish Bastions who pull that ish...or do my idiot Genjis job better than him. Hmm, then I've yet to experience a skilled Flankhog. There's only a few maps where it's really good, on most maps it really isn't worth trying.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 20, 2017 17:38:51 GMT
Got my first PotG as new Mercy; it wasn't all exciting to watch to be honest. My verdict so far is that new Mercy is more engaging to play, and I don't worry so much about team wiping ults anymore because I know I can't do anything about them really. It's fun to fly around, and I feel that they have both lowered her skill floor and increased her skill cap at the same time. They do need to do something about the rez icon - sometimes I get too close, and the rezz won't go off, which means I have to dance around the corpse and most likely die. They should make it aoe instead, although I do realize that will cause issues when corpses are grouped close together. I would like a one second invulnerabilty - rezzing is often a suicide mission unless they died grouped up with the rest of the team.
In a sense I think this new Mercy is going to annoy people more than the old Mercy. I think a better idea than having rez as an ability would be to give Mercy a stack of up to 4 rezzes that she can use when she activates valkyrie, no cooldown - she would then still be able to counter ults but would need to actually go out into the battlefield to do so. There's a risk that the "hiding" some people claim was prevalent would come back, but at least you can shoot down Mercy while she is rezzing.
And for the people who says Mercy is so easy - I've seen some pretty bad play today, particularly from people who seem unaware of the damage nerf. They tend to switch after a while when they realize they have even less chance of 1v6 as Mercy.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 20, 2017 18:11:24 GMT
Some of the people who criticized Mercy came across as pretty sexist, to be honest.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 20, 2017 18:56:22 GMT
Jesus, some people can be asses - I played against a team who obviously also had a Mercy, we won. The next match I was in the same team as the other team's Mercy, but I managed to pick her first. S/he then proceeded to throw the game by picking Rein and walking to the enemy spawn. The worst part was how they spammed "I need healing", and when I flew over there was greeted by a Widow aiming at my head. Needles to say we did not win that game.
Look, I get that it sucks when someone else takes the character you wanna play (happened to me all day) but throwing and trying to sabotage, even i qp, is just such a pathetic thing to do.
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Post by Duelist on Sept 20, 2017 23:17:14 GMT
A few things I'm noticing with the new Mercy:
- Fights take longer now thanks to Res and Valkyrie - Too many people ignore the fact that her ultimate is Transcendence and Supercharger rolled in to one and shoot enemies instead - Triple Tank plus Mercy is fucking nuts
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 22, 2017 20:14:36 GMT
The new Mercy can be utterly ridiculous at times - my friend and I was playing qp (defense King's Row) and he was playing Junkrat. The team had a Pharah, so when he died he was like "Oh, they have Pharah so I'll change to Soldier". Naturally I rezzed him, and he was like "Okay, I guess I can play Junkrat a bit more", after a little while he died to Pharah again, he proceeded to switch hero and of course I rezzed him. Now he was starting to become a little annoyed with me. After a while he died again, he tried to pick Soldier... and I rezzed him. The fourth time I did this he screamed to me "FOR GOD'S SAKE WOMAN, WHY WON'T YOU LET ME DIE?!". You may wonder why I was this cruel to him - he abused a bug in Destiny 2 that revived me, only for me to fall to my death. He did this 20 times. Payback is a bitch. Also, I do have a bit of a sadistic streak...
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Post by Duelist on Sept 22, 2017 22:32:43 GMT
So I've had a weird string of games where I end up having to take up a DPS role because our team consists of mostly support mains and me, one of the few tank mains. It's a definite change from having four idiots instalock DPS but watching people who don't play tanks trying to tank is triggering as fuck.
It also makes me wish that people who main the same role weren't able to queue together.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 22, 2017 22:51:47 GMT
Duelist I was in a comp game with two other Mercy mains once... I do wish the system at least could take into consideration whether you tend to main a specific class or not and pair you with people who main the others. Then again, being forced to make a pathetic attempt to dps in comp is a good reminder that I need to practice this role more in qp.
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Post by Duelist on Sept 23, 2017 22:23:52 GMT
It's as bad as getting 4 idiots who instalock DPS and do fuck all.
I can play a good, sometimes great, Reaper and even a decent Sombra but the former doesn't work on a lot of maps and the latter can be made useless if your own team doesn't play around her.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 23, 2017 22:31:29 GMT
It's DPS meta now.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 23, 2017 23:30:16 GMT
Ugh, I wrote a long post on how you (from my experience) can best counter Mercy now, but of course the site had to crash just as I was posting... In other news, I got 27 resurections in one qp game today. That's a bit above my previous average...
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Post by smilesja on Sept 23, 2017 23:32:12 GMT
Ugh, I wrote a long post on how you (from my experience) can best counter Mercy now, but of course the site had to crash just as I was posting... In other news, I got 27 resurections in one qp game today. That's a bit above my previous average... Re write it please!
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Post by Duelist on Sept 24, 2017 1:43:49 GMT
It's DPS meta now. No just idiots being idiots. Every now and then though, I come across a DPS main in a Reinhardt vs Reinhardt and I take a shit on them. So satisfying.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 24, 2017 14:27:25 GMT
Ugh, I wrote a long post on how you (from my experience) can best counter Mercy now, but of course the site had to crash just as I was posting... Re write it please! Okay, but I expect cookies for betraying my fellow Mercy mains! So, the one thing to realize is that the skill cap for Mercy has been upped, which means you will be able to see more differences in how Mercys play. Now, with regards to healing/damage boosting she is still the same - a good Mercy will continue to utilize corners and use the delay before the beam breaks. It is when and how they rez and use their ults that is going to be the most telling whether or not the Mercy is experienced or not. I noticed quickly that people who play very little support tend to use the rez as soon as it is ready on the first available dead teammate. Rezzing now is, however, not something you can do without due consideration - depending on the location of the body you might be forced to either 1) fly into enemy territory or 2) expose yourself to enemy fire. The most common thing I see is for a Genji or Tracer to overextend, and when they die they spam "I need healing", probably hoping to be rezzed - personally, I refuse to rez people out of position unless the situation is very dire and they have an ult. Therefore, what you can do is that after every kill confirmed keep a look-out and see if the Mercy is flying in to get the rez, and have your aim directed close to the body (she basically has to touch them now). With a bit of luck you can get a kill on both the Mercy and the newly revived person. Also, when a person is revived they glow, and as Mercy is so close she tends to get a bit blinded for a second. Use this moment to fire in her direction, the bullets will pass through the revived teammate and hit her instead. Here are more specific tips for some characters: Soldier - He is the one who tends to make Mercy playing the hardest right now. Why? His ult always shuts down an ulting Mercy unless she is very close to a corner. I played against a skilled Soldier who always used his ult on me this way, it was very hard to deal with. Also, his missiles are great at firing on the Mercy flying to the corpse to rez. Widow - As soon as a Widow notices someone on the other team is dead she can line up the shot and just wait. She will either get one or two kills, or if the Mercy is aware of the Widow she will have prevented the rez. A skilled Widow can also completely shoot down an ulting Mercy (happened to me one game, I ended up ulting and hiding behind corners and not getting a chance to actually heal people properly). McCree - Wait by the corpse with flashbang ready; this is especially effective when enemies have died around corners. Also, his ult will completely annihilate Mercy if she is in the air. Genji - Aside from being able to kill her the usual way (shuriken-dash-shuriken-melee) his ult can actually kill Mercy if he is quick. Many Mercy players panic ult when they hear Genji ulting close to them, but her flight is not quick enough to get away from him if he dashes up and swipes at her (her ult animation is about a second long, she can't use GA during it). Just make sure you are close enough when doing this, otherwise you will have an impossible job trying to reach her. D.VA - Now that D.VA can fly and shoot missiles she is actually one of the better characters to go after a Mercy who is up in the sky. It's tricky though, so you will need help from others on the ground. D.VA's ult is actually quite good at taking down a flying Mercy; sometimes you have time to escape behind a building, but if the D.VA thows the bomb when she activates her ult the Mercy has lost one second of her available time to escape. D.VA is a soft counter though, and not the first one I would recommend. Hanzo - Just have your scatter ready and profit when she comes in for the rez. If you are lucky you might even get a pot-shot on her during her ult and kill her. Sombra - One of the more annoying ones for Mercy; she might not always kill you, but she will thwart your attempt to rez a vital teammate. Keep Mercy hacked as often as possible and use your ult when she ults; Mercy can still heal, but not rez and not GA, making her a considerably easier target to hit. Sombra is also good at taking Mercy out in general, and I've met amazing Sombras who has made me want to rip my hair out! Torbjörn - Suprised? That pesky turret is really annoying and puts out more damage than Mercy can self-heal during her ult, and his ult will make it impossible for Mercy to utilze her ult at all. There have been times where I rez, use my ult to rez someone else, only to hear the little dwarf cry "Molten Core!" and force me to retreat without rezzing the intended person. Naturally Torbjörn works best on defense or when trying to hinder the Mercy from getting a foothold on the objective. Zenyatta - Discord orb is a bane when flying around, and in combination with a Soldier or McCree will make Mercy very vulnerable. Roadhog - What Roadhog can do is more indirect; he pulls the enemies to his own team, forcing the Mercy to decide whether she is willing to risk the rez or not. If she does, Roadhog can fairly easily kill her with his alt fire. The range of his hook is also pretty long, and a good Hog can hook Mercy while in the air and pull her down for the team to finish off. Junkrat - Okay, very soft counter, but if you want to be a troll you can put down your bear trap on the corpses and see how many birds you catch. Happened to me once, and I felt mightily stupid! Other than these tips it is mostly the same as it has always been; harass her with flankers like Genji and Tracer, let the gorilla fry her every opportunity he gets, make her frustrated and prone to mistakes or whipping out her gun (a Mercy who is using her gun isn't healing). And when she ults, everyone should focus fire her like you should do with all powerful ults (Genji, Soldier, Pharah). You will be surprised how fast she will either be killed or forced to flee. It's still early days, and I'm re-learning to play Mercy myself, but these are the tips I have for now. Might update them as I experience her more.
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Post by Duelist on Sept 26, 2017 18:17:53 GMT
Kicked some serious ass on King's Row playing as Mei after starting as Reinhardt until I realised the Zarya with me was a fuckwit.
Without trying to brag, I forget how good my Mei is sometimes and how awesome she is on King's Row.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 26, 2017 21:23:07 GMT
I wish they would give Mei some much needed love, her ult isn't that great and she is very situational. I mostly pick her to stall the point or if there's a D.VA that needs to be taken down (granted, Zarya or Reaper would be better for that but I'm really not good with them).
Ana definitely needs some love too, especially on console. Played her for one round of comp due to a teammate asking me to (still smarting a bit from the ass that told me to never play her again), it went well but only because we had a Mercy on our team to help me heal. I think she should have more ammo, a bit more damage, and they should make her sleep dart projectile a bit faster (on console they are pretty hard to land, especially when you most need to). I also think they should give back some of the speed boost to her nano to make it a bit more potent, as it is now I feel that giving it to some characters is just a waste.
But, most importantly, we need more dedicated healers. I don't want to feel like I always have to play Mercy if I want good healing output.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 26, 2017 22:30:51 GMT
I wish they would give Mei some much needed love, her ult isn't that great and she is very situational. I mostly pick her to stall the point or if there's a D.VA that needs to be taken down (granted, Zarya or Reaper would be better for that but I'm really not good with them). Ana definitely needs some love too, especially on console. Played her for one round of comp due to a teammate asking me to (still smarting a bit from the ass that told me to never play her again), it went well but only because we had a Mercy on our team to help me heal. I think she should have more ammo, a bit more damage, and they should make her sleep dart projectile a bit faster (on console they are pretty hard to land, especially when you most need to). I also think they should give back some of the speed boost to her nano to make it a bit more potent, as it is now I feel that giving it to some characters is just a waste. But, most importantly, we need more dedicated healers. I don't want to feel like I always have to play Mercy if I want good healing output. Mei is the most versatile of the Defense heroes. I think she's fine, however more dedicated healers is a must.
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Post by Duelist on Sept 26, 2017 23:10:59 GMT
I wish they would give Mei some much needed love, her ult isn't that great and she is very situational. I mostly pick her to stall the point or if there's a D.VA that needs to be taken down (granted, Zarya or Reaper would be better for that but I'm really not good with them). As much as I love Mei, Defence Heroes in general are situational Her ult is fine though, it's mostly for discouraging people from contesting the point. Do you want Reaper murdering your team? Because that's how you end up with Reaper murdering your team. As much as I'd like another dedicated healer, I think more than anything we need an off healer who can contest Lucio. Of the healers he's the only one who can peel for his team.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 26, 2017 23:19:09 GMT
Forget Reaper, Reindhart was a huge problem. The speedboost combined with the enhanced speed and strength made him practically invincible.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 27, 2017 0:17:14 GMT
Hey, I said some of the speed, not all of it! If they increase the speed 15-20% it wouldn't be that bad I think, then again I kinda wish they would scrap nano completely and give her something more defensive.
As for Mei's ult, I do find it weird that Zarya's ult, which was already strong, was buffed but Mei's was left completely untouched. Blizzard suffers from the same issue graviton had; it's too easy to escape. For sure, it will clear the point, but the ult really is too short to really have an effect.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 27, 2017 0:19:22 GMT
Mei's buff is fine, It's already annoying as it is, leave it untouched! Besides I believe Mei's ultimate covers more ground than Zarya's.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 27, 2017 0:47:10 GMT
Well, at least they should make it so Mei can freeze the ground as she walks and "skate" to the objective faster!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 27, 2017 1:40:34 GMT
Speaking as a completely objective third party outsider with absolutely no personal interest in the matter, I think they should buff Mei.
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