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Post by smilesja on Oct 4, 2017 23:57:22 GMT
The community really needs to stop whining and get good. Otherwise, Overwatch will remain unbalanced and awkward. It won't happen. I started playing Overwatch, despite not being too fond of fps-games, because I liked how all characters were special and that mechanical aim wasn't a requirement to contribute to the team. Now it feels like they are catering to the streamers and the "general" fps-player; they want fast and flashy fights with team wipes. Where do supports really fit in here? Since the Mercy rework I've had one PotG, and it's not because I've done bad ults, but because the game values kills more than support. I can't even tank anymore because the new D.VA is more a offense character than defense nowadays, what does she even tank? Genji's deflect is better at countering damage than her DM. I've really loved this game, but I have a feeling that if this is the direction they want to go then I will probably want to go. I think part of the appeal of Overwatch was that it attracted people who weren't into FPS. Now that they seem to want appeal to guys like Seagull, this may turn into a COD/Battlefield gaame.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Oct 5, 2017 2:07:09 GMT
The community really needs to stop whining and get good. Otherwise, Overwatch will remain unbalanced and awkward. It won't happen. I started playing Overwatch, despite not being too fond of fps-games, because I liked how all characters were special and that mechanical aim wasn't a requirement to contribute to the team. Now it feels like they are catering to the streamers and the "general" fps-player; they want fast and flashy fights with team wipes. Where do supports really fit in here? Since the Mercy rework I've had one PotG, and it's not because I've done bad ults, but because the game values kills more than support. I can't even tank anymore because the new D.VA is more a offense character than defense nowadays, what does she even tank? Genji's deflect is better at countering damage than her DM. I've really loved this game, but I have a feeling that if this is the direction they want to go then I will probably want to go. There's two fundamental reasons for this: 1. Tanks are garbage at tanking for any significant duration. Examples: Rein can't peel against flankers, and snipers can eventually whittle his shield down. Orisa can't protect against people just walking through her shield and murdering her. Zarya only has 400 HP and her barrier takes a million years to get off cooldown. Hog has no barrier. Winston is completely helpless against high burst damage that shuts down his bubble. And so on. 2. High burst damage is the only way to shut down supports, because without it, they will outheal or ult any damage/picks you generate. Dive regained momentum during S4 as an answer to Ana's burst healing. How do you break a team with Ana? Shut down Ana's heals ASAP. With the old Mercy, teamwipes were unreliable because Mercy could just rez them if you didn't focus her down first, again necessitating high burst damage. With the new Mercy, you need quick picks to force an early rez so that it's on cooldown before the teamfight properly gets underway; her quick-charging Valkyrie makes her a ticking time bomb who will undo all your effort if you don't stop her quickly. It won't happen. I started playing Overwatch, despite not being too fond of fps-games, because I liked how all characters were special and that mechanical aim wasn't a requirement to contribute to the team. Now it feels like they are catering to the streamers and the "general" fps-player; they want fast and flashy fights with team wipes. Where do supports really fit in here? Since the Mercy rework I've had one PotG, and it's not because I've done bad ults, but because the game values kills more than support. I can't even tank anymore because the new D.VA is more a offense character than defense nowadays, what does she even tank? Genji's deflect is better at countering damage than her DM. I've really loved this game, but I have a feeling that if this is the direction they want to go then I will probably want to go. I think part of the appeal of Overwatch was that it attracted people who weren't into FPS. Now that they seem to want appeal to guys like Seagull, this may turn into a COD/Battlefield gaame. The rise of Junkrat and Mercy is a pretty clear sign that the devs want the game to appeal to as casual an audience as possible. Want to see this game turn into a festival of pros? You'd see them balancing competitive around heroes like Widow, McCree, Ana, Sombra, Tracer and Zarya. Heroes who are much more reliant on some mix of mechanical skill, situational awareness and teamwork.
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Post by Duelist on Oct 5, 2017 2:27:54 GMT
The game always has and always will be unbalanced and it's usually down to the supports and tanks.
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Post by Draining Dragon on Oct 5, 2017 5:11:09 GMT
I'm seriously beginning to question if the people in charge of balance even play Overwatch... I agree Mercy is rather OP in her current state, but this impending nerf is way over the top. They should have just left her the way she was before.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 5, 2017 5:13:43 GMT
It's a rumor. Besides they really need to ignore the community sometimes, It can be obvious it's an overreaction by the Youtubers and streamers.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 5, 2017 5:19:57 GMT
It's a rumor. Besides they really need to ignore the community sometimes, It can be obvious it's an overreaction by the Youtubers and streamers. Of course they'll never admit it. Already we see some of them who proposed this exact kind of nerf saying that Blizzard is being too harsh once they saw their viewers hate the change.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 5, 2017 5:28:26 GMT
It's a rumor. Besides they really need to ignore the community sometimes, It can be obvious it's an overreaction by the Youtubers and streamers. Of course they'll never admit it. Already we see some of them who proposed this exact kind of nerf saying that Blizzard is being too harsh once they saw their viewers hate the change. Blizzard needs to allow this change to last at least 1 or 2 competitive seasons. If they keep nerfing characters on a whim, it's going to be hard for players to adjust to them especially mid-season.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 5, 2017 8:58:09 GMT
What annoys me the most is that the nerf is to the aspect of Mercy that defines her - it's like changing Dragonblade or Reinhardt's shield. What's causing most of the problems is the fact that they made something powerful (rez) an ability when it should be an ultimate. Either keep Mercy as she is and give her a stack of 3-4 rezzes when she ults or revert her. I know a lot of people think that rezzing doesn't belong in a game and is "unfair", but resurrection is not an uncommon ability if you look beyond CoD. Also, why is rezzing more unfun than a Dragonblade to the face (which they buffed btw)? Because as a support I get ulted, sometimes solo-ulted, all the time. Without rez in her ult, what is her ult? I fly up in the air until I'm killed by a High Noon, Tac-Visor or random Hanzo arrow and give my usual 60 hp/second healing but to everyone in a group. Wow, so much fun, such thrill!
Rez is just a gimmick now... "Heroes never die", yeah right...
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Post by smilesja on Oct 5, 2017 15:43:22 GMT
Why don’t they rework Hanzo? His scatter arrow needs a rework.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 5, 2017 15:47:33 GMT
Why don’t they rework Hanzo? His scatter arrow needs a rework. Because apparently when Mercy needs 30 seconds and getting neck-deep into enemy territory it's unfair, but when Hanzo can do the reverse from the other side of the map on an 8 second cooldown it's balanced. Not to mention that Doomfist is supposed to be able to do it on a 4 second cooldown (although he at least has to be in the thick of it as well).
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Post by smilesja on Oct 5, 2017 15:51:50 GMT
Blizzard has no idea what they want from Mercy. This change will make her unplayable since she has no identity.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 5, 2017 16:01:24 GMT
Blizzard has no idea what they want from Mercy. This change will make her unplayable since she has no identity. It will not make her unplayable, she is essentially what she always was - a reliable solo-healer. But they have taken away a lot of fun and strategy, not to mention that she's lost a lot of her identity. I predict that Mercy's pick-rate will continue to be virtually the same because Ana is still not as viable. Why do people pick Mercy? Partly because of the rez, but mostly because in a team where all players have mostly played dps she is the easiest to pick up (although I do not doubt there are a lot of Mercy mains playing the game, I do doubt they are every sixth player). We could only ever really determine whether or not Mercy had an off pick-rate if we had a third main healer, but I'm not holding my breath for that one.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Oct 5, 2017 18:25:15 GMT
Why don’t they rework Hanzo? His scatter arrow needs a rework. Hanzo in general needs a rework. Scatter is a crutch for one of the lowest-winrate heroes in the entire game. Almost all of his counters are popular DPS picks, leaving him as a relatively weak one-trick pony.
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Post by Draining Dragon on Oct 5, 2017 21:04:54 GMT
I feel like Blizzard is prioritizing DPS players over tank and support players, which is unfortunate for me because I main tank and support. Notice that the two abilities which were arguably the most effective at countering DPS ults (Defensive Matrix and Resurrect) have gotten nerfed into the ground.
It doesn't help that over 50% of the roster is DPS focused, while tanks have only 6 options and healers have only 4 (and of those 4, only 2 are reliable as primary healers). I'm going to rage if the next hero they announce isn't a healer.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 5, 2017 22:18:44 GMT
I feel like Blizzard is prioritizing DPS players over tank and support players, which is unfortunate for me because I main tank and support. Notice that the two abilities which were arguably the most effective at countering DPS ults (Defensive Matrix and Resurrect) have gotten nerfed into the ground. It doesn't help that over 50% of the roster is DPS focused, while tanks have only 6 options and healers have only 4 (and of those 4, only 2 are reliable as primary healers). I'm going to rage if the next hero they announce isn't a healer. It’s like they’re trying to be like COD. Why should I play a watered down version of COD when I can play COD itself or maybe Battlefront?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 6, 2017 0:31:54 GMT
I feel like Blizzard is prioritizing DPS players over tank and support players, which is unfortunate for me because I main tank and support. Notice that the two abilities which were arguably the most effective at countering DPS ults (Defensive Matrix and Resurrect) have gotten nerfed into the ground. It doesn't help that over 50% of the roster is DPS focused, while tanks have only 6 options and healers have only 4 (and of those 4, only 2 are reliable as primary healers). I'm going to rage if the next hero they announce isn't a healer. It’s like they’re trying to be like COD. Why should I play a watered down version of COD when I can play COD itself or maybe Battlefront? Speaking of, I've been playing the beta and Star Wars Battlefront 2 is really fun.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 6, 2017 0:34:03 GMT
It’s like they’re trying to be like COD. Why should I play a watered down version of COD when I can play COD itself or maybe Battlefront? Speaking of, I've been playing the beta and Star Wars Battlefront 2 is really fun. Time for you maybe move there?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 6, 2017 0:38:31 GMT
Speaking of, I've been playing the beta and Star Wars Battlefront 2 is really fun. Time for you maybe move there? There's room for both. And Halo of course.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 6, 2017 0:42:39 GMT
Time for you maybe move there? There's room for both. And Halo of course. Wanna play Halo 5 sometime? My gamertag is: Smiley0811
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 6, 2017 17:05:03 GMT
Hmmm, my experience is that what is "tried" on the ptr usually eventually goes to live, but I guess we will see...
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Post by smilesja on Oct 6, 2017 17:06:54 GMT
Hmmm, my experience is that what is "tried" on the ptr usually eventually goes to live, but I guess we will see... It probably will go in out of spite since The mercy changes caused an uproar.
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Post by Duelist on Oct 6, 2017 23:03:28 GMT
Hmmm, my experience is that what is "tried" on the ptr usually eventually goes to live, but I guess we will see... Everyone who played PTR complained that Sniper McCree was too strong and the Nerfhog was too weak but that shit still went through.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 6, 2017 23:34:27 GMT
Duelist Yes, same with ironclad Bastion. It would be nice if it turned out they've learned their lesson, but I doubt that. I think they use the ptr more as a way of easing in their intended changes rather than actual play-testing. I will never understand why they insist on keeping rez as an ability, if they have to keep it at least make it resource-based so good Mercys can earn it.
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