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Post by Pokemario on Feb 18, 2017 20:59:09 GMT
So, I recently finished DAO again and it was nice seeing how the choices I made have changed over the years. I'm curious about how you/your Warden dealt with the Archdemon in your main World State.
I personally let Loghain kill the beast.
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Post by Domakir on Feb 18, 2017 21:06:27 GMT
Loghain killed the Archdemon.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 18, 2017 21:08:06 GMT
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Post by oyabun on Feb 18, 2017 21:32:52 GMT
My first choice was to kill the warden via US because I wanted to see the protagonist Die.It was a Gameplay curiosity I wanted to fulfill since it was never offered to me(like literally never) in any game that I've played to being able to kill the protagonist.
Then an incredible amount of problems begun with the US mostly related to DAA when this warden was resurrected from the dead for no reason.
Then I opted for the Redemption ending and I have to say that it has all the benefits of the US without the DAA related issues.
But the problem is that in DAI the warden is completly gone like if they are dead.....so I think in retrospect the US for DAI makes the most sense.
The DR never made sense to me,from it's introduction to it's resolution. It was literally destroyed as a plot point by the writers sign that they never cared that much for that ending.
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 18, 2017 21:38:49 GMT
I always let Loghain make the sacrifice as Cousland, but as a human mage I made the US. So my canon ending and the one that has been in my world state since 2014 is, Loghain making the sacrifice.
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Post by Kei on Feb 18, 2017 21:42:25 GMT
The L man did that for me. I have one less "God" to worry about and if it wasn't for her plot armor I would have sent to hell Morrigan as well by murdering her on the spot at Redclieffe. I punished her in WH,those who dare to insult me or my choices will pay with their own blood.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Feb 18, 2017 21:58:26 GMT
I have to agree with oyabun,it seem the devs don't care about the warden anymore,so keep it "alive" in the bermuda Triangles is no different than the character being dead.
God job BioWare different choices same outcomes.
I'm fine with All the endings of the game so long that they are not the Morrigan's ritual. Only Mike Laidlaw know how much I hate that witch and the false gods of ancient Tevinter,on the pyre that is the right place for the witches and the old gods underground in the deep roads not running around free in Thedas.
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Post by akiza on Feb 18, 2017 22:08:12 GMT
The warden I had was mostly emotionless and only focused on her goal to kill Urthemiel. There simply cannot be any mercy from my part towards the old gods nor for those who want to save them. I sincerely hope Morrigan understood the lesson and if she didn't.....well I still have the murderknife.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 18, 2017 22:28:40 GMT
My canon Warden let Loghain kill him. She wasn't going to let Morrigan preserve the Archdemon's life, and she had developed a bit of a death wish/martyr complex anyway, so she was fully ready to pay the price to ensure it was destroyed. However, Loghain's plea for a meaningful death really hit her hard. At that point, she simply wanted to throw her life away to end the Blight. So she acquiesced to his wishes and let him strike the final blow.
Also, in a meta-sense, I almost never do US Wardens, because their world states can't be carried over to Awakening. Of my 8 different Wardens coming from completed playthroughs or intended future ones (including the primary canon one above) : Sacrificed Loghain - 4 times Dark Ritual, Alistair/Morrigan - 2 times Dark Ritual, Warden/Morrigan - 1 time Ultimate Sacrifice - 1 time
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 18, 2017 22:37:57 GMT
But the problem is that in DAI the warden is completly gone like if they are dead.....so I think in retrospect the US for DAI makes the most sense. Personally, I think DAI handled a living Warden almost as well as could have been done. Bringing the Warden back was never going to be practical, so coming up with an excuse for why s/he wouldn't be involved was mostly fine, although IMO, that excuse should have been less specific than it was. All I hope from DA4 is that it goes "The Warden finished that mission, and is now out adventuring. Somewhere. If you want to know more, write a fanfic. S/he's your Warden after all."
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 19, 2017 0:10:31 GMT
Did Morrigan's Ritual
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Post by Prince on Feb 19, 2017 6:25:42 GMT
But the problem is that in DAI the warden is completly gone like if they are dead.....so I think in retrospect the US for DAI makes the most sense. All I hope from DA4 is that it goes "The Warden finished that mission, and is now out adventuring. Somewhere. If you want to know more, write a fanfic. S/he's your Warden after all." That's assuming Weekes will not kill them all via the calling in DA4 thus reconciliate all the endings in the same outcomes..... We won't be seeing our Wardens again either way, even if yours is still alive, and the soul has fizzled out into nothing(or maybe I'm wrong and they just send it to Solas). Notice how they learned their lesson from DAO - DA2 and DAI, for all the inner branching they do, eventually funnel back into a single ending (or with variations so vague and generic that they can be easily handwaved), and neither offer the promise of some major change that can only be addressed again in the future by taking This Very Specific Optional Path. That's the only reason as for why the ritual was almost nullified(*still doubts for Solas*) and didn't had negative consequences yet however I cannot use such metagameplay reasons to justify the DR.
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Post by Aren on Feb 19, 2017 6:52:41 GMT
I have no interest into being part of Morrigan' sins. Don't overstand the severity of my Warden's pride. He defeated a god. By himself. The DR-players needed some ancient ritual with others,and they didn't even killed the thing,my warden is more badass!!
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Feb 19, 2017 7:08:19 GMT
Ha Ha that was funny. But seriously I hate that the warden didn't had a voice and that was forced to bear her rants in Redclieffe in silence for all those who refused her.....
I wanted to say what Hawke said to Janeka here.
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Post by secretrare on Feb 19, 2017 9:44:21 GMT
Lately I'm leaning more to the side of the Ultimate Sacrifice for these reasons:
-I don't really need a character that I will never be able to see again to be alive since even if they are dead it changes nothing to me they are simply out of the franchise. -I don't really need a character that doesn't obey to me but rather it does whatever the writers tell her to do (see in DAI how it went to cure the calling because the writers said so instead to do whatever I wanted for her to do,or in DAA when she become GW commander no matter what.)
As for these Urthemiel's fate I think one has to be pretty selfish to save it at the cost of gambling the world and I'm sure that the whole thing will never be addressed ever again because Weekes doesn't care about it,with all the stuff he has to create and write I don't see him bother with any plot point abandoned by Gaider.
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Post by mike3207 on Feb 19, 2017 19:00:49 GMT
I do a combination of making the deal with Morrigan, and letting Loghain sacrifice himself.
I almost never do the Ultimate Sacrifice.
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Post by fylimar on Feb 19, 2017 19:09:33 GMT
I did all choices at one point, but mostly the Dark Ritual. I mean, there must be a reason for Morrigan to be there other than annoying everyone. So I mostly let her fuck Alistair or Loghain and be done with it. A more serious explanation: My characters are mostly rogues, so they don't do sacrifices, unless there is absolute no other way. And if someone from your group offers another way, they tend to take it.
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Post by davesin on Feb 19, 2017 20:45:49 GMT
Well, my current canon is to let Alistair kill the Archdemon. I recently started a new game of DA trilogy and... Morrigan is sometimes so chaotic/evil stupid that I really cannot let her to get archdemon's soul. Besides, I was babysitting half of my crew during the whole game (except for Sten... surprisingly!), I think one of those blockes can return a favor. It also saves me from Warden Alistair - Hawke dilemma and king Alistair. Works for me!
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Feb 19, 2017 21:08:04 GMT
this warden was resurrected from the dead for no reason. There is nothing better than die killing an Archdemon only to be later resurrected from the dead,It makes me feel more than just "the Hero of Ferelden" The Jesus of Thedas.Come to think of it Sacrificing Loghain is not worth it if I can reborn.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:08:19 GMT
Did the DA for Alistair's sakes... as I was romancing him...
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Post by capn233 on Feb 20, 2017 5:03:39 GMT
Sleep with Morrigan.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 20, 2017 12:08:26 GMT
Before my Warden killed the Archdemon, she sprayed herself with the "I won't die when I kill the Archdemon because I'm just that awesome" repellent What really happened is there was this dark ritual thing. My Warden had the power of the voice to convince Alistair to be friendly with Morrigan
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Post by Kei on Feb 20, 2017 14:43:49 GMT
All I hope from DA4 is that it goes "The Warden finished that mission, and is now out adventuring. Somewhere. If you want to know more, write a fanfic. S/he's your Warden after all." Notice how they learned their lesson from DAO - DA2 and DAI, for all the inner branching they do, eventually funnel back into a single ending (or with variations so vague and generic that they can be easily handwaved), and neither offer the promise of some major change that can only be addressed again in the future by taking This Very Specific Optional Path. That's the only reason as for why the ritual was almost nullified(*still doubts for Solas*) and didn't had negative consequences yet however I cannot use such metagameplay reasons to justify the DR. Weekes and Bioware/EA will probably ignore the whole thing due to cost production like you've said but that doesn't change the fact that it would be mostly a form of cheap writing. I don't really like when reckless choices are being offered without the appropriate consequences.Look at Connor,sacrifice someone to ensure the maximum amount of security rather than let that spirit being unchecked for several days until you gather the lyrium it serve nothing,because the writers have decided that nothing happens regardless of how much time is spent to gather those resources(because they did not wanted to spend money in order to create a whole scenario for the consequences). Here with the DR is exactly the same thing, they wanted to nullify it in order to not waste resources to show the consequences so they forced the spirit of the ex-archdemon to disappear into nothingness(same outcome of the Sacrifices)and I don't like it. It's ridiculous,the benefit of having the soul disappear should have been only for the sacrifices ending not for the DR. For now I'm willing to give to them the benefit of the doubt because of the whole Solas killing Flemeth thing and I expect him to use such power for the benefit of his plans ,however if I have come to know Bioware I think they will just ignore it completly.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 20, 2017 16:45:20 GMT
My canon Warden let Loghain kill him. She wasn't going to let Morrigan preserve the Archdemon's life, and she had developed a bit of a death wish/martyr complex anyway, so she was fully ready to pay the price to ensure it was destroyed. However, Loghain's plea for a meaningful death really hit her hard. At that point, she simply wanted to throw her life away to end the Blight. So she acquiesced to his wishes and let him strike the final blow. Also, in a meta-sense, I almost never do US Wardens, because their world states can't be carried over to Awakening. Of my 8 different Wardens coming from completed playthroughs or intended future ones (including the primary canon one above) : Sacrificed Loghain - 4 times Dark Ritual, Alistair/Morrigan - 2 times Dark Ritual, Warden/Morrigan - 1 time Ultimate Sacrifice - 1 time Sten wanted to atone by dying at the hands of the approaching darkspawn horde, and yet the Warden convinces him to redeem himself with his actions in life. Why is Loghain the only one whose death wish is granted?
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