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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 30, 2017 2:43:57 GMT
As for Solas you can'touch him(especially if you powered him up with the DR) he isn't a powerless boob that can be defeated by just because you want it to,he can turn your warden in stone or kill them in their dreams long before they even have the chance to realize that they are already dead. Technically, and I say this while still mostly agreeing with you on the finer points of the philosophy behind what you've posted, we don't know that for sure. It's possible that little Medusa trick only works on individuals that have been exposed to some certain magic artifact, like the ones the Viddasala were researching. Also, it's possible that since Solas' level maxes out 27 and the Warden's maxes at 35, the Warden could just no-sell the ability by virtue of a higher max resistance score!
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Post by secretrare on Mar 30, 2017 3:37:30 GMT
As for Solas you can'touch him(especially if you powered him up with the DR) he isn't a powerless boob that can be defeated by just because you want it to,he can turn your warden in stone or kill them in their dreams long before they even have the chance to realize that they are already dead. Technically, and I say this while still mostly agreeing with you on the finer points of the philosophy behind what you've posted, we don't know that for sure. It's possible that little Medusa trick only works on individuals that have been exposed to some certain magic artifact, like the ones the Viddasala were researching. Also, it's possible that since Solas' level maxes out 27 and the Warden's maxes at 35, the Warden could just no-sell the ability by virtue of a higher max resistance score! I recall to have seen him using the same kind of power to kill Flemeth,I don't think that spell has any requirments to be casted other than Solas will. The power level of the npcs have always been gameplay features, Hawke is at 11 in DAI despite them being more powerful in DA2 while some of the mobs in DAA where at 32-34 despite them being just averge bandits with no formal training.I don't think right now there is anyone who is a match for Solas,is not only his magic but also all of his eluvians(all under his control in Thedas)i also believe he knows where to find other elven Orbs.Anyway all he wants his to remove the veil I don't think he cares to engage in combat anyone,if they will die anyway it change nothing to him.
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Post by tidus on Mar 30, 2017 8:16:53 GMT
[/p] That's why my Elven HoF will never be sacrifice.
We know what old baldy was really up to in DA:I after playing trespasser. I was not surprise.
Old baldy is another character I wished I could have ran a sword through in the beginning of the game.
[/quote] There's no need for you to spam your personal story with war (again) over me since you did that already plenty of times in the past,you live what you've learned and what you've learned is a lie for me and you will carry that lie with you until your last day on this world. My grandfather also went on war in France(2 world war) and he doesn't have your mindset. Your own definition of "nothing" has no meaning as I've already told you that the sacrifice it does ereadicate the AD soul once and for all thus preventing it to cause world threats issues in the future and so it is an useful death,one for the world. Death itself is inevitable for every being and if it is eternal(I don't know and nobody can) it doesn't really matter when you die as any number of limited years lived on this world are always erased by eternity. . The elves and their condition have nothing to do with you doing the DR,Old gods are the major reason that Brought the elves into a state of misery so don't say you saved this old god for the elves you did that only for your own selfishness. As for Solas you can'touch him(especially if you powered him up with the DR) he isn't a powerless boob that can be defeated by just because you want it to,he can turn your warden in stone or kill them in their dreams long before they even have the chance to realize that they are already dead.[/quote][/p]
WWII was different.. We had a saying.. Dying for nothing means shit.. I still find that to be true.. As far as old baldy I suppose we might get to kill him in the next game if the devs goes that way....
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Post by dayze on Apr 2, 2017 4:26:29 GMT
Well the Warden wasn't particularly concerned about Alistair or Loghain surviving more than himself. He wanted to have an increased odds of coming out alive and having progeny. This is the only real option for that. Though thinking about it; what with Flemeth and Morrigan's knowledge of the future, them tapping you would seem to imply you have the highest odds of facing off against the dragon. We have no idea really what the sacrifice at the alienage can or can not do; all we know is that a blood magic ritual done which involved killing multiple elves to make you stronger in some way. Presumably; if your stronger you can live longer by being healthier. Great odds of surviving heart attacks, disease etc.....stay active, that kind of stuff. As for Avernus there is no point where it is referenced that it was blood magic that made him live longer. We know the potion was a result of his study and knowledge to increase warden's power and put off the taint and becoming a ghoul. Living longer and "not" becoming a ghoul was the whole point of what he was doing there. Seems likely that it was the potion that made him that way. And if it was this unnamed or specified blood magic; well there's the blood magic ritual that got done using multiple sacrifices. So that angle covers it as well. Your whole post doesn't make sense. The elves sacrificed in the alienage by Caladrius(which was wounded and thus his magic was weakened as a result of him being wounded) had the effect of add a +1 in constitution,they did not removed the calling nor his spell increased the lifespawn of the protagonist. Avernus has never revealed how he managed to delay the calling,his potion had nothing to do with it. In order to do that he used spells based on blood magic against living subjects but nobody knows what he truly did.Also in DAI it is revealed that there are rare individuals that have a natural resistance to both the calling and the taint(Leliana is one of them) Avernus can simply be one of these rare individuals and thus his body was able to delay the calling due to his own experiments+his natural resistance which the warden may not possess at all. The effect is a game mechanic, even then +1 to constitution seems like it might help you live longer. Perhaps he is one of those rare individuals. But his research was all about putting off the calling and making grey warden's more powerful. The potion is the end result of all his work and he seems to have lived longer. At this point it seems like Occam's Razor goes towards that.
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Post by secretrare on Apr 2, 2017 5:55:34 GMT
[/p] Dying for nothing means shit..
[/quote] Your reasonings means shit. They are trivial,banal and without any depth just like the DR runners.
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Post by Mark7 on Apr 2, 2017 5:59:14 GMT
Your whole post doesn't make sense. The elves sacrificed in the alienage by Caladrius(which was wounded and thus his magic was weakened as a result of him being wounded) had the effect of add a +1 in constitution,they did not removed the calling nor his spell increased the lifespawn of the protagonist. Avernus has never revealed how he managed to delay the calling,his potion had nothing to do with it. In order to do that he used spells based on blood magic against living subjects but nobody knows what he truly did.Also in DAI it is revealed that there are rare individuals that have a natural resistance to both the calling and the taint(Leliana is one of them) Avernus can simply be one of these rare individuals and thus his body was able to delay the calling due to his own experiments+his natural resistance which the warden may not possess at all. The effect is a game mechanic, even then +1 to constitution seems like it might help you live longer. Perhaps he is one of those rare individuals. But his research was all about putting off the calling and making grey warden's more powerful. The potion is the end result of all his work and he seems to have lived longer. At this point it seems like Occam's Razor goes towards that. The potion of Avernus doesn't delay the calling it only unlocks some abilities.The spell of Caladrius doesn't remove it either.
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Post by Prince on Apr 2, 2017 6:18:03 GMT
At this rate I hope that whatever writer will be involved in this subplot will take into account the possibility of using Solas and Mythal to use this soul for their own power base and plans (veil removal).. Oh Weekes will definetly become my favorite writer if he has an outcome like that in mind.Now that Gaider is finally out,we will never see Morrigan and her ruote as the more supported by the writers,ever again. There is the need to put some balance on this whole thing and Solas may be what I was looking for,let him destroy the entire world or free some Evanuris for the DR runners.
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Post by tidus on Apr 2, 2017 12:05:14 GMT
There's one thing I learned in life.. Nobody is willing to die and anybody with common sense fully believes dying for nothing means shit or very little at best.
Put a gun to somebody's head or knife to their throat and see how fast they start begging for their life.
The HoF is no different and once given the opportunity to save his/her life they will take it just like you or I would..
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Post by Catilina on Apr 2, 2017 12:13:39 GMT
There is no proof that the reborn Old-God would be evil. We still know from it nothing. I would like to see the consequences, no matter, good or bad.
Why some people think, that "DR runners" do not want to see the consequences? We (I think most of us) did it, because we want to see, what will happen...
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Post by talyn82 on Apr 2, 2017 14:07:35 GMT
There is no proof that the reborn Old-God would be evil. We still know from it nothing. I would like to see the consequences, no matter, good or bad. Why some people think, that "DR runners" do not want to see the consequences? We (I think most of us) did it, because we want to see, what will happen... I was one of those too. At the time I thought maybe in the sequel they'll show the consequences.
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Post by tidus on Apr 2, 2017 14:42:44 GMT
There is no proof that the reborn Old-God would be evil. We still know from it nothing. I would like to see the consequences, no matter, good or bad. Why some people think, that "DR runners" do not want to see the consequences? We (I think most of us) did it, because we want to see, what will happen... It didn't really change things in the long run.. Morrigan has a son,Flemeth got her old God which she passed to Solas before she died and we know we will fight him in the next DA game.
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Post by dayze on Apr 2, 2017 22:07:18 GMT
The effect is a game mechanic, even then +1 to constitution seems like it might help you live longer. Perhaps he is one of those rare individuals. But his research was all about putting off the calling and making grey warden's more powerful. The potion is the end result of all his work and he seems to have lived longer. At this point it seems like Occam's Razor goes towards that. The potion of Avernus doesn't delay the calling it only unlocks some abilities.The spell of Caladrius doesn't remove it either. The spell gives you a permanent boost to your physical health; presumably that could allow you to live longer and not have to go to the calling as quickly. The potion is in the end result of his work to live longer and resist the calling, as such we see he's lived an unusually long amount of time. There is nothing that indicates the potion "doesn't" do what he set out to do or there is an alternative reason for why he has managed to do so. It also apparently allows access to new abilities as well. Like I said earlier; Occam's Razor. The guy set out to devise a way of living longer, does and says the result of his work is the potion the warden drinks. Now perhaps they'll retcon that at some point but at this present time we have no reason to think it doesn't do what he set out for it do.
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Post by Mark7 on Apr 3, 2017 13:06:07 GMT
The potion of Avernus doesn't delay the calling it only unlocks some abilities.The spell of Caladrius doesn't remove it either. The spell gives you a permanent boost to your physical health; presumably that could allow you to live longer and not have to go to the calling as quickly. The potion is in the end result of his work to live longer and resist the calling, as such we see he's lived an unusually long amount of time. There is nothing that indicates the potion "doesn't" do what he set out to do or there is an alternative reason for why he has managed to do so. It also apparently allows access to new abilities as well. Like I said earlier; Occam's Razor. The guy set out to devise a way of living longer, does and says the result of his work is the potion the warden drinks. Now perhaps they'll retcon that at some point but at this present time we have no reason to think it doesn't do what he set out for it do. Look I know that human beings tend to dwell in whatever lie they've wrapped up within their minds in order to justify their delusional belief,but this isn't a noumenon ( something that can't be defined) it's a phenomenon(something that can be defined and falsified).Any numbers of points invested in costitution (which can be obtained in DAO at any level up and not just by killing the elves),it does not prolong the lifespawn it just increase the damages that can be suffered in battle,you don't get to prolong the "life" of your virtual avatar any time that you invest points in the attribute of constitution. The Avernus' concoction does not prolong the lifespawn,this isn't a retcon. Zathrian prolonged his life by messing with spirits,Avernus may as well have done the same thanks to all those demons he has summoned and since Gaider has officially revealed that spirits can temporarly erase the calling by interfering with it(and demons are spirits)there you have it your explanation for both his prolonged life and his calling being temporarly disabled(until the warden killed the demons in the tower and that's why AVernus felt that the calling begun to torment him again). This theory is by far more choerent than anything you've said. 10 years and the HoF will be dead all reunited with the one of BioWare.
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Post by secretrare on Apr 8, 2017 10:07:46 GMT
There's one thing I learned in life.. Nobody is willing to die and anybody with common sense fully believes dying for nothing means shit or very little at best. Put a gun to somebody's head or knife to their throat and see how fast they start begging for their life. The HoF is no different and once given the opportunity to save his/her life they will take it just like you or I would.. That's just nonsense. The Dark ritual it gambles the certainty of the victory itself in the war by allowing the fulcrum of the blight to reborn via untested spell,one does not gambe the certainty of victory in a war just to save one single soldier unless thy are that cowards .Your HoF is differnt than mine you're selfish and I'm not deal with it.
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Post by Mark7 on Apr 8, 2017 10:18:32 GMT
There's one thing I learned in life.. Nobody is willing to die and anybody with common sense fully believes dying for nothing means shit or very little at best. Put a gun to somebody's head or knife to their throat and see how fast they start begging for their life. The HoF is no different and once given the opportunity to save his/her life they will take it just like you or I would..
What's that the manual of cowardice? After the Art of war by Sun Tzu we have the manual of cowardice from...What's even your name?
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 8, 2017 10:55:42 GMT
There's one thing I learned in life.. Nobody is willing to die and anybody with common sense fully believes dying for nothing means shit or very little at best. Put a gun to somebody's head or knife to their throat and see how fast they start begging for their life. The HoF is no different and once given the opportunity to save his/her life they will take it just like you or I would.. I don't care about what you've learned in your life Mr Tidus,you were already annoying enough on the old forum with your endlessly hyperboles that never made any sense and that were always so pretentious. Your parallell doesn't make sense as the magnitude of the dangers of an Old god(which is a potential blight) is as big as a nuclear weapon not like some thieves with guns and knifes that can only affect single individuals at time. True soldiers are those who choose the career of being a soldier and my father is one of them so he know the risk of what such career entails(DEATH) but he still likes that job (alongside his weapons) way more than anything else and I respect him for that,from what I can tell you instead was just forced by the government of your country to go in war and if that is true then it means that you was never a soldier so it is good that you will never be in war again. I can't imagine what kind of squadmate should put trust over someone who only cares about their own personal survival,they may as well even decide to abandon them if it is more convenient for their own life(just like Morrigan) It's absolutly pretentious for you to say that all people have to share your mindset just because you didn't liked the duties of the GW(Ultimate Sacrifice to completely destroy Urthemiel),some people don't like gambling the whole world just to save one single person,i think that's incredibly stupid and selfish,and no general IRL will ever dare to use in war untested methods with the risk of losing it when they already have a better and final solution. Those people who helped Morrigan out of fear for their own interest putted at risk billions of lifeforms including themsleves in the long run and now they even pretend to be depositary of lessons of life,give me a break.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 8, 2017 11:11:04 GMT
There is no proof that the reborn Old-God would be evil. We still know from it nothing. I would like to see the consequences, no matter, good or bad. Why some people think, that "DR runners" do not want to see the consequences? We (I think most of us) did it, because we want to see, what will happen... You're just another who doesn't understand the issue or more likely who doesn't care to understand the issue. Killing Urthemiel means to resolve the issue once and for all. Not killing Urthemiel out of fear of death(of one single individual) it opens the doors of an incredible amount of dangers of world-wide magnitudes that were already explained plenty of times both in the old forum and in this one by a many users,do I have really to list the dangers of the ritual?They are all global dangers. I already know that you can't answer to any of those without metaknowledge,the old god being "evil" is the last of the dangers of the Dark ritual there are others who are by far more dangerous and could have been avoided if only one wasn't that selfish to consider themsleves as too be more important than the whole freaking world. How the hell,how the hell you know that a reborn old god can't emit the calling?! Because that's what they do when they aren't ArchdemonsWhen they are on the deep roads that's a severe issue as eventually Darkspawns find them because of their calling,But if they are on the surface then it means there is the risk of them luring darkspawns on the surface and that's even worse.
You(or any other DR-runners) still believe to be in the right out of some delusion after i showed you just one of the critical gambles of the DR. Before you ask yes i do know other points that are even more critical to this that I've just exsposed.
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Post by Mark7 on Apr 8, 2017 11:36:57 GMT
How the hell,how the hell you know that a reborn old god can't emit the calling?! Because that's what they do when they aren't ArchdemonsWhen they are on the deep roads that's a severe issue as eventually Darkspawns find them because of their calling,But if they are on the surface then it means there is the risk of them luring darkspawns on the surface ad taht's even worse.
As you said Darkspawns follow the song that comes from the soul of the AD and if that isn't destroyed then it means there is the risk of them being unable to retreat even after the AD dies because they are still able to sense that soul that was preserved via DR. Of course I don't expect any DR-runner to resolve this or any other DR related issue,they live on planet metaknowledge and they are bound to accept whatever outcome the writers will decide for them.
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Post by akiza on Apr 9, 2017 23:08:28 GMT
There you have it...we are all dead in Denerim because Darkspawn don't want to retreat as a consequence of Urthemiel soul being still around in the city with his own calling... And this outcome doesn't happen only...because some writer has determined the outcome(ignoring their own rules about old gods)... So the HoF save themselves at the risk of dooming themselves(+ the entire army)...well that's very smart exactly like DR runners believe it to be.
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Post by tidus on Apr 9, 2017 23:56:43 GMT
Actually its a game with no real danger and the ending you choose is your own. We know old baldy wants to destroy everything you did in DA:I along with the humes.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2017 11:00:05 GMT
I know. Everyone knows, that all "DR runners" are immoral scumbags. And enjoying this! So: I have a world, where my Warden sacrificed herself, this was a very nice end, but never used (yet) in the Keep. Simply too boring. I want to see the consequences. But I know: probably will not have any effect, every world state is similar. Sadly. Unfortunately, we probably will not see the difference. And you'll get no glory for the ultimate sacrifice. Sadly. I want to see, that the self-sacrifice Wardens get glory, but it will not happen. Deal. With. It.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 10, 2017 11:45:04 GMT
Pro DR players say "the HoF doesn't know if it's gonna be bad". Anti DR players say "the DR doesn't know if it's going to be good".
Either way, it is a gamble.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2017 11:46:54 GMT
Pro DR players say "the HoF doesn't know if it's gonna be bad". Anti DR players say "the DR doesn't know if it's going to be good". Either way, it is a gamble. It is a gamble. And as such: very interesting.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 10, 2017 13:23:46 GMT
Pro DR players say "the HoF doesn't know if it's gonna be bad". Anti DR players say "the DR doesn't know if it's going to be good". Either way, it is a gamble. It is a gamble. And as such: very interesting. For the player, yes. However, I don't think the HoF should feel amused by that.
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Post by Mark7 on Apr 10, 2017 14:02:28 GMT
And you'll get no glory for the ultimate sacrifice. Sadly. I want to see, that the self-sacrifice Wardens get glory, but it will not happen. Deal. With. It. That's just your view pal. The US warden defeat the blight,it's kill the AD completly,it doesn't allow Morrigan/Flemeth/Solas to gain it's energy,it gains their statues also on Weissaupt(not just in Ferelden)and it has the most intelligent reason to not be in DAI(rahter than being disappeared for "convenience" like a ghost),Overall that seem to me the plot that was most followed by Bioware,all the other were just manipulated so that they could adapt to it.
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