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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 3:19:22 GMT
...um....I was actually dissappointed he couldn`t be romanced...he was hot....in a big, grey and horn-ie kind of way...either him or one of the other qunari...but mainly him...yup.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 21, 2016 17:09:30 GMT
...um....I was actually dissappointed he couldn`t be romanced...he was hot....in a big, grey and horn-ie kind of way...either him or one of the other qunari...but mainly him...yup. I said: this is a romance thread...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 17:20:52 GMT
...um....I was actually dissappointed he couldn`t be romanced...he was hot....in a big, grey and horn-ie kind of way...either him or one of the other qunari...but mainly him...yup. I said: this is a romance thread... Hellooooo Arishok! Nice! ... LOL but yeah, that's about how my Arishok battles usually go.
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 21, 2016 21:41:09 GMT
...um....I was actually dissappointed he couldn`t be romanced...he was hot....in a big, grey and horn-ie kind of way...either him or one of the other qunari...but mainly him...yup. This whole video is worth watching, but the Arishok is from 5:18 to 6:25
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Post by fenris on Oct 5, 2016 12:21:40 GMT
You are correct sir. He IS the best character in the DA series over all. Clear motivations, clear goals, clear tactics... He was awesome.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Oct 5, 2016 13:21:19 GMT
You are correct sir. He IS the best character in the DA series over all. Clear motivations, clear goals, clear tactics... He was awesome. Integrity is almost always sexy, regardless if one's a villain or a hero
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Post by fenris on Oct 5, 2016 13:39:27 GMT
You are correct sir. He IS the best character in the DA series over all. Clear motivations, clear goals, clear tactics... He was awesome. Integrity is almost always sexy, regardless if one's a villain or a hero Also shirtless and muscular It reminded me of a scene from DA:I when Krem asks the Iron Bull if all the Qunari walk around with their man bosoms out in the open, and I thought "why, yes! Yes they do!"
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 15, 2016 9:00:09 GMT
The Arishok is a real motherfucker! The real deal! Nuff said.
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Post by Zikade on Nov 15, 2016 14:44:16 GMT
Agreed. Arishok was a great character with good writing and proper interaction. Like, I love Samson but I think they squandered a lot of his potential in DA:I since many things about his motivations and character can not be found in the game and are instead "hidden" in the short story (Paper and Steel) and in the previous game. If you haven't played DA2 and don't bother with the short story, you pretty much have to rely on Cullen's biased commentary. Arishok was a very different kind of antagonist. You can have civil conversations with him in which he gives a clear image of his motives and goals and you can even directly affect his opinion of you. I thought that was awesome.
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 18, 2016 19:38:29 GMT
Yeesh couldn't disagree more with many thoughts in this thread. He was the author of his and the Qun groups he lead failings from the beginning to the end. He to me was the classic talk as if you know what you are doing and have some big secret plan when in reality you have no clue what you re doing at all.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 19, 2016 19:16:13 GMT
Yeesh couldn't disagree more with many thoughts in this thread. He was the author of his and the Qun groups he lead failings from the beginning to the end. He to me was the classic talk as if you know what you are doing and have some big secret plan when in reality you have no clue what you re doing at all. The Arishok was the leader of the Qunari military on a top-secret assignment to retrieve the Qunari's most precious artefact... is it any wonder why he would not want to reveal classified information to a city filled with bas? He could not reveal his mission was to recover the stolen Tome of Koslun, as revealing it's existence in the city might lead it to fall into the hands of religious fanatics (such as Petrice) who might decide to burn the "heathen" words of the Ashkaari. The Arishok was only prepared to admit his mission to Hawke after they discovered the truth about what the "relic" was, making further secrecy pointless. Furthermore, a public announcement would risk it become a target for theft again, even if they recovered it. Part of the reason Isabela was able to steal it in the first place, was because Orlais broadcast that they would be returning the Tome to the Qunari as a peace offering. If the Arishok wanted to retrieve the Tome and keep onto it until they got back to Par Vollen, this operation would have to be conducted in secret. The Arishok's claim that he was waiting for a ship wasn't entirely untrue... he was waiting for a ship to take them back to Par Vollen. As he later admits to Hawke, what he left out was that it only be sent to pick them up after they'd completed their mission. We shouldn't mistake the Arishok being tight-lipped on his intentions as indications that he was clueless or without a plan. His strategy was to patiently remain in Kirkwall while his agents searched for the Tome and/or the thief who took it, allowing him to recover the Tome of Koslun and leave Kirkwall without anyone the wiser.
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Post by fenris on Nov 20, 2016 14:30:51 GMT
He could not reveal his mission was to recover the stolen Tome of Koslun, as revealing it's existence in the city might lead it to fall into the hands of religious fanatics (such as Petrice) Speaking of Petrice - she was also one of my favorite characters in the series! She was the Arishok's counterpart - clear motivations, clear goals, clear tactics (though sneaky ones), and uncompromising over her world view, believing she is in the right and not apologizing for her believes. God I love DA2. What an awesome game!
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Post by Catilina on Nov 20, 2016 14:43:27 GMT
He could not reveal his mission was to recover the stolen Tome of Koslun, as revealing it's existence in the city might lead it to fall into the hands of religious fanatics (such as Petrice) Speaking of Petrice - she was also one of my favorite characters in the series! She was the Arishok's counterpart - clear motivations, clear goals, clear tactics (though sneaky ones), and uncompromising over her world view, believing she is in the right and not apologizing for her believes. God I love DA2. What an awesome game! Petrice is great enemy, indeed!
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 22, 2016 22:06:00 GMT
Yeesh couldn't disagree more with many thoughts in this thread. He was the author of his and the Qun groups he lead failings from the beginning to the end. He to me was the classic talk as if you know what you are doing and have some big secret plan when in reality you have no clue what you re doing at all. The Arishok was the leader of the Qunari military on a top-secret assignment to retrieve the Qunari's most precious artefact... is it any wonder why he would not want to reveal classified information to a city filled with bas? He could not reveal his mission was to recover the stolen Tome of Koslun, as revealing it's existence in the city might lead it to fall into the hands of religious fanatics (such as Petrice) who might decide to burn the "heathen" words of the Ashkaari. The Arishok was only prepared to admit his mission to Hawke after they discovered the truth about what the "relic" was, making further secrecy pointless. Furthermore, a public announcement would risk it become a target for theft again, even if they recovered it. Part of the reason Isabela was able to steal it in the first place, was because Orlais broadcast that they would be returning the Tome to the Qunari as a peace offering. If the Arishok wanted to retrieve the Tome and keep onto it until they got back to Par Vollen, this operation would have to be conducted in secret. The Arishok's claim that he was waiting for a ship wasn't entirely untrue... he was waiting for a ship to take them back to Par Vollen. As he later admits to Hawke, what he left out was that it only be sent to pick them up after they'd completed their mission. We shouldn't mistake the Arishok being tight-lipped on his intentions as indications that he was clueless or without a plan. His strategy was to patiently remain in Kirkwall while his agents searched for the Tome and/or the thief who took it, allowing him to recover the Tome of Koslun and leave Kirkwall without anyone the wiser. His, agents spent years apparently doing an awful job of looking for the book when hawke found it in a week. He had zero plan. He also was more than happy to screw up repeatably (see the poison barrel quest). He had planned the attack on kirkwall for a long time for the good reason of???????? He got pissed off at his own incompetence at not finding the book and decided to take it out on someone or something. And his secrecy totally sunk him and his cause. If in his 1st meeting with Hawke if he laid it on the line and told him/her that they had to get their sacred tome back and they were going to go to any lengths to do it and as soon as they got it they would be gone he would have had the book in about a week. His arrogance, hubris and stupidity did him in, in the end. As Hawke and his cohorts wee seeking the tome there was no evidence that the arishok had got that far in his own investigation. He didn't even try to lie and put out the word that they (Qunari) would pay a kings ransom to get it back. He may have simply been too far out of his element and totally not used to how things were done kirkwall but his #1 job was not to be disgusted by the slimeyness of kirkwall it was to get his book and then worry about 'educating the masses'
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Post by shechinah on Nov 22, 2016 23:49:13 GMT
His, agents spent years apparently doing an awful job of looking for the book when hawke found it in a week. He had zero plan. He also was more than happy to screw up repeatably (see the poison barrel quest). He had planned the attack on kirkwall for a long time for the good reason of???????? He got pissed off at his own incompetence at not finding the book and decided to take it out on someone or something. And his secrecy totally sunk him and his cause. If in his 1st meeting with Hawke if he laid it on the line and told him/her that they had to get their sacred tome back and they were going to go to any lengths to do it and as soon as they got it they would be gone he would have had the book in about a week. His arrogance, hubris and stupidity did him in, in the end. As Hawke and his cohorts wee seeking the tome there was no evidence that the arishok had got that far in his own investigation. He didn't even try to lie and put out the word that they (Qunari) would pay a kings ransom to get it back. He may have simply been too far out of his element and totally not used to how things were done kirkwall but his #1 job was not to be disgusted by the slimeyness of kirkwall it was to get his book and then worry about 'educating the masses' As far as I know, Hawke didn't find it in a week. It's not even Hawke who finds it: it's Isabella who does and reveals so to Hawke when she requests Hawke's help with the quest "To Catch a Thief". It also took about two years or so before the relic surfaced in Kirkwall and before Isabella was able to locate it even with underworld connections that the Arishok likely did not have. Isabella and Hawke even have, at least, one dialogue exchange wherein the two reference an attempt to find Isabella’s item that resulted in failure.
The sacred tome of Koslun would be a very sought after item for many people including collectors that would like to secretly add it to their collection and religious extremists of the Andrastian faith that would like to see it destroyed or otherwise spoiled. These people would likely be willing to pay an extravagant sum. There would be people trying to sell fake tomes and that could increase the chances of the actual tome slipping by unnoticed including because of information becoming cluttered with false tomes.
Keeping the description of the relic vague might make it easier to narrow down potential deals that might involve it since only a few would know what it was and how it looked. Given that the Arishok’s men show up at the same time and same place as Hawke and Isabella does where the deal is taking place, it seems like it paid off.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 23, 2016 4:45:04 GMT
The Arishok's primary flaw is that much like Cullen, he's someone who thinks every problem can be solved with a hammer. He's a General meant to lead soldiers into battle. Dealing with petty bureaucrats and foreign politics is a task that under the Qun, was never meant for him.
When it came to choosing his replacement, WOT Vol 2 mentions that the Tamassrans used entirely different criteria this time around, likely recognising that they chose someone too aggressive and this was a contributing factor to what happened in Kirkwall.
That they chose Sten (at least in the default canon), seems to imply they felt they needed someone who could be far more flexible, who was more of a thinker than a blunt instrument. Throughout Origins he showed that while he preferred the most direct solution, he was willing to listen and consider alternate paths should the wisdom behind them be sound.
(As an aside... I've always wondered why the Triumvirate decided to send the Arishok to retrieve the Tome of Koslun, rather than have the Ben-Hassrath? Surely their spies would have been able to get the Tome back to Par Vollen without anyone the wiser? Sending someone as high-profile as the Arishok only painted a huge target on the proceedings.)
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Post by phoray on Nov 23, 2016 4:48:50 GMT
I've always wondered why the Triumvirate decided to send the Arishok to retrieve the Tome of Koslun, rather than have the Ben-Hassrath, since their spies would have probably been able to get the Tome back to Par Vollen without anyone the wiser? Although they initially sent him to chase down the tome, they crash landed. He may have been the right choice for the boat chasing, but not as a long term installation on foreign soil? But it was too late then, because ot have them leave and then come back again would have been war inducing I think.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 25, 2016 4:07:16 GMT
Although they initially sent him to chase down the tome, they crash landed. He may have been the right choice for the boat chasing, but not as a long term installation on foreign soil? But it was too late then, because ot have them leave and then come back again would have been war inducing I think. World of Thedas says that the Triumivirate sent the Arishok specifically to bring back the Tome from the Orlesians, suggesting that the theft occurred when the Arishok was en-route back to Par Vollen. In hindsight, this would explain why the Arishok speaks of the theft with barely contained rage. Not only did the theft happen on his watch, but he must have felt like he was running a right Mickey Mouse operation, if neither he or his soldiers could prevent someone from slipping past them to steal the Tome again, five seconds after it was on the boat.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 27, 2016 0:42:24 GMT
By. FAR!
I do like Loghain though, but he's more of a moustache twirler than a real villain to me plus he can turn good.
I'm replaying the game right now on PC and man, I had forgotten how good the story is (until act 3 at least) in this game. I know they just "fixed" DA2's mistakes by overcompensating with open worlds, crafting etc. with Inquisition, and I still do prefer that game in areas, but this game has plot and lots of it and I like being confined to being within the scope of the plot and not some huge and vague framework that allows me to do everything and rewarding me in a way that makes you think it contributes to a plot but really doesn't.
Best quote right here btw: "The Tal-Vashoth are not dead to us. They are a living insult."
And it's all Luke Kristjanson from what I understand. Uurgh, this is gonna be so good if they make DA4! Tevinter, Fen'harel, and given Patrick is Lead and he obviously loves the Qunari, there's gonna be more friggin Qunari. If DA4 ever happens I hope they find maybe a cross-breed between DAI and DA2 while fixing tactical cam so you can have conversations and do all interactions in it and click on things in the PC port. Scale down the open world areas just by 25 percent, focus on making the quests great etc. I mean, they have a recipe for a masterpiece if they take a step forward with their best foot first.
Although, I'm concerned Patrick will keep using Marvel movies for inspiration too much. He's a fanboy and it worries me a bit. I hope he looks more towards gritty and dark stuff or other fantasy narratives to write DA4 because Marvel movies are by nature very comedic and flashy and IMHO that showed in Trespasser.
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Post by Anders Was Right on Dec 3, 2016 8:54:08 GMT
My Hawkes all really want to bang the Arishok.
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Post by fenris on Dec 4, 2016 5:53:05 GMT
My Hawkes all really want to bang the Arishok. Are those your Hawkes, or just you? Or both? I know for me it's probably both
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Post by fenris on Dec 4, 2016 5:58:28 GMT
And it's all Luke Kristjanson from what I understand. Uurgh, this is gonna be so good if they make DA4! Tevinter, Fen'harel, and given Patrick is Lead and he obviously loves the Qunari, there's gonna be more friggin Qunari. If DA4 ever happens I hope they find maybe a cross-breed between DAI and DA2 while fixing tactical cam so you can have conversations and do all interactions in it and click on things in the PC port. Scale down the open world areas just by 25 percent, focus on making the quests great etc. I mean, they have a recipe for a masterpiece if they take a step forward with their best foot first. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I personally prefer a Baldur's Gate style game - have BOTH a huge city filled to the brim with stuff like in DA2, AND have a lot of cool exploration areas. If they'd have made Val Royeaux like Kirkwall, I would never stop playing the game. Ever. I hope in DA4 they do a huge city as well as exploration.
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