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Post by veky359 on Feb 26, 2017 17:34:03 GMT
I think that it will work fine/on max on my mix of old/new rig : Lenovo ThinkCentre M58 Intel Core 2Quad Q9550, 8GB DDR3, nVidia 1060 6GB, SSD as OS HDD in resolution of 1290x1024
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 26, 2017 17:34:04 GMT
Morning, y'all. Any ideas about the performance difference between the GTX 1080 FTW and the soon-to-be-1080Ti? Any guesses on price for the Ti? Just curious, because I just ordered the 1080FTW v. 2 yesterday ( I sold my two 980 FTWs on a spur of the moment thing to a friend at work) and hence I need a new card. But....the 1080 FTW is the card I've wanted for a long while since V.1 came out--and when I heard about all the problems, then I saw that EVGA was releasing a V2 with an improved cooling system for the same price, I picked up V 2 w/ICX instead. I dunno....The rumoured 2 GB more RAM, 160GB/sec bandwidth, and 500+ more CUDA cores on the 1080Ti sounds like a considerable improvement over the 1080 FTW...BUT I'm guessing the performance difference will be equal to the 980Ti vs. the 980 FTW (which was about 10 to 20% overall if even that large) for what was then about 1000 dollars USD at launch in June 2015. I'm giving an educated guess that the price and performance will be about the same for the 1080Ti. And really, that margin of 20% max increase isn't all that much...SO, is the extra money that will be spent on the new Ti really worth the wait for its release, compared to buying the FTW2 (or any other ACX 3/iCX card) now? I mean, up here in Canada....whatever the price is in USD you can add at least a 20% mark-up simply because stuff is going to Canada. (I've seen this happen with electronics especially- and TVs in particular) Canadians always pay more. Even at a rock bottom price of 500 USD, there's conversion of 155 dollars, plus a retail mark-up of at least 20% (because stores need to make a profit, of course), plus tax...and that rock bottom price of 500 US Dollars comes out to a grand total of 888. Now...if the initial MSRP is higher, i.e. 1000 dollars or more....Of course the net price is going to be higher as is the margin of cost between "now and new". So...again, is the performance difference really going to justify the cost and the time we've all spent waiting? And that is not to mention those who already have a current ACX 3.0 model (y'all have to pay an additional 100 USD to 'upgrade' to the new iCX system if you want it) on top of whatever amount you spent for your original purchase. Any way you look at it, that is a high price to pay. The more I think about it, the more I feel that I don't really want or need the 1080Ti... I'm just thinking out-loud here, throwing out random thoughts and questions...trying to get a feel for the general consensus of the market. And most importantly...now that we know for certain what the Specs are--that Recommended is a 3GB GTX 1060, I think that even my 2 980s could handle Ultra @ 1440p, so the 1080TI would just be an ego-booster and turn out to be a very expensive paper weight until games are produced that could even come close to utilizing that technology. Thoughts? I have my doubts that the 1080 Ti is going to be 20% faster than 1080. That is pretty fucking significant; 20% is huge. I also have doubts that 2X 980s cant compete with 1080 Ti. IMO I think its going to be close. I think you should have kept your 980s and possibly waited for 1080 Ti but even then I don't think its worth it. The benchmarks say 2X 980s are faster than a single 1080. Sorry, I think you got robbed.
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Post by veky359 on Feb 26, 2017 17:39:52 GMT
So, anyone know what I can expect, since I got a very old CPU? i7-2600k @ 4,8 P8Z68-V Pro Motherboard 8 GB DDR3 1600 Ram 980 TI (MSI Gaming 6) ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q 27" Monitor You will be fine just like me with mix of old/new rig: Lenovo ThinkCentre M58 Intel Core 2Quad Q9550, 8GB DDR3 1333, nVidia GF 1060 6GB (ASUS) SSD as OS HDD I will play in resolution of 1290x1024 Dell P1917S monitor
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Feb 26, 2017 18:00:02 GMT
Morning, y'all. Any ideas about the performance difference between the GTX 1080 FTW and the soon-to-be-1080Ti? Any guesses on price for the Ti? Just curious, because I just ordered the 1080FTW v. 2 yesterday ( I sold my two 980 FTWs on a spur of the moment thing to a friend at work) and hence I need a new card. But....the 1080 FTW is the card I've wanted for a long while since V.1 came out--and when I heard about all the problems, then I saw that EVGA was releasing a V2 with an improved cooling system for the same price, I picked up V 2 w/ICX instead. I dunno....The rumoured 2 GB more RAM, 160GB/sec bandwidth, and 500+ more CUDA cores on the 1080Ti sounds like a considerable improvement over the 1080 FTW...BUT I'm guessing the performance difference will be equal to the 980Ti vs. the 980 FTW (which was about 10 to 20% overall if even that large) for what was then about 1000 dollars USD at launch in June 2015. I'm giving an educated guess that the price and performance will be about the same for the 1080Ti. And really, that margin of 20% max increase isn't all that much...SO, is the extra money that will be spent on the new Ti really worth the wait for its release, compared to buying the FTW2 (or any other ACX 3/iCX card) now? I mean, up here in Canada....whatever the price is in USD you can add at least a 20% mark-up simply because stuff is going to Canada. (I've seen this happen with electronics especially- and TVs in particular) Canadians always pay more. Even at a rock bottom price of 500 USD, there's conversion of 155 dollars, plus a retail mark-up of at least 20% (because stores need to make a profit, of course), plus tax...and that rock bottom price of 500 US Dollars comes out to a grand total of 888. Now...if the initial MSRP is higher, i.e. 1000 dollars or more....Of course the net price is going to be higher as is the margin of cost between "now and new". So...again, is the performance difference really going to justify the cost and the time we've all spent waiting? And that is not to mention those who already have a current ACX 3.0 model (y'all have to pay an additional 100 USD to 'upgrade' to the new iCX system if you want it) on top of whatever amount you spent for your original purchase. Any way you look at it, that is a high price to pay. The more I think about it, the more I feel that I don't really want or need the 1080Ti... I'm just thinking out-loud here, throwing out random thoughts and questions...trying to get a feel for the general consensus of the market. And most importantly...now that we know for certain what the Specs are--that Recommended is a 3GB GTX 1060, I think that even my 2 980s could handle Ultra @ 1440p, so the 1080TI would just be an ego-booster and turn out to be a very expensive paper weight until games are produced that could even come close to utilizing that technology. Thoughts? I have my doubts that the 1080 Ti is going to be 20% faster than 1080. That is pretty fucking significant; 20% is huge. I also have doubts that 2X 980s cant compete with 1080 Ti. IMO I think its going to be close. I think you should have kept your 980s and possibly waited for 1080 Ti but even then I don't think its worth it. The benchmarks say 2X 980s are faster than a single 1080. Sorry, I think you got robbed. Thanks for your post. I have seen and heard differently regarding the 2-way SLI 980s vs a single 1080; depending on the games played SLI scale-ability and compatibility isn't always great, nor is it always an implemented option, and thus a single card with newer tech has better performance across a wider variety of games. Regarding the "20%"....that was just a guess, a number that I threw out, and honestly my main point was that between the 980 and 980Ti there is not a whole lot of difference...Yet the price jump was pretty big. Not to mention that even 8 Gigs of VRAM is more than enough....so to jump to 10 GB or even 12GB in the new TI (just because you can) is more of an e-peen factor and ego than anything else at this point in time. Even the 6 GB on the 980Ti is only now becoming more usable and ' just about right' for headroom on VRAM. So how much more is an extra 2GB of RAM in the 1080 going to be needed a this point in time? Personally, I think even the 8 GB is a tad excessive right now. I can see 4 pushing the limits of being too little, but again that depends on the game and the configuration over all. As for why I sold my two 980s....I put them out there on a whim, not really expecting anyone to jump at them-and had no one voiced interest I would've been perfectly happy to keep them. If I sold them, I sold them....if I didn't, I didn't. Either way I would've been okay with it. As for what I sold them for....I do now think that I should have stuck to my original price, but I can't renege. And I wanted to help out a friend so I tried to give them a deal. But, I've sold them now so I can't go back on it. Plus I've already ordered the 1080 FTW v2 w/ ICX. With Andromeda coming out in less than a month....I don't want to be caught without a GPU, waiting for the 1080Ti to release in June......And what about next year when Volta comes out? By that time even the 1080Ti will be obselete. Either way, whatever you buy "now" is obselete in six months because there's always something new and better....So I had to make a choice, and I chose the 1080 FTW v2 w/ ICX.
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Post by Ocelot on Feb 26, 2017 18:12:37 GMT
Morning, y'all. Any ideas about the performance difference between the GTX 1080 FTW and the soon-to-be-1080Ti? Any guesses on price for the Ti? Just curious, because I just ordered the 1080FTW v. 2 yesterday ( I sold my two 980 FTWs on a spur of the moment thing to a friend at work) and hence I need a new card. But....the 1080 FTW is the card I've wanted for a long while since V.1 came out--and when I heard about all the problems, then I saw that EVGA was releasing a V2 with an improved cooling system for the same price, I picked up V 2 w/ICX instead. I dunno....The rumoured 2 GB more RAM, 160GB/sec bandwidth, and 500+ more CUDA cores on the 1080Ti sounds like a considerable improvement over the 1080 FTW...BUT I'm guessing the performance difference will be equal to the 980Ti vs. the 980 FTW (which was about 10 to 20% overall if even that large) for what was then about 1000 dollars USD at launch in June 2015. I'm giving an educated guess that the price and performance will be about the same for the 1080Ti. And really, that margin of 20% max increase isn't all that much...SO, is the extra money that will be spent on the new Ti really worth the wait for its release, compared to buying the FTW2 (or any other ACX 3/iCX card) now? I mean, up here in Canada....whatever the price is in USD you can add at least a 20% mark-up simply because stuff is going to Canada. (I've seen this happen with electronics especially- and TVs in particular) Canadians always pay more. Even at a rock bottom price of 500 USD, there's conversion of 155 dollars, plus a retail mark-up of at least 20% (because stores need to make a profit, of course), plus tax...and that rock bottom price of 500 US Dollars comes out to a grand total of 888. Now...if the initial MSRP is higher, i.e. 1000 dollars or more....Of course the net price is going to be higher as is the margin of cost between "now and new". So...again, is the performance difference really going to justify the cost and the time we've all spent waiting? And that is not to mention those who already have a current ACX 3.0 model (y'all have to pay an additional 100 USD to 'upgrade' to the new iCX system if you want it) on top of whatever amount you spent for your original purchase. Any way you look at it, that is a high price to pay. The more I think about it, the more I feel that I don't really want or need the 1080Ti... I'm just thinking out-loud here, throwing out random thoughts and questions...trying to get a feel for the general consensus of the market. And most importantly...now that we know for certain what the Specs are--that Recommended is a 3GB GTX 1060, I think that even my 2 980s could handle Ultra @ 1440p, so the 1080TI would just be an ego-booster and turn out to be a very expensive paper weight until games are produced that could even come close to utilizing that technology. Thoughts? I have my doubts that the 1080 Ti is going to be 20% faster than 1080. That is pretty fucking significant; 20% is huge. I also have doubts that 2X 980s cant compete with 1080 Ti. IMO I think its going to be close. I think you should have kept your 980s and possibly waited for 1080 Ti but even then I don't think its worth it. The benchmarks say 2X 980s are faster than a single 1080. Sorry, I think you got robbed. Even then, I would always recommend a single card. SLI can be unstable at times, not to mention that its not always supported. I think he made a good decision.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 26, 2017 18:14:18 GMT
Depends on what he sold them for, but I am not going to pry.
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Intel core i7 6700 3,4 Ghz 16GB Ram MSI Geforce GTX 1070 X 8G Windows 10 Pro 64 bit LG Ultrawide Full HD Monitor 29" Brand new system, and I think for this game it's gonna bang! Hey we almost have the same PC, and yes game should rock on it!
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Post by rdbc1983 on Feb 26, 2017 18:36:07 GMT
Intel core i7 6700 3,4 Ghz 16GB Ram MSI Geforce GTX 1070 X 8G Windows 10 Pro 64 bit LG Ultrawide Full HD Monitor 29" Brand new system, and I think for this game it's gonna bang! Hey we almost have the same PC, and yes game should rock on it! Cool! 😄
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 18:49:40 GMT
Intel core i7 6700 3,4 Ghz 16GB Ram MSI Geforce GTX 1070 X 8G Windows 10 Pro 64 bit LG Ultrawide Full HD Monitor 29" Brand new system, and I think for this game it's gonna bang! With that rig you will be able to romance even a planet in ME:A
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Feb 26, 2017 18:51:45 GMT
Depends on what he sold them for, but I am not going to pry. After doing a ton of research online into sites like e-bay, kijiji, craigslist, pcpartpicker and even looking at sales data for "used GPUs" to determine the marketability and fair price....My initial target was 700 for the pair or 400 each (if someone only wanted to buy a single card). Even EVGA is asking nearly that much for a "refurbished" 980 FTW....IF you can get it. I've had that listed for about six to eight months with no takers, so I thought "maybe the price is too high and it's scaring away potential buyers" so since January 14th of this year....each week that didn't sell I dropped the price. And while I sold them on a whim to help out a friend at work, for what I knew was practically robbery or at least a really nice gift (she's getting a helluva deal let's just say that)...I knew I could have sold them for more and probably should have stuck to my original price (700 for the pair)...But they're "old" cards...(Who is gonna spend 700 dollars on 2 year old cards when they can get a brand new card for nearly that much or less?) So I decided to gradually drop the price, and I didn't want seem like I was taking advantage of a colleague. Yes, in the back of my mind I still think "I could have sold them for more, especially since she is not one to haggle over price"....But I can't go back on my word. I won't. To do that would be dishonest and unfair. And my character is more important to me than a few hundred dollars more in my hands. I trust this is explanation enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 18:52:46 GMT
Waaaay back in time (1996 to be exact) I had a friend whose father told him that he'd buy him an AlphaServer if he got an A in math in his report card. Being stupid teenagers we had no idea you couldn't run Windows 95 or DOS on that machine, which all our games ran on. Look at the specs in the link, though, it's pretty interesting; the CPUs are puny by today's standards, but some of those models came with several GB of RAM.
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Post by rdbc1983 on Feb 26, 2017 18:53:40 GMT
Intel core i7 6700 3,4 Ghz 16GB Ram MSI Geforce GTX 1070 X 8G Windows 10 Pro 64 bit LG Ultrawide Full HD Monitor 29" Brand new system, and I think for this game it's gonna bang! With that rig you will be able to romance even a planet in ME:A Yeah, I will probably find more than 1 "new home"
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Post by Tanyara on Feb 26, 2017 18:54:13 GMT
I have the following setup: 64-bit Windows 10 AMD FX-8350 8-core 4,01 GHz 8 GB RAM (going to upgrade to 16) Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 (two of them) SLI Will this be alright? If the game will support SLI it will be more than alright If not, probably low-medium settings. I only have 2 GB VRAM per GPU though, and if I have understood things correctly then SLI does not combine the two VRAMs together to 4 GB. Then I will have a total of 2GB and I feel it might not be enough. Certainly not if SLI isn't supported
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If the game will support SLI it will be more than alright If not, probably low-medium settings. I only have 2 GB VRAM per GPU though, and if I have understood things correctly then SLI does not combine the two VRAMs together to 4 GB. Then I will have a total of 2GB and I feel it might not be enough. Certainly not if SLI isn't supported That's true, if the game would support DX12 AND SLI then it would be possible that 2x2GB=4GB, but I don't think it will support it..
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I only have 2 GB VRAM per GPU though, and if I have understood things correctly then SLI does not combine the two VRAMs together to 4 GB. Then I will have a total of 2GB and I feel it might not be enough. Certainly not if SLI isn't supported That's true, if the game would support DX12 AND SLI then it would be possible that 2x2GB=4GB, but I don't think it will support it.. Why not sell both of those 660 quickly and buy something like 970 very cheaply? or even 1060 ? You still would have ~3 week to perform such "transition" before ME:A comes out.
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 26, 2017 19:16:47 GMT
You won't have any trouble. That would be great. So... probably medium settings? I also wonder if it would make sense to change my 270x to gtx 1050 ti? It's all I can afford right know, unless there wouldn't be major difference and it's better to buy somtehing better later? Thanks for all help! medium with some high settings in there still, i'd bet The 270 is roughly the same as a 1050ti. If you have the cash, the 1060 6gb is practically twice as good performance wise x50 series gpus are a niche market for running power from the motherboard instead of directly from the psu
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 26, 2017 19:18:48 GMT
I only have 2 GB VRAM per GPU though, and if I have understood things correctly then SLI does not combine the two VRAMs together to 4 GB. Then I will have a total of 2GB and I feel it might not be enough. Certainly not if SLI isn't supported That's true, if the game would support DX12 AND SLI then it would be possible that 2x2GB=4GB, but I don't think it will support it.. i could be wrong, but i think it even requires multi-adapter support that a dx12 game probably wouldn't even implement at least I don't think we've seen it yet
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 26, 2017 19:24:00 GMT
That's true, if the game would support DX12 AND SLI then it would be possible that 2x2GB=4GB, but I don't think it will support it.. i could be wrong, but i think it even requires multi-adapter support that a dx12 game probably wouldn't even implement at least I don't think we've seen it yet That hope is largely gone. If I had to guess I would say SLI is on the down slope. No motivation for devs to do it really.
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 26, 2017 19:24:12 GMT
If the game will support SLI it will be more than alright If not, probably low-medium settings. I only have 2 GB VRAM per GPU though, and if I have understood things correctly then SLI does not combine the two VRAMs together to 4 GB. Then I will have a total of 2GB and I feel it might not be enough. Certainly not if SLI isn't supported You could be right After running out of vram your gpu will try to pull from the much slower system ram. With your upgrade to 16gb of ram, you may still be able to push high settings, but possibly need to scale back to avoid some chugg I would be interested in hearing how your current system handled this with battlefield 1 if you happened to play
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 26, 2017 19:29:16 GMT
Waaaay back in time (1996 to be exact) I had a friend whose father told him that he'd buy him an AlphaServer if he got an A in math in his report card. Being stupid teenagers we had no idea you couldn't run Windows 95 or DOS on that machine, which all our games ran on. Look at the specs in the link, though, it's pretty interesting; the CPUs are puny by today's standards, but some of those models came with several GB of RAM. I remember having to upgrade megabytes of ram to play phantasmagoria 2
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Waaaay back in time (1996 to be exact) I had a friend whose father told him that he'd buy him an AlphaServer if he got an A in math in his report card. Being stupid teenagers we had no idea you couldn't run Windows 95 or DOS on that machine, which all our games ran on. Look at the specs in the link, though, it's pretty interesting; the CPUs are puny by today's standards, but some of those models came with several GB of RAM. I remember having to upgrade megabytes of ram to play phantasmagoria 2 I remember paying $100 in 1995 for 4MB!
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I remember having to upgrade megabytes of ram to play phantasmagoria 2 I remember paying $100 in 1995 for 4MB! ram was insane i wanted to say it was about 200 for 16 in 96, but I could be thinking 8 instead
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Post by _Wolf Rider_ on Feb 26, 2017 19:47:18 GMT
That would be great. So... probably medium settings? I also wonder if it would make sense to change my 270x to gtx 1050 ti? It's all I can afford right know, unless there wouldn't be major difference and it's better to buy somtehing better later? Thanks for all help! medium with some high settings in there still, i'd bet The 270 is roughly the same as a 1050ti. If you have the cash, the 1060 6gb is practically twice as good performance wise x50 series gpus are a niche market for running power from the motherboard instead of directly from the psu I really do love my GTX 1060 6GB card. This was a big jump for me, in the past I was still running a 4 year old GTX 660 Ti 2GB card and thought it was about time to buy a
newer card to replace my GTX 660, mostly do to newer pc games coming out. Hmm if you really have the money to burn, I say go for the GTX 1060 6GB card like Perm said.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 26, 2017 20:18:07 GMT
Not exactly on topic, but I found a video of someone playing BF1 on a 6670. Fairly lousy performance, but I was amazed that it worked at all.
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