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Post by armass81 on Mar 3, 2017 12:16:27 GMT
People who think delays automatically will make the game better have forgotten previous games that got delayed. Remember when ME3 got delayed? Remember when DAI got delayed? Heck even Andromeda has already been delayed once. Delaying a game over and over again doesn't automatically mean it will become much better. I agree i mean, It got delayed, and delayed an delayed some more. The development was a mess and it got shifted between companies too, as i recall, and finally you had the finished product: Which turned out to be a steaming pile of unfunny shit. Also anyone remember this game: Looked really nice initially, with Mass Effect like action and cutscenes with similar kind of dialogue system, but in the end the whole product was subpar crap with a horrible AI. Why? Cause of bad management thats why. And there went any hope of it getting a sequel.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 3, 2017 12:19:43 GMT
People who think delays automatically will make the game better have forgotten previous games that got delayed. Remember when ME3 got delayed? Remember when DAI got delayed? Heck even Andromeda has already been delayed once. Delaying a game over and over again doesn't automatically mean it will become much better. I agree i mean, It got delayed, and delayed an delayed some more. The development was a mess and it got shifted between companies too, as i recall, and finally you had the finished product: Which turned out to be a steaming pile of unfunny shit. Also anyone remember this game: Looked really nice initially, with Mass Effect like action and cutscenes with similar kind of dialogue system, but in the end the whole product was subpar crap with a horrible AI. Why? Cause of bad management thats why. And there went any hope of it getting a sequel. LOL Sega. When they backed out of console wars I thought it was a shrewd move, allowing them to focus on making great games. Then they stopped making great games. In retrospect, maybe they should have kept making hardware instead.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 3, 2017 12:21:27 GMT
I agree i mean, It got delayed, and delayed an delayed some more. The development was a mess and it got shifted between companies too, as i recall, and finally you had the finished product: Which turned out to be a steaming pile of unfunny shit. Also anyone remember this game: Looked really nice initially, with Mass Effect like action and cutscenes with similar kind of dialogue system, but in the end the whole product was subpar crap with a horrible AI. Why? Cause of bad management thats why. And there went any hope of it getting a sequel. LOL Sega. When they backed out of console wars I thought it was a shrewd move, allowing them to focus on making great games. Then they stopped making great games. In retrospect, maybe they should have kept making hardware instead. Sega was the publisher, the game was made by Obsidian.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 3, 2017 12:22:34 GMT
LOL Sega. When they backed out of console wars I thought it was a shrewd move, allowing them to focus on making great games. Then they stopped making great games. In retrospect, maybe they should have kept making hardware instead. Sega was the publisher, the game was made by Obsidian. They should have stopped publishing too.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 3, 2017 12:25:50 GMT
Sega was the publisher, the game was made by Obsidian. They should have stopped publishing too. I agree, i mean Alien: Colonial Marines... whooboy... As much as some Mass Effect games were screwd up, theyre not bad games. Games like the above are.
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Post by corpusdei on Mar 3, 2017 12:33:17 GMT
People who think delays automatically will make the game better have forgotten previous games that got delayed. Remember when ME3 got delayed? Remember when DAI got delayed? Heck even Andromeda has already been delayed once. Delaying a game over and over again doesn't automatically mean it will become much better. (this is what happens when you reply to a post before getting to the last page of the thread)
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Post by corpusdei on Mar 3, 2017 12:38:21 GMT
Sega was the publisher, the game was made by Obsidian. They should have stopped publishing too. ... but mai Total Warz!
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Post by Gray Jedi on Mar 3, 2017 12:38:44 GMT
The press were positive about the game with most of the common complaints being facial animation issues and bugs from a unfinished and not final build.
How about you play the game or wait for reviews before saying the game that you have not even played or seen most of the content for needs more time.
Also delaying a game does not always mean a better product just ask colonial marines and duke nukem forever.
But what do i know i'm just a biodrone because i will actually give a game that's not even out yet a chance.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 3, 2017 12:46:23 GMT
Will people stop bringing up Duke Nukem and Alpha Protocol? It's a different situation. I'm not talking about delaying the game endlessly, I'm talking about how ME:A needed a couple more months in the oven to iron out bugs and facial animations.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 3, 2017 12:46:34 GMT
Were all giving the game a chance(at least the most of us, maybe not the likes of Smudboy or some that got really burned by the ME3 endings that they will n-e-v-e-r forgive them, or some crap like that), but if there are errors or things that seem to spell doom you can bet im going to complain about them. Ive been pretty lenient with this game but even my politeness has a limit, if I start to see issues or laziness in this AAA title that has been in the making for 5 years, im gonna call them out for it.
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 3, 2017 13:03:48 GMT
Depends from which perspective you look. If you're just concerned about bugs and poor performance, then yes, more time would help. However, if you're concerned about certain other things like some design choices, then nothing much would change. They designed the game they wanted, so even if you give them another year it would stay the same. Only time will tell if their choices will make the game enjoyable or not.
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 3, 2017 13:19:36 GMT
Because likes are everything in this dog eat dog world. As one of BSN's foremost authorities on Likes (see: bsn.boards.net/post/294448/thread ), and currently holding the lowest Post:Like Ratio on the entire forums (at the time of this posting, Post:Like Ratio of 0.1993243243243243:1, meaning that for every 0.1993243243243243 of a Post I make I get a Like), I can tell you that: 1 - Git moar Likes 2 - wavebend and Madflavor have valid concerns, as do many of us, and I Like their posts 3 - Their Post:Like Ratios are higher than the Ratios of unofficialgreycolor and General Aetius , so y'all got no room to talk about them "getting no Likes" 4 - It's not because we are "internet haters", it's because we want the game to be good but are afraid that it will have issues 5 - I have not preordered ME:A 6 - Preordering games encourages crappy game production, waiting until after release and making an informed decision does not make you any less of a fan 7 - Racism towards multiplayer fans is childish and absurd 8 - If you people hate social interaction so much, as evidenced by considering multiplayer modes retarded, then why are you on social forums? 9 - Not gonna name and shame but most of y'all's Post:Like Ratios are utterly horrendous. Maybe the problem lies within yourselves. I want to give you a like... but then I'd be adhering to the norm of the general masses. And that makes me uncomfortable. Read this with a sarcastic undertone before replying.
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Post by velvetstraitjacket on Mar 3, 2017 13:53:42 GMT
All this stress and anxiety, doomsday predictions... Praying ya'll don't go bald and get ulcers, tbh.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 3, 2017 14:12:27 GMT
Should've but wouldn't. I read somewhere that if the game was delayed from March this year it would be transfered to the next fiscal year and that even if it would release by holidays or something it would be kinda bad in other ways... for financial reasons I dunno.
I've already read that BioWare Montreal eroded company benefits by delaying the game internally too many times leaving EA management dissatisfied so... eh. We'll get a beta on the 21st/23rd and then by summer it'll feel like the product we were supposed to get.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 3, 2017 14:16:53 GMT
LOL Sega. When they backed out of console wars I thought it was a shrewd move, allowing them to focus on making great games. Then they stopped making great games. In retrospect, maybe they should have kept making hardware instead. Sega was the publisher, the game was made by Obsidian. Obsidian never made the company upscaling that BioWare was already attempting before the EA buyout I don't think. That's why AP was very crude.
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Post by kingjuly on Mar 3, 2017 15:08:51 GMT
At this stage I dont particularly agree that the game needed to be delayed. Assuming the day one patch fixes a majority of the issues we've seen in the gameplay footage and heard about from the preview event then I don't see much of an issue. As for the facial animation, that isn't a bug so it wouldn't exactly have improved all that much with an extra month. The best thing for the game would be to come out on the 21st. People seem to forget that a game doesn't need to be perfect. The things that this game could have done better will be improved upon in the next title (hopefully) and that's how the cycle continues. (insert Reaper "bwaaaa" here)
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 3, 2017 16:08:49 GMT
You must not be familiar with EA's modus operandi then. They have a long track record of this in recent times. But go ahead you can doubt all you want, but its true. Look it up. That is what happened. Plus you only have to play the game to quickly notice how rushed and cut-cornery the game was in many aspects. But originally EA wanted the game out for christmas 2011, but Casey and co managed to get a short delay, and even that wasnt enough. The fact of the matter is you simply cannot make a game of Mass Effect 3's size and scope, a game which was suppose to be the conclusion to an epic, huge, long running series, with all the bagage from the previous titles on top as well etc.. you cannot do all that in 2 or less years as they did and were forced to by EA's stupid manegment(think John Riccitiello, Peter Moore and the like). There's simply too much to do in such little time... and well history speaks for itself. We all know what happened. $$$$$ comes before everything else i guess. They should take heed of these words... "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad"-
Shigeru Miyamoto.
Like I said, this game has already been delayed.
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Post by degs29 on Mar 3, 2017 16:10:50 GMT
That's not necessarily calling it how it is. It's just calling it how it looks.
I agree though. It looks like they're really going to have to pull things together in the last hour to make a smooth launch. They probably could have benefited from an extra month or two, but EA really wouldn't have wanted to do that for financial reasons.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 3, 2017 16:16:52 GMT
People who think delays automatically will make the game better have forgotten previous games that got delayed. Remember when ME3 got delayed? Remember when DAI got delayed? Heck even Andromeda has already been delayed once. Delaying a game over and over again doesn't automatically mean it will become much better. I agree i mean, It got delayed, and delayed an delayed some more. The development was a mess and it got shifted between companies too, as i recall, and finally you had the finished product: Which turned out to be a steaming pile of unfunny shit. Also anyone remember this game: Looked really nice initially, with Mass Effect like action and cutscenes with similar kind of dialogue system, but in the end the whole product was subpar crap with a horrible AI. Why? Cause of bad management thats why. And there went any hope of it getting a sequel. Those games also had no real development team to speak off.
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Post by traks on Mar 3, 2017 16:19:05 GMT
Let's just make threads about things we know.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 3, 2017 16:25:50 GMT
They should have stopped publishing too. I agree, i mean Alien: Colonial Marines... whooboy... As much as some Mass Effect games were screwd up, theyre not bad games. Games like the above are. No, that was Gearbox Software's fault. They even stole A:CM funding that SEGA gave them to fund Borderlands Presequel instead. SEGA even sued them for that, but they lost the case because of some technicalities BS in contract.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 3, 2017 16:27:46 GMT
That's not necessarily calling it how it is. It's just calling it how it looks. I agree though. It looks like they're really going to have to pull things together in the last hour to make a smooth launch. They probably could have benefited from an extra month or two, but EA really wouldn't have wanted to do that for financial reasons. ME:A is in development for 4 years and has been delayed once already by half a year. With 75 million dollars budget without including marketing, I don't see how any more delays would help ME:A.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 3, 2017 16:28:54 GMT
I think the conclusion "They dont have Polished Gameplay to show" .. or "Because they didnt show a complete Side Quest with Cinematics and Dialoge means those Side quests maybe doesnt exist" almost borders on Paranoia.. sorry to say this.. I dont feel what we have seen so far has been THAT unpolished. The Facial Animations are propably simply what they are so we have to live with them.. And Stuff like the Flying Avenger Rifle is propably already been fixed. Also i get the strong feeling that someone in the Marketing Departement is really stubborn about the whole "Dont even spoil a tiny bit of Story". I read somewhere that every Sidequest is linked to the Main Quest someway. Maybe they are so protective about spoilers that they Feel even a smaller uneditted Side Quest will Spoil too much.. While it would be a small risk they should just show 30 Minutes of a small uncut Sidequest. Yeah they will be some minor Spoilers but i am 100% Sure most peoples concerns would be at least made alot less. The Witcher 3 had 37 Minutes of one of their best Side Quests out well before release. Yes it spoiled some minor stuff but it also gave a great representation of what exactly the Game will be like. They could easily do the same.. but somehow they are so overly protective even about small Spoilers... I have zero faith BioWare would get the same reception as CDPR did with showing that quest. Like you said it was probably one of the best side quests in the game. Now if BioWare was to show what could be considered one of the better side quests in the game I would expect a response like this "BioWare intentionally misled us by showing one of the better side quests in the game to con us into buying a horrible game with stupid side quests" or something along those lines. That is why I have stopped even bothering to try and compare the two for CDPR is a lot like Bethesda until Fallout 4 when neither company could do any wrong, but BioWare people seem to thrive on finding reasons to complain about what BioWare is doing.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 3, 2017 20:09:53 GMT
The press were positive about the game with most of the common complaints being facial animation issues and bugs from a unfinished and not final build. How about you play the game or wait for reviews before saying the game that you have not even played or seen most of the content for needs more time. Also delaying a game does not always mean a better product just ask colonial marines and duke nukem forever. But what do i know i'm just a biodrone because i will actually give a game that's not even out yet a chance. I wont give it a chance. I will let others do that. I am done buying day one from Bioware.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Mar 3, 2017 20:14:32 GMT
I'm comfortable with it being released as is. Sure it's not perfect, but I'd rather play an imperfect game than have it be stuck in development hell forever.
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