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Post by Sifr on Jul 22, 2018 22:54:59 GMT
And when he wasn't burdened with the enormous drag of Clara being around, desperately trying to be "the Doctor" instead of him, while the plot contrived reasons why she was the most important woman in the Doctor's life/universe... y'know, when Moffat the show actually remembered that Peter Capaldi was meant to be playing the Doctor, not Jenna Coleman. Capaldi was great as the Doctor, but he deserved far better writing than what he was frequently given and not to be sidelined for his own companion half the time.
I hated Clara because, yes, the show became about her and how "special" she was. Was very glad when she bit it, not so very happy when she was brought back like, next episode. I had the same issue with Amy Pond. The show was about her, not the Doctor.
I don't think Amy was subjected to nearly the amount of character shilling that Clara (or Rose before here) received. As Eleven mentions in their penultimate episodes together, Amy was the first person he encountered in that regeneration, so she held a special place in his hearts. The cracks in the universe throughout S5 also seemed to centre around her and we see several times that the Doctor felt responsible for screwing up her entire childhood, due to her obsession with her "imaginary" friend making everyone think she was crazy (and causing her to go through four psychologists).
Eleventh's protectiveness towards Amy therefore was fitting, because she was screwed up and it was all his fault. His entire confession to her in "God Complex" revolves around Eleven breaking the illusion that he's worthy of her misplaced devotion and apologising for what he put her through.
The difference between how the show handled Amy compared to Clara is that Amy's faults were presented and acknowledged, whereas Clara's were only barely acknowledged and often ignored or downplayed immediately afterwards.
She spent most of Series 8 being borderline abusive to the Twelfth Doctor (initially rejecting him for not being Eleven and then constantly bickering with him all season), then engaged in self-destructive behaviour throughout S9 and the show/writers never seemed to be aware of how unhealthy or toxic this relationship had become.
Only the Master and Ashildr ever call out how the relationship between the Doctor and Clara was, which might suggest it was intentional.... but if so, that doesn't explain the constant shilling of Clara as the most important companion or friendship the Doctor had ever had elsewhere?
It'd have been nicer if they'd let Clara leave at the end of S8 and introduced Bill in S9. Bill was a nice change of pace, although she was never really developed beyond basic character bullet points and lacked any sort of arc.
And no, going off with Heather doesn't count, because they knew each other for all of five minutes before Heather was killed and turned into a puddle-jumper. Heather coming back and saving Bill at the end didn't mean anything, because were was zero relationship between these two beyond a Meet Cute cut tragically short.
It'd be like if Rose was saved in "Doomsday" by the Blue Mechanic Chick she met in the "The End of the World", the connection being drawn is that thin. Bill and Heather barely spent any significant time together to establish any sort of relationship, so why should the audience care when Heather returns? Phew, that got a little more ranty than I intended it to be... hopefully Jodie's run on the show has less problems.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 10, 2018 10:50:14 GMT
Well, Series 11 has come to an end, barring the New Year's special. I probably will regret asking... but what's everyone's opinion of how it fared? 
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 10, 2018 13:12:40 GMT
I liked it.
I'm in two minds about whether the season contained an 'instant classic' episode but there were some really good ones. The worst episodes weren't as bad as some of the previous seasons' worst episodes.
Very happy with 13 as the Doctor.
Roll on season 12...
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 10, 2018 16:25:59 GMT
How much stock do we place in people leaving?is the director really being forced out and does Whitaker have an opt out if he leaves?
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Post by Sifr on Dec 11, 2018 6:43:02 GMT
I overall like Jodie and the Thirteenth Doctor.
However I do worry that the writers may have been playing it a little safe with her, which has resulted in her coming across as a little too nice for her own good. Being laid back and friendly is fine, but it needs to be balanced out with those little glimpses that beneath the surface, the Doctor is perfectly capable of bringing down a world of pain for all eternity on those who cross her.
Another issue is that I think they're going for her Doctor seeming a little scatterbrained (which I don't mind), but the writing sometimes instead makes it seem more like she's easily lost, confused or overwhelmed by the situation, which unfortunately can come across as ineptitude. They really need to write her more as being on top of things, even if she's flying by the seat of her pants.
Most of these problems seem more prevalent in Chibnall's scripts, so I don't know if it's bad writing or that they've still not really worked out how to write for Jodie yet? She's brilliant and I have zero complaints about her performance, but the writing is seriously letting her down at times.
(I had the same issue with the Twelfth Doctor. I loved the character and Capaldi's performance, but his run often suffered from iffy writing/stories, because it was clear that Moffat had run out of ideas by that point. Like Jodie now, he deserved better.)
Not sure if the rumours are true that Chibnall might be leaving after S12, but if so, I hope they aren't also true that Jodie may be leaving with him. If they need a new showrunner or headwriter, sobeit, but I'd prefer she remains because I'm really enjoying her as the Doctor.
Hopefully they'll iron out the kinks by S12, so none of that will be necessary anyway.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 25, 2018 12:09:33 GMT
What I did like in season 11 was the characters. Jodie is pretty good as Doctor and I do like the companions. The writing is sometimes a bit weak, a problem, I had with some episodes of Eleven too. I hope, they fix that.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 2, 2019 6:04:30 GMT
Does anyone else feel like Yaz is getting a bit of the short stick? Ryan and Graham had a lot of the focus and character development in S11 (at times, it felt more than the Doctor herself got), but in comparison, Yaz seems to be... just there. Sometimes she says something useful or sparks a lightbulb moment for the Doctor, but then you have instances where she suggested "reversing the polarity", which the Doctor acted like she'd not thought of... despite this being her go-to tech solution since her third incarnation? Does this not seem like a bit of a disservice to both characters, that the only way they can think to make Yaz useful is for her to say smart things, which makes the Doctor look dumb in comparison for not having already worked out?
Even Yaz being a copper doesn't seem to barely amount to anything. The show seems to largely forget she's one in situations when it might be useful ("Arachnids in the UK"), but then when the episode does require her to engage cop-mode, she fails to announce her position to anyone, which makes it strange people listen to her instructions? The New Year's special really made these problems stand out; She barely had anything to do in the episode. Her role as a police officer involved "quarantining" the scene by shoeing the two archaeologists out (while not even mentioning she was a cop), then she was pretty much killing time for the rest of the episode.
Even more jarring is that the archaeologist hijacked by the Dalek proceeded to steal a cop's uniform and squad car, then break into a secure facility, which surely would have made just as much sense (if not more) if they'd instead had Yaz be in her place? It would have tied back into her job, not to mention, given her something to do.
And story-wise, Yaz being on the scene of the archaeological dig would have fit, because the police are usually informed whenever any unexpected bodies are found during digs, simply to rule out whether or not it's a recent burial or not. There's nothing inherently wrong with her character, but I wish they'd give her something to do? 
(Once again, my criticism mostly boils down to the writing being incredibly shoddy this season)
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Post by melbella on Jan 12, 2019 20:34:49 GMT
my criticism mostly boils down to the writing being incredibly shoddy this season Would tend to agree with this. No episode really stood out, and the first few seemed to be going out of their way to be extra preachy. Seriously, "Blink" still gives me the creeps. We need more episodes like that. (or maybe just more David Tennant) 
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Post by Sifr on Jan 14, 2019 2:45:58 GMT
Would tend to agree with this. No episode really stood out, and the first few seemed to be going out of their way to be extra preachy. Seriously, "Blink" still gives me the creeps. We need more episodes like that. (or maybe just more David Tennant)  "Blink" is such a great Doctor Who episode, you barely notice the Doctor's barely in it!
Although to be honest, the way Chibbers has been writing Thirteen half the time makes it seem like "the Doctor" barely was in S11 either.
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Post by Coronavirus on Feb 9, 2019 20:28:08 GMT
I love this new Doctor Who, she is so fresh and vibrant and totally amazing! I never watched Doctor Who before but now that there is a kick ass woman as the Time Lord I decided to give it a shot...oh boy I was not disappointed. Will she be here for a while? I don’t want them to change her.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 10, 2019 1:29:45 GMT
I love this new Doctor Who, she is so fresh and vibrant and totally amazing! I never watched Doctor Who before but now that there is a kick ass woman as the Time Lord I decided to give it a shot...oh boy I was not disappointed. Will she be here for a while? I don’t want them to change her. She's doing at least one more series - beyond that, we don't know, but all the post-2005 Doctors except Eccleston have done three. So if I were a betting woman, I'd bet on getting two more series of Jodie but no more than that.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 3, 2019 8:17:29 GMT
She's doing at least one more series - beyond that, we don't know, but all the post-2005 Doctors except Eccleston have done three. So if I were a betting woman, I'd bet on getting two more series of Jodie but no more than that. Eccleston revealed recently that he was apparently down for doing a second series.
It was only his conflicts with BBC producers and executives over the tone/direction of the show that made him decide to walk away after only doing one. That's part of why his regeneration was so quick compared to the overblown, overly-drawn-out ones we got with subsequent Doctors, because it really was tacked onto the episode at the last minute.
Apparently he lost his faith in the showrunners during the first block of filming, which consisted of Rose, Aliens of London and World War III. Can't really blame him, if the first stuff I filmed as the Doctor involved plastic dummies and painfully unfunny fart gags, I'd feel the same way.
It's a real shame though that we never got more from the Ninth Doctor, due to all this behind the scenes drama. It worked out for the show in the end, because we ended up with the incredible Tenth Doctor, but at the end of the day, the Ninth Doctor is probably my Doctor.
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Post by wickedcool on Mar 13, 2019 13:48:43 GMT
Anyone else seeing a lot of bad wolf bumper stickers lately?
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 13, 2019 21:05:34 GMT
She's doing at least one more series - beyond that, we don't know, but all the post-2005 Doctors except Eccleston have done three. So if I were a betting woman, I'd bet on getting two more series of Jodie but no more than that. Eccleston revealed recently that he was apparently down for doing a second series.
It was only his conflicts with BBC producers and executives over the tone/direction of the show that made him decide to walk away after only doing one. That's part of why his regeneration was so quick compared to the overblown, overly-drawn-out ones we got with subsequent Doctors, because it really was tacked onto the episode at the last minute.
Apparently he lost his faith in the showrunners during the first block of filming, which consisted of Rose, Aliens of London and World War III. Can't really blame him, if the first stuff I filmed as the Doctor involved plastic dummies and painfully unfunny fart gags, I'd feel the same way.
It's a real shame though that we never got more from the Ninth Doctor, due to all this behind the scenes drama. It worked out for the show in the end, because we ended up with the incredible Tenth Doctor, but at the end of the day, the Ninth Doctor is probably my Doctor.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 14, 2019 13:01:51 GMT
He gave an interview last year where he finally came forward with the real reasons why he left, now that there's been a change of the guard at the Beeb and enough time has passed that he's finally comfortable talking about it. "My relationship with my three immediate superiors - the showrunner, the producer and the co-producer - broke down irreparably during the first block of film and it never recovered. They lost trust in me, and I lost faith and trust and belief in them.
Some of my anger about the situation came from my own insecurity. They employed someone who was not a natural light comedian. Billie, who we know is and was brilliant, was very, very nervous and very, very inexperienced. So, you had that, and then you had me. Very, very experienced, possibly the most experienced out of it, but out of my comfort zone.
When I left, I came my word to Russell T. Davies that I wouldn't do anything to damage the show. But they did things to damage me. I didn't criticise anybody."According to him, after his relationship broke down with the BBC, they effectively blacklisted him. He might be exaggerating, but that does seem to align with a few strange things I've noticed over the years. It'd explain why he was absent from British telly for over a decade and turned to doing film projects instead during that time. Why the Ninth Doctor's run was rarely, if ever, repeated on BBC3 or iPlayer (even back when there were only 4 series in total), because someone at the BBC had an axe to grind with him. And why both he and the producers were always so vague on the exact reason why he left, claiming at various times it was because he wanted to avoid typecasting or only wanted to do one series. It was reported a while back that one of the reasons he didn't come back for the 50th was because he'd wanted them to use a director he'd worked with during his tenure... which in hindsight, sounds far more reasonable of a request, if he didn't really feel comfortable working with the BBC again without someone in his corner?
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Post by mousestalker on May 6, 2022 20:35:16 GMT
The BBC is restarting the series again (maybe). So what are everyone's thoughts?
What they ought to do is retcon the retcon and start the new series with the new Doctor trying to undo the damage caused by (insert new villain here) who caused the mess. If they are really clever, they'd hire Karen Gillan to play the new Doctor. That would serve several purposes. It would redeem the idea of a female Doctor, she's good at both action and comedy, and she's a recognizable star familiar with the franchise. It would also set up a series of jokes relating to her identity.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on May 8, 2022 14:50:33 GMT
New Doctor dropped!
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Post by mousestalker on May 8, 2022 18:03:54 GMT
That may be good. The big question is how will they resolve all of the continuity problems and will the writing improve? The last season was a bit of a disaster.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 9, 2022 8:35:02 GMT
That may be good. The big question is how will they resolve all of the continuity problems and will the writing improve? The last season was a bit of a 9isaster. Well next series will be a new/old writer, Russell T Davies, responsible for the 2005 revamp and onwards until Chris Chibnall took over, so may be he can get it back on track. Ncuti Gatwa was his choice.
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Post by Heimdall on May 23, 2022 0:30:21 GMT
That may be good. The big question is how will they resolve all of the continuity problems and will the writing improve? The last season was a bit of a 9isaster. Well next series will be a new/old writer, Russell T Davies, responsible for the 2005 revamp and onwards until Chris Chibnall took over, so may be he can get it back on track. Ncuti Gatwa was his choice. oof, poor Steven Moffat
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