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Post by fiannawolf on Jul 17, 2017 21:59:39 GMT
The thing about Flashes: Which era do you mean? Current Flash? Earth 2 Society Flash, Rebirth Flash, Stuck in the Speed Force Flash....there are many Flashes, each with their own quirks and personalities. Plus they didnt steal the mantle from one another.
Hmmm.....which thing to link to explain this better:
It would appear that Dr. Who experiences this every time the main person/companion changes.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 21:59:58 GMT
I didn't, but I'm clearly referring to a plurality of posters here. But I'll ask you directly then. Do you think it's a ploy? Like I said at the beginning I don't care. So resorting to an ambiguous non-answer aside, why is it a concern for you that you bring this up? Because you clearly do care about the implications of having a female doctor on the scale of it being some kind of statement. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:02:16 GMT
Doctor Who has never been totally pro-capitalist (which is fair, they've never been totally pro-collectivist either. Just ask the Cybermen.) To the rest, I didn't see an issue with that. I was more concerned about her decisions in the story (i.e. letting humanity get enslaved against the Doctor's wishes) or how Moffet can't man up and kill a character, while basically repeating what happened to Clara last season.To be honest, why should it matter what economic bent some sci-fi show takes? If that's the case, write a fanfic where Gordon Gecko and John Galt team up to fight alien zombies or something. Someday, they'll make the cyberman sympathetic in a similar way to the Daleks. They've already done that. Not in the way you would think. In fact, the way I see it, Doctor Who has always been a program about the ascendance of the individual, with the Doctor being a person who has proclaimed that he's never met a person who didn't matter in some way. I honestly think your assessment is bunk. |
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Post by Draining Dragon on Jul 17, 2017 22:02:39 GMT
Barry Allen? Jay Garrick? Never heard of 'em. The only true Flash is Wally West.  |
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jul 17, 2017 22:03:31 GMT
So was Pepper Potts when she was called Iron Woman. Like Pepper and Batgirl and Supergirl and Aquagirl and Hawkgirl and before her, Riri herself goes by a distinct variation of the Iron Man name.It's a dumb variation, but still a variation. Supergirl wasn't the female version of Superman as they didn't replace Superman's character with her though. They did, however, do so with other characters I mentioned (Captain Marvel as early as the 80s). My point isn't that you should be cool with replacements, because I actually couldn't care less. It's that you're wrong when you frame this as recent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:04:03 GMT
Someday, they'll make the cyberman sympathetic in a similar way to the Daleks. In fact, the way I see it, Doctor Who has always been a program about the ascendance of the individual, with the Doctor being a person who has proclaimed that he's never met a person who didn't matter in some way. I honestly think your assessment is bunk. With the Mondas Cyberman, yes but not with the Cybrus cybermen though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:05:42 GMT
Barry Allen? Jay Garrick? Never heard of 'em. The only true Flash is Wally West. And Wally West is the Kid Flash. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:07:17 GMT
Supergirl wasn't the female version of Superman as they didn't replace Superman's character with her though. They did, however, do so with other characters I mentioned (Captain Marvel as early as the 80s). My point isn't that you should be cool with replacements, because I actually couldn't care less. It's that you're wrong when you frame this as recent. I don't remember mentioning or even implying this was a recent thing. |
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 17, 2017 22:09:10 GMT
Barry Allen? Jay Garrick? Never heard of 'em. The only true Flash is Wally West. When you're right, you're right. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:09:31 GMT
And if you question this casting you're seen as a sexist person determined to bring down entertainment. The funny thing is that anybody who has been a Doctor Who fan for a while knows that we always have this little freak out every time a new Doctor is announced. Before it was that Peter Capaldi was a bad fit for the Doctor, or Matt Smith was way too young and unknown of an actor, etc. I still never quite got the dislike for Capaldi. To me, he's been brilliant and redefined the role in a good way. I see him as a classical anti-hero, but in doing so, making him more of a classic hero that is fundamentally less self-absorbed than the 10th and 11th Doctors. Of course, as I said, I think a lot of the dislike for Capaldi came from angry teenaged-girls that were upset that Matt Smith was leaving and that they couldn't ship Clara Oswald with an old guy. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:10:30 GMT
They've already done that. Not in the way you would think. In fact, the way I see it, Doctor Who has always been a program about the ascendance of the individual, with the Doctor being a person who has proclaimed that he's never met a person who didn't matter in some way. I honestly think your assessment is bunk. With the Mondas Cyberman, yes but not with the Cybrus cybermen though. Ok man, now you're just splitting bananas. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:11:46 GMT
Barry Allen? Jay Garrick? Never heard of 'em. The only true Flash is Wally West. This'll be my most controversial statement for sure. DC sucks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:12:10 GMT
With the Mondas Cyberman, yes but not with the Cybrus cybermen though. Ok man, now you're just splitting bananas. They aren't the same thing you know. |
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 17, 2017 22:16:52 GMT
Barry Allen? Jay Garrick? Never heard of 'em. The only true Flash is Wally West. This'll be my most controversial statement for sure. DC sucks.
In terms of movies, sure, and I don't know about comics, but DCAU >>> any Marvel-related animation. |
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Post by fiannawolf on Jul 17, 2017 22:20:10 GMT
The sales of DC Comics seem to negate the statement of "DC sucks."
I'd go back to Marvel for some titles if they got the Cosmic side of the House back in order. But I digress:
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jul 17, 2017 22:23:34 GMT
They did, however, do so with other characters I mentioned (Captain Marvel as early as the 80s). My point isn't that you should be cool with replacements, because I actually couldn't care less. It's that you're wrong when you frame this as recent. I don't remember mentioning or even implying this was a recent thing. So when you called it an "SJW hole that Marvel is currently following..." that was intended to describe a half century of comic book tradition? |
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Post by Draining Dragon on Jul 17, 2017 22:24:49 GMT
This'll be my most controversial statement for sure. DC sucks.
I don't know about movies and comics, but DCAU >>> any Marvel-related animation. I haven't read that many comics outside of The Amazing Spider-Man. However, I'm going to say that DC has better TV shows (animated and live action) while Marvel has better movies. I like both of them. My favorite superhero is Spider-Man, but my second favorite is Batman. On topic: I think it's clear if you look at all the successful "replacements" of old characters that it can be done either very well or very poorly, with not much in between. You can take advantage of nostalgia and brand recognition, but you also risk angering the fans by degrading their beloved characters. With regards to Doctor Who, this casting choice seems consistent with the lore (I don't know much about it myself, so I'll just trust the fans in that regard) and it's really too early to tell how they're going to handle it. It could conceivably go either way. The fans will just have to wait and see. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:28:35 GMT
Ok man, now you're just splitting bananas. They aren't the same thing you know. No shit I know, I'm saying that you're griping about how you think that non-Mondesian Cybermen are going to be defiled by some kind of anti-capitalist ideology to make them sympathetic. It's just plain weird. |
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Post by Cyonan on Jul 17, 2017 22:28:40 GMT
The funny thing is that anybody who has been a Doctor Who fan for a while knows that we always have this little freak out every time a new Doctor is announced. Before it was that Peter Capaldi was a bad fit for the Doctor, or Matt Smith was way too young and unknown of an actor, etc. I still never quite got the dislike for Capaldi. To me, he's been brilliant and redefined the role in a good way. I see him as a classical anti-hero, but in doing so, making him more of a classic hero that is fundamentally less self-absorbed than the 10th and 11th Doctors. Of course, as I said, I think a lot of the dislike for Capaldi came from angry teenaged-girls that were upset that Matt Smith was leaving and that they couldn't ship Clara Oswald with an old guy. I think a lot of the hate for Capaldi came from him being such a departure from the other Doctors of the rebooted series. That and to be honest S8 was a pretty weak season, though admittedly through no fault of Capaldi(but that wont stop people from not liking his version of the doctor because of it). Personally despite a weak start, I ended up liking Capaldi more than Smith. |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:32:08 GMT
The sales of DC Comics seem to negate the statement of "DC sucks." They can sell a hundred million copies a day and make over $1 Billion with every film and they would suck no less in my opinion mate. I'm not saying that because I'm a Marvel fan. So far as I can tell, I said literally nothing about Marvel until this very paragraph. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:33:07 GMT
I don't remember mentioning or even implying this was a recent thing. So when you called it an "SJW hole that Marvel is currently following..." that was intended to describe a half century of comic book tradition? Yet again, i didn't insinuate it was a recent trend. Also, Marvel's been following that path for quite some time anyhow. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:35:54 GMT
They aren't the same thing you know. No shit I know, I'm saying that you're griping about how you think that non-Mondesian Cybermen are going to be defiled by some kind of anti-capitalist ideology to make them sympathetic. It's just plain weird. Wait, what exactly did you mean by 'not the reasons i think?' what did you think i was insinuating? |
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:37:17 GMT
"Potentially" depending on what? If it's the act of permanently replacing a male character in a role that tarnishes that role, then it shouldn't matter who you replace them with. Are we talking about the Doctor Who thing? Because my comment was much more general in nature. With the Doctor at the very least it makes sense considering, but the Doctor is more of an exception in that.
I was referring to taking a character like a super hero for example, changing their gender (or their skin color I suppose, or sexuality, etc.) to fit some kind of "diversity" quota. Essentially, if there's really no other reason to do that besides wanting more diversity, you shouldn't.
Because not only is this kind of "diversity" retarded and is basically reverse bigotry, you are slapping your fans in the face for no good reason.
As I said before, you can have interesting characters from diverse backgrounds, or you can have "diversity characters", those are two entirely different things.
... Can you say for sure if that's the case? And where are you drawing the line between your own definitions of characters? Because it seems that your line is rather arbitrary, particularly without examples (which is fair, since there generally are few examples to begin with.) Otherwise... REVERSE BIGOTRY for the WIN!!!! |
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 17, 2017 22:38:07 GMT
"Potentially" depending on what? If it's the act of permanently replacing a male character in a role that tarnishes that role, then it shouldn't matter who you replace them with. Are we talking about the Doctor Who thing? Because my comment was much more general in nature. With the Doctor at the very least it makes sense considering, but the Doctor is more of an exception in that.
I was referring to taking a character like a super hero for example, changing their gender (or their skin color I suppose, or sexuality, etc.) to fit some kind of "diversity" quota. Essentially, if there's really no other reason to do that besides wanting more diversity, you shouldn't.
Because not only is this kind of "diversity" retarded and is basically reverse bigotry, you are slapping your fans in the face for no good reason.
As I said before, you can have interesting characters from diverse backgrounds, or you can have "diversity characters", those are two entirely different things.
I was actually talking about it as a general thing as well, with characters like The Flash, Green Lantern, Robin, Green Goblin, Ant-man, etc being legacy characters that are passed down from character to character, sometimes to the extent of people forgetting who is even the "original."
What exactly is the difference between replacing Hank Pym with Scott Lang as Ant-Man and replacing Tony Stark with Riri Williams as Iron Man? What makes one acceptable and the other not? Would they need a reason beyond "we want to change things up" if they had replaced Tony Stark with a white guy instead of a black girl?
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