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Post by Reznore on Aug 14, 2016 7:52:30 GMT
DAI got an ending. The DLC is an epilogue.
I'm not going to talk fair or unfair .I mean DLCs are a slippery slope , some company just go way overboard with DLCs stuff , some others not so much. In the case of DAI , you've got a 100 hours game , wether you enjoyed it or not , there is still around 100 hours worth of content .It's the type of game I don't mind paying full price for. There was no way they could have done Trespasser during the main game.(with John Epler having to do last minute crunch time to finish the cinematics of the Iron Bull romance ...Trespasser in DAI would have been a 10 minutes affair, I very much doubt they had the manpower/time to do it)
I didn't mind having an epilogue DLC at all.But I could afford it (I imagine for people who could afford DAI but not Trespasser , it sucked.And if they didn't wait for the game of the year edition it sucks too) The second point that wasn't so good was the old gen players couldn't get the DLC. This was bad. Suddenly to get the epilogue you had to buy a pc or a new console...
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Post by Panda on Aug 14, 2016 7:58:41 GMT
It's unfair in my books. I don't think DLCs should have parts of main plot in them, they should be something nice you can play without. Trespasser is completely must have, without it you won't even know that Solas was villain and behind whole main plot of DAI. It's quite infuriating that they made people pay for ending/epilogue of the game and even locked it out on some platforms.
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Post by Domakir on Aug 14, 2016 8:23:19 GMT
It's unfair in my books. I don't think DLCs should have parts of main plot in them, they should be something nice you can play without. Trespasser is completely must have, without it you won't even know that Solas was villain and behind whole main plot of DAI. It's quite infuriating that they made people pay for ending/epilogue of the game and even locked it out on some platforms. You already know he is a villain at the end when he 'kills' Flemeth/Mythal. The unfair part for me is that you can't have answers or know anything about his plan if you don't play the DLC especially if there's people who just don't want to buy any DLCs (even if they are good).
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Post by Aetika on Aug 14, 2016 8:24:33 GMT
I think they couldn´t do it any other way. Tresspasser works as awesome ending, but it would ruin the flow of narrative had it been part of the game by default. The game culminated with defeating Corypheus, you had your victorious return and bye bye party. You watch sunset with or without your love interest as things calm down. I can´t imagine suddenly being told to play additional 8 or 10 hours of game, packed with new plot and pretty lore changing theme and then digest another ending and another emotional bye bye. I guess it´s similar argument as to why Scouring of Shire was not included in Return of the King.
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Post by Panda on Aug 14, 2016 8:49:36 GMT
It's unfair in my books. I don't think DLCs should have parts of main plot in them, they should be something nice you can play without. Trespasser is completely must have, without it you won't even know that Solas was villain and behind whole main plot of DAI. It's quite infuriating that they made people pay for ending/epilogue of the game and even locked it out on some platforms. You already know he is a villain at the end when he 'kills' Flemeth/Mythal. The unfair part for me is that you can't have answers or know anything about his plan if you don't play the DLC especially if there's people who just don't want to buy any DLCs (even if they are good). Idk, that was quite shocking revelation for sure, but Flemeth has been quite grey character herself so Solas killing her wasn't quite villainous moment to me as it was grey. But reveal that Solas was behind Corypheus making breach happen and that he wants to tear veil down himself and destroy current world are pretty villainous to me. I don't think such reveals should be behind DLC.
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Post by BountyhunterGER on Aug 14, 2016 8:50:34 GMT
Hm, I saw a lot of complaints of people who did not want to buy the other dlcs because they contributed almost nothing to the main story (understandable). Then a dlc that has to do with the main quest and now other people complain that they "locked the ending in dlc" (also understandable). Seems to me that whatever they do someone will see it as unfair/ bad.
To me Tresspasser was more of an epilogue- than an ending- dlc. It's one of my favourite bioware dlcs (Bioware games are one of the few games I like to buy dlc for) today and I'm glad that I bought it.
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Post by Domakir on Aug 14, 2016 9:22:57 GMT
You already know he is a villain at the end when he 'kills' Flemeth/Mythal. The unfair part for me is that you can't have answers or know anything about his plan if you don't play the DLC especially if there's people who just don't want to buy any DLCs (even if they are good). Idk, that was quite shocking revelation for sure, but Flemeth has been quite grey character herself so Solas killing her wasn't quite villainous moment to me as it was grey. But reveal that Solas was behind Corypheus making breach happen and that he wants to tear veil down himself and destroy current world are pretty villainous to me. I don't think such reveals should be behind DLC. I must say I have mixed feelings about this. It's odd that they left that part (an important one) for a DLC which makes me think that maybe they didn't have the time to put it in the base game.
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Post by Aetika on Aug 14, 2016 9:25:32 GMT
Idk, that was quite shocking revelation for sure, but Flemeth has been quite grey character herself so Solas killing her wasn't quite villainous moment to me as it was grey. But reveal that Solas was behind Corypheus making breach happen and that he wants to tear veil down himself and destroy current world are pretty villainous to me. I don't think such reveals should be behind DLC. I must say I have mixed feelings about this. It's odd that they left that part (an important one) for a DLC which makes me think that maybe they didn't have the time to put it in the base game. They still might include it into opening of DA4. At least I would expect them to.
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Post by Domakir on Aug 14, 2016 9:30:59 GMT
I must say I have mixed feelings about this. It's odd that they left that part (an important one) for a DLC which makes me think that maybe they didn't have the time to put it in the base game. They still might include it into opening of DA4. At least I would expect them to. What do you mean? Sorry. I just woke up and I need my coffee.
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Post by Aetika on Aug 14, 2016 9:41:47 GMT
The summary of what happened in Tresspasser. I would believe they include it into opening of Dragon Age 4. So people who didn´t get to play the dlc would get their reveal about Solas and what he did.
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Post by patches on Aug 14, 2016 9:45:27 GMT
I think they couldn´t do it any other way. Tresspasser works as awesome ending, but it would ruin the flow of narrative had it been part of the game by default. The game culminated with defeating Corypheus, you had your victorious return and bye bye party. You watch sunset with or without your love interest as things calm down. I can´t imagine suddenly being told to play additional 8 or 10 hours of game, packed with new plot and pretty lore changing theme and then digest another ending and another emotional bye bye. I guess it´s similar argument as to why Scouring of Shire was not included in Return of the King. The Solas is Fen'Harel and behind everything reveal could have easily happened at the Temple of Mythal and imo the game would be better for having a shocking twist like that. He's one of the elven gods so the Inquisitor killing him wouldn't have to stick if the writers didn't want it to. The main game wraps up the Inquisitor's story and the scene with Solas and Flemythal just adds something for the second playthrough but Trespasser strongly links the Inquisitor to stopping Solas. I can't imagine BW actually changing their formula so that DA4 is a dual protagonist game but I can't see the Inquisitor not playing an active part in defeating him either.
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Post by Panda on Aug 14, 2016 10:11:59 GMT
Idk, that was quite shocking revelation for sure, but Flemeth has been quite grey character herself so Solas killing her wasn't quite villainous moment to me as it was grey. But reveal that Solas was behind Corypheus making breach happen and that he wants to tear veil down himself and destroy current world are pretty villainous to me. I don't think such reveals should be behind DLC. I must say I have mixed feelings about this. It's odd that they left that part (an important one) for a DLC which makes me think that maybe they didn't have the time to put it in the base game. That's very much possible, they did seems to rush out DAI after all.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 14, 2016 10:18:50 GMT
That's very much possible, they did seems to rush out DAI after all. I disagree. They delayed it an entire year, and then delayed it again a couple months after that. That's not rushing a game out.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 14, 2016 10:29:38 GMT
The main game wraps up the Inquisitor's story and the scene with Solas and Flemythal just adds something for the second playthrough but Trespasser strongly links the Inquisitor to stopping Solas. I can't imagine BW actually changing their formula so that DA4 is a dual protagonist game but I can't see the Inquisitor not playing an active part in defeating him either. I really hope they will throw away that idiotic new protagonist every game 'rule' and have the Inquisitor as the protagonist again, at least for the Solas plot. The setup will not work if they use a new character or if they have the Inquisitor as a NPC. If they just write off the Inquisitor, Trespasser will hold the distinction of the DLC that ruined two Bioware games for me, DAI and DA4.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 14, 2016 10:36:09 GMT
Added a poll to the OP to assess fairness or unfairness.
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Post by Wulfram on Aug 14, 2016 11:45:50 GMT
Trespasser is more teaser for DA4 than ending for DAI.
I don't think people considered DAI incomplete before Trespasser existed.
edit: Except for Solas romancers perhaps, who had a greater degree of unfinished business. But then, the business is basically still unfinished, Quizzie is just a bit more informed.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 14, 2016 11:52:03 GMT
Unfair. Just as in the DA2.
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Post by Domakir on Aug 14, 2016 11:54:17 GMT
Except for Solas romancers perhaps, who had a greater degree of unfinished business. But then, the business is basically still unfinished, Quizzie is just a bit more informed. It's kinda like Morrigan in DAO although WH ended well imo.
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Post by Masque on Aug 14, 2016 14:10:16 GMT
I think it was a bit unfair (especially to last gen console users) and my reasoning is this: Cory's reign of terror did get wrapped up at the end of the base game, however the Inquisition itself did not reach its conclusion until the conclave in Trespasser. And unlike Legacy in DA2 - where there was an insinuation that Cory would reappear and wreak havoc, Trespasser establishes concretely that Solas is, love him or hate him, the Sword of Damocles looming over Thedas.
So if you didn't get the dlc you would only know who Solas actually is; you would have no idea what his plans are and what kind of threat he poses. Your Inquisition would never meet it's conclusion as you would never get the opportunity to disband it or hand it off to the Divine.
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Post by kino on Aug 14, 2016 16:57:01 GMT
I don't know if I'd call it "unfair", unless you were playing through DAI on a PS3 or XB360. As a conclusion I could've gone with it or without it, though it did provide better story endings for each member of the Inquisitor's party.
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Post by Beregond5 on Aug 14, 2016 17:06:08 GMT
I'd go with fair. Granted, some questions were left 'unanswered' for lack of a better word, but nothing that seemed crucial for the sake of *this* game. Trespasser was more like leaving some seeds to prepare the ground for the next game. As the game is now, it has closure even without it.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Aug 14, 2016 17:09:20 GMT
Definitely unfair. DAI was a failure as a whole.
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Aug 14, 2016 17:23:36 GMT
I think that's a bit unfair but I don't think they could've added Trespasser's plot in the main game. Still I don't think that's completely fair. They made a similar thing by adding Cory. I mean, I didn't like they made Corypheus main villain in DA:I because I didn't play Legacy and while everyone in the game was shouting "Noo, it's Corypheus but how?" I was like "Am I supposed to know who Corypheus is?" Hopefully the same won't happen in the future.
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Post by nfi42 on Aug 14, 2016 17:34:31 GMT
Definitely unfair, but so was the DLC in DA2 as well as the practice of having important back story in Books. ie Cole and Michel de Chevin.
I will now only buy Bioware games after all the dlc has dropped and been released as an individual package.
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