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Post by michaeln7 on Oct 8, 2020 5:56:49 GMT
I do have to admit, I really didn't care for all the 'new' spartans either. Spartan IIs were trained and built to save humanity (even from ourselves if need be). Wereas the IIIs & IVs are basically roided out jocks with anime One-Punch Man levels of power against entire Covenant battalions. You do realize that’s how the Spartan IIs were against the Covenant too right? In terms of a single one or a squad devastating their forces? They were seen as Demons for a reason. You both have a point. The "original" Spartans were a **We are about to become extinct, this is our one chance to avoid that** In my opinion, it's what makes Dr. Halsey such a compelling character; she has done some really dark things, BUT she is arguably the primary reason Humanity as a whole still exists. The "next-gen" Spartans we can see aren't as strong as the originals, but you can 'make' more of them in less time. Put in other military terms, a dozen elite soldiers are more effective than one exceptional soldier (in the general sense), no matter how legendary his exploits. It's also worth noting that the other Spartans don't have Cortana (whether that's a good or bad thing is dependent on timeline, perspective, and such) Given the sheer power that AI's have in the Halo-verse, and without discounting John 117's skills and abilities... when you have a computer in your head designed to fly a heavy cruiser all by itself, that can also hack in to Covenant mainframes AND Forerunner systems... In addition, the original Spartans were trained from early childhood; that level of conditioning (moral and ethical concerns notwithstanding) is something that you can't just turn off. Whereas the next-gen Spartans already have military training and the Spartan-creation process has been refined over every iteration. Much like how early in the Human-Covenant War the UNSC were outgunned at every turn, but as it progressed the technological gap became ever shorter, to the point that Humanity was able to reverse-engineer Forerunner tech for the INFINITY as well as put to use their weaponry. On a real-life note, it may just be the difference in writing teams, what with Bungie and 343 being different companies and all. Feel free to correct me if I've got the lore wrong. I don't think I do, but it's always possible.
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 8, 2020 13:44:29 GMT
I do have to admit, I really didn't care for all the 'new' spartans either. Spartan IIs were trained and built to save humanity (even from ourselves if need be). Wereas the IIIs & IVs are basically roided out jocks with anime One-Punch Man levels of power against entire Covenant battalions. You do realize that’s how the Spartan IIs were against the Covenant too right? In terms of a single one or a squad devastating their forces? They were seen as Demons for a reason. Oh I get that. The big difference really comes down to how the different groups of Spartans reacted to their feats; which is also an indication of the writing behind them. John, Linda, Kelly, Sam, etc. They would systematically dismantle Covenant battalions but they never made a big deal about their accomplishments. Indeed the only input the IIs would give about their exploits (if pressed) is how they feel they didn't do enough, at how they wish they could do more, save more lives, win more battles. The IIIs & IVs, on the other hand, constantly make quips and self-gratifying statements attributing to how amazing they are they. And even though both groups of super soldiers are a counter to entire battalions I always preferred the writing behind the IIs exploits as it was more grounded in realism. John lead his Spartans to take out a Covenant Mega Dreadnaught en-route to Earth in First Strike but it was only after extensive planning and even then the Admiral assisting them had to sacrifice his ship in order to keep the aliens distracted long enough so that Master Chief and his squad could evacuate. In Halo 5's opening on the other hand you had IVs jumping out of a Pelican dropship (sans any parachutes) and then, as they are falling, take out an entire Covenant carrier before they hit the ground; which they do with narry a scratch. And the whole time this is all happening you have the IVs and Spartan Buck (who I immensely preferred as an ODST sergeant) having a quippy conversation with the UNSC Infinity.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Oct 30, 2020 11:21:04 GMT
I was already pretty 50/50 on getting Infinite because I haven't enjoyed any of the halo games since Reach besides the Spinoff series halo wars.
However now I'm not sure I even want to try it out, they announced a delay and project lead Chris Lee stepped down (that's 3 very big leads gone within 3 years of the games development) with Microsoft's Joe Staten coming in temporarily on the project and that Alone tells me there's potential development hell going on, then it was just announced 343 will be shaking things up more after Chris Lee made his leaving statement.
😬 It really doesn't look good, especially when everytime they've shown something of the game it's been getting nothing but bad press, now there's the recent "coating" system they're adding on for armor customization that resembles destiny's shader system and halowaypoint lost their shite on that one so I don't think even that was a well received change. It'd really help though if 343 actually spoke out more and explained how some of this stuff works cause they're just sitting there and letting all this worry fester for their fanbase.
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 12, 2020 6:47:48 GMT
Hopefully they work on porting Halo 5 next...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 12, 2020 7:47:00 GMT
Hopefully they work on porting Halo 5 next... Let's hope so but the yhaven' tconfirmed anything on that front yet
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 25, 2021 13:53:17 GMT
So the biggest draw of this franchise since its inception is not even in the game at launch? Is Infinite going to follow in Halo 5's lackluster shoes and not even have split-screen either?
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 25, 2021 16:05:40 GMT
So the biggest draw of this franchise since its inception is not even in the game at launch? Is Infinite going to follow in Halo 5's lackluster shoes and not even have split-screen either? Yeah. 3 months will be a long wait and by then I don’t know if people will even care to play it for co-op anymore. Gotta dodge a lot of the spoilers as well unless they’re some of the people that won’t buy it because it wasn’t there for launch. Halo waypoint is in a big fuss over another game missing core elements to a halo game so 343i has a lot of work to do.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 25, 2021 16:12:59 GMT
So the biggest draw of this franchise since its inception is not even in the game at launch? Is Infinite going to follow in Halo 5's lackluster shoes and not even have split-screen either? Yeah. 3 months will be a long wait and by then I don’t know if people will even care to play it for co-op anymore. Gotta dodge a lot of the spoilers as well unless they’re some of the people that won’t buy it because it wasn’t there for launch. Halo waypoint is in a big fuss over another game missing core elements to a halo game so 343i has a lot of work to do. To be honest, outside of Halo Wars anything tied to 343 has been a poor knock-off of the original. Why should a fan, who initially got into Halo because of the split-screen / co-op gameplay, even give this one a second glance when everything that made a Halo game entertaining is not even in the game in the first place?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 11, 2021 15:40:29 GMT
Haven't played Infinite yet as I'm getting it fo rChristmas. But it's been reviewed well and everything I've seen I like the look of in terms of the campaign. So I don't think it'll end up being bad at least not for me anyway.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2021 18:20:18 GMT
Finished Halo Infinite’s starter campaign yesterday and it is absolutely amazing.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 11, 2021 18:31:30 GMT
Finished Halo Infinite’s starter campaign yesterday and it is absolutely amazing. Yeah I've seen bits and pieces of it but I've tried not to watch too much as I don't want to spoil it for when I do play. I hav esen enough t othink I wil lenjo yi tthough once I get started. As I can see myself looking forward to exploring the ring as well an dtaking on th ebases and things like that. I twill be interesting to see what they add later on in terms of story content as well.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 13, 2021 19:36:16 GMT
Now don't have an XBOX so not playing the game yet but i must say: Continuing on the theme of the day bit torn. On the one hand this is the most obvious and weirdly appropriate retcon in the history of retcons. I cannot say I was following along with the reaction because I am not plugged into the Halo fandom but I can imagine Halo 5 was not well recieved from what I have seen...I certainly didn't let it and I didn't even play it! SO what does Bungie do? More or less pretend it never happened. Yes, they reference Cortanna which still seems to be a through thread but replacing the AIpocylypse with a entirely new threat which entirely kicked the UNSC assess anyways. No real references to any of the events or characters or how it played out. So far at least it, from a gameplay perspective, desecelates the scale where instead of a galaxy wide threat its back down to a single Halo like the first game. And we have a brand new Cortanna running around to...as she speaks. Also really not happy they destroyed the Infinty OFF SCREEN. Honetly one of my favorite ship designs across science fiction and its dead. *sigh*. But despite this so far it at least looks good. Plot is solid and the Gp looks fun. So yeah ironically both how not to resolve a controversial cliff hanger, and how to do so.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 13, 2021 19:59:45 GMT
Honestly, having only seen the opening cinematic, I am glad that the Infinity got wiped out; though seeing it torn apart on camera would have been nice to see.
Ever since Halo 4 that thing has been one giant, space ship-equivalent of a Mary Sue. I still remember rolling my eyes when it rammed through a Covenant Battleship without so much as taking a scratch.
The UNSC fielding this thing, only a few short years after having almost being wiped out of existence, destroyed any semblance of concern for humanity from the setting and was likely the biggest reason why we had to get Dragon Ball Z levels of exponentially more powerful baddies to fight.
Part of the whole draw of the setting was how on the back foot humanity was (especially in naval engagements), at how we had to rely on tactics and courage to win battles. The Infinity was just an "I Win" button that made the background lore of the setting dull and boring.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 14, 2021 7:56:31 GMT
Just finished the campaign: To be honest while I really enjoyed the open world campaign and it was nice to see Chief get more character development, I feel like the story left more questions than answers.
HOW DID THE UNSC CUT CORTANA OFF FROM THE GUARDIANS? I mean the Guardians were nigh unstoppable from Halo 5 and the UNSC did an off screen maneuver to corner Cortana?
I just feel that it was another overreaction by 343 because people were mixed on the story. I wouldn't be surprised if they killed Locke off-screen just to placate fans.
I like the Banished, but they seem to be well..... overpowered. You mean to tell me that a band of pirates managed to defeat the most powerful ship humanity has created. The same ship that has defeated organized Convenant ships efficiently?
I have other questions but I felt that there were some parts in Infinite's campaign were the results of the writers making it up as they went along.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Dec 15, 2021 2:42:32 GMT
Now don't have an XBOX so not playing the game yet but i must say: Continuing on the theme of the day bit torn. On the one hand this is the most obvious and weirdly appropriate retcon in the history of retcons. I cannot say I was following along with the reaction because I am not plugged into the Halo fandom but I can imagine Halo 5 was not well recieved from what I have seen...I certainly didn't let it and I didn't even play it! SO what does Bungie do? More or less pretend it never happened. Yes, they reference Cortanna which still seems to be a through thread but replacing the AIpocylypse with a entirely new threat which entirely kicked the UNSC assess anyways. No real references to any of the events or characters or how it played out. So far at least it, from a gameplay perspective, desecelates the scale where instead of a galaxy wide threat its back down to a single Halo like the first game. And we have a brand new Cortanna running around to...as she speaks. Also really not happy they destroyed the Infinty OFF SCREEN. Honetly one of my favorite ship designs across science fiction and its dead. *sigh*. But despite this so far it at least looks good. Plot is solid and the Gp looks fun. So yeah ironically both how not to resolve a controversial cliff hanger, and how to do so. It's quie tpossible some of this might be explained in the stor yexpansion s we get later. Becaus e as I under stand i tw eare getting story add ons as time progressess. How often we get them I'm not sure but I believe that's the plan. What we have now is just part 1 of the story not the complete story.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 15, 2021 7:01:22 GMT
Kudos to Jen Taylor, what a freaking legend. Voicing three very different versions of essentially the same character all at once.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 15, 2021 7:46:51 GMT
Now don't have an XBOX so not playing the game yet but i must say: Continuing on the theme of the day bit torn. On the one hand this is the most obvious and weirdly appropriate retcon in the history of retcons. I cannot say I was following along with the reaction because I am not plugged into the Halo fandom but I can imagine Halo 5 was not well recieved from what I have seen...I certainly didn't let it and I didn't even play it! SO what does Bungie do? More or less pretend it never happened. Yes, they reference Cortanna which still seems to be a through thread but replacing the AIpocylypse with a entirely new threat which entirely kicked the UNSC assess anyways. No real references to any of the events or characters or how it played out. So far at least it, from a gameplay perspective, desecelates the scale where instead of a galaxy wide threat its back down to a single Halo like the first game. And we have a brand new Cortanna running around to...as she speaks. Also really not happy they destroyed the Infinty OFF SCREEN. Honetly one of my favorite ship designs across science fiction and its dead. *sigh*. But despite this so far it at least looks good. Plot is solid and the Gp looks fun. So yeah ironically both how not to resolve a controversial cliff hanger, and how to do so. It's quie tpossible some of this might be explained in the stor yexpansion s we get later. Becaus e as I under stand i tw eare getting story add ons as time progressess. How often we get them I'm not sure but I believe that's the plan. What we have now is just part 1 of the story not the complete story. That is my understanding as well. Someone is guessing that they are treating the single player campaign like DLC for the multiplayer aspect so that is also why the game is digital only since you will need the servers to play the game.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Dec 15, 2021 12:49:59 GMT
I think MCC and Infinite's all you require honestly speaking, much like Halo Wars if you know the general story of Guardians that's enough, because I for one find playing it so miserable it adds nothing to the overall experience.
I think you can play this from the word go, but you will appreciate it a lot more with a fresh run through of the Trilogy and 4, the first three being outright excellent of course.
I cried two or three times, and I went in a skeptic, I typically despise open world type formulas for example but it really surprised me.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 16, 2021 1:21:10 GMT
Just finished the campaign: To be honest while I really enjoyed the open world campaign and it was nice to see Chief get more character development, I feel like the story left more questions than answers.
HOW DID THE UNSC CUT CORTANA OFF FROM THE GUARDIANS? I mean the Guardians were nigh unstoppable from Halo 5 and the UNSC did an off screen maneuver to corner Cortana?
I just feel that it was another overreaction by 343 because people were mixed on the story. I wouldn't be surprised if they killed Locke off-screen just to placate fans.
I like the Banished, but they seem to be well..... overpowered. You mean to tell me that a band of pirates managed to defeat the most powerful ship humanity has created. The same ship that has defeated organized Convenant ships efficiently?
I have other questions but I felt that there were some parts in Infinite's campaign were the results of the writers making it up as they went along. Well, let's be fair. The Covenant ships the Infinite faced were hardly the cream of the crop. Jul M'Dama merely controlled a faction of them, while all the more experienced commanders of the Covenant were either killed in the Great Schism, the Battle of the Ark, or with Arbiter. The Banished also relied on surprise. The Banished waited until the UNSC had incapacitated Cortana with their trap, then hit the Infinity with four dreadnoughts. After all the Banished have mastered that kind of tactic fighting the Covenant. Would also argue calling them merely a band of pirates is underselling them. It'd be like calling the Swords of Sanghelios a militia.
As for cutting off Cortana from the Guardians, that was all a part of the UNSC's plan with the Weapon. The trap most likely sprung before she could call in more. Slipspace isn't instantaneous afterall, and she had them spread out by that point.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Dec 16, 2021 12:44:49 GMT
Also 343 Industries made this btw, reminding someone earlier in this thread, Bungie's busy with the absolute dogwater that's Destiny.
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