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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 14:31:55 GMT
Hi good folks, without spoiling too much, once your characters ended up committing in Skyhold, is there much dialogues with them afterwards, or is it just an assumed happily ever after?
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Post by Catilina on Mar 7, 2017 15:16:11 GMT
Hi good folks, without spoiling too much, once your characters ended up committing in Skyhold, is there much dialogues with them afterwards, or is it just an assumed happily ever after? No dialogues, just repeatable kiss scenes (similar than DAO). Dorian have the fewest talking possibility... as I see. The Inquisition too long, the companions are very boring in many times. Not because of their nature, rather because to too few dialogue, compared to the game time. Sadly.
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Post by Gilli on Mar 7, 2017 15:25:02 GMT
I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but even after you exhausted all dialogue options (excluding quest specific stuff here), you can go to Josie and Dorian and ask "To spend some time together." Cassandra does not have that, if I remember right, neither does Solas. I just started a Cullen romance, so no idea how it is with him.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 7, 2017 16:08:40 GMT
I can only really speak to Dorian's romance, since I'm most familiar with his. There are special lines or scenes after each major mission. There's enough content to go around; it's fine.
As mentioned above, Dorian does have an on-demand kiss, and also a special "let's spend time together" dialogue option. This isn't anything huge, as it's a fade-to-black after Dorian says some amusing comment, just another fun thing.
Also be sure to look out for party banter that references your romance. This happens for everyone except with the advisors, sadly.
The "happily ever after" is different for each NPC and their romance. With Dorian specifically, players seem to either like or dislike it, especially the Trespasser content. I happen to like it and think it fits the character.
It's rather difficult to be vague when you don't want spoilers. With any romance, it depends on YOU, how you see the character, and how that all works out with your Inquisitor roleplay. What works for you, may not work for me, or someone else, and vice versa. "Happily ever after" is quite subjective for most of them. Although, if that's what you're looking for, don't do Solas.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 7, 2017 16:15:32 GMT
Honestly, in the Inquisition the best romance for me is Bull, and his character is really lovely (if the Inquisitor save the Chargers). I did not expect much from him, but he surprised me on a really good way. I'm not trying to persuade anyone because he's weird, but according to me absolutely worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 16:40:43 GMT
Thanks, guys. I am just trying to decide if I am done with this game or not. I did not expect the LI's dialogues to finish at what seems like 25-30% mark. In MET, you basically do not get the romance culmination till you are about done, so I am sort of not sure. I guess I can talk to the companions/advisors that I was not all that interested in once I ran out of the dialogues with the folks I like.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 7, 2017 16:47:20 GMT
Thanks, guys. I am just trying to decide if I am done with this game or not. I did not expect the LI's dialogues to finish at what seems like 25-30% mark. In MET, you basically do not get the romance culmination till you are about done, so I am sort of not sure. I guess I can talk to other companions/advisors. And the party banters worked better in DAO and DA2... there are too many boring idle in the Inquisition. (You can watch TV while you play )
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 7, 2017 16:50:34 GMT
Thanks, guys. I am just trying to decide if I am done with this game or not. I did not expect the LI's dialogues to finish at what seems like 25-30% mark. In MET, you basically do not get the romance culmination till you are about done, so I am sort of not sure. I guess I can talk to the companions/advisors that I was not all that interested in once I ran out of the dialogues with the folks I like. When in comes to NPC dialogues you need to space them out. Don't go through all of their investigates in Haven, or shortly after arriving at Skyhold. They will be there for the whole game. I've read where people have exhausted all of Dorian's investigates in Haven, so they have nothing to talk with him about, aside from the occasional cutscene, on-demand kiss, etc. But that's all down to you though, and making that choice.
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Post by pensieve on Mar 7, 2017 17:00:19 GMT
The main quests have romance related cutscenes as far as I know.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 7, 2017 17:01:32 GMT
The main quests have romance related cutscenes as far as I know. Yes, you're right.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 17:54:26 GMT
The main quests have romance related cutscenes as far as I know. That's what I was wondering about, if there are any "in waiting" scenes that I will still get to see?
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Post by Catilina on Mar 7, 2017 18:14:31 GMT
The main quests have romance related cutscenes as far as I know. That's what I was wondering about, if there are any "in waiting" scenes that I will still get to see? These are nuances: A dance in the Winter Palace, after task succeed (without LI Josephine want to help with a drink), LI worry if Inquisitor drank from the Well of Sorrow, LI proud, after Inquisitor killed Corypheus etc.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 8, 2017 2:18:27 GMT
The main quests have romance related cutscenes as far as I know. That's what I was wondering about, if there are any "in waiting" scenes that I will still get to see? I have no idea what "in waiting" means. For the pics that Catalina posted above, the Dorian one of those only happens for a very specific game choice.
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Post by morir_a_solas on Mar 8, 2017 4:10:55 GMT
The main quests have romance related cutscenes as far as I know. That's what I was wondering about, if there are any "in waiting" scenes that I will still get to see? Oh I know what you mean, yes there are romance related scenes that trigger with main missions and personal quests (except for Solas, who has significantly less but there are still a few more after you soft lock in Skyhold) some companions can comment or banter about your romance too. Sometimes you do a couple of missions and come back to multiple cutscenes but DAI is easily a 100+ hrs game so it might be a good idea to spread out your interactions a bit (except for Cullen, just cause his personal mission takes forever and you want to trigger it early on) -hope that helps
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 13:28:49 GMT
That's what I was wondering about, if there are any "in waiting" scenes that I will still get to see? I have no idea what "in waiting" means. For the pics that Catalina posted above, the Dorian one of those only happens for a very specific game choice. I mean the scenes that tied to specific events in the story-line, so waiting on the player to come upon them as s/he plays, as opposite to the free-floaters that are on a timer or Approval-dependent. But this question was answered, so now I know!
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 14:06:48 GMT
I'm of the opinion that the advisors have higher quality romance scenes with more physical contact- getting to hug the Quiz during two big Feelz scenes that other LIs either smile from a distance or just aren't there. That's Jose and Cullen. Solas gets the fewest scenes, but the last one is a big one in terms of emotional response from players. For the most part, Romance format for DAI: Flirting in haven. Flirting in Skyhold. Personal quest that may resolve in hand holding, a kiss, or a significant look. The culmination scene. Partial to nearly complete nudity depending on LI. Total nudity of the Quiz if dating Blackwall. Repeatable kissing/cuddling Scene (optional, anytime after romance begins) Some of these are honestly better than others. Scene at the Winter Palace Scene at the Arbor Wilds if LI is brought with (which means nothing for advisors.) Scene post final bad guy fight Comment at celebration party. Final big warm fuzzy scene in Quiz Room post party. Nothing again until Trespasser, the only required DLC of the game IMO. Where Sera/Cullen get the best scenes, standalone scenes, Blackwall gets a scene, and there are modified romantic scenes for the rest. Sera is actually the slowest to warm up to near anyone, so she may not culminate until very near end game, and be the closest to what you are used to. Solas doesn't get 4 of those, because he is a tacked on at the last minute romance tragedy. Sigh.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 11, 2017 14:12:43 GMT
Solas doesn't get 4 of those, because he is a tacked on at the last minute romance tragedy. Sigh.
I don't think that's a fair remark, to be honest. BOTH Solas and Cullen were added as a result of the extra development time and they have drastically different romances. Also, saying that Sera/Cullen get the best scenes in Trespasser is subjective. Not everyone cares about "happily ever after" fairy tale wedding stuff.
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 14:28:03 GMT
Solas doesn't get 4 of those, because he is a tacked on at the last minute romance tragedy. Sigh.
I don't think that's a fair remark, to be honest. BOTH Solas and Cullen were added as a result of the extra development time and they have drastically different romances. Also, saying that Sera/Cullen get the best scenes in trespasser is subjective. Not everyone cares about "happily ever after" fairy tale wedding stuff. Romance debate! Not very spoiler for base game, but trespasser spoils present. As far as I recall, Solas was only approved at all due to being so limited. All his romantic scenes, except for the dance and one where he grabs your ass before SPOILER, are modified scenes any Quiz can get + a few lines and a smooch. Even his content in Trespasser is the same thing. Slightly modified, plus a kiss at the end. He has no repeatable smooching ever. Cullen got the FULL romance treatment with repeatable smooching and one gets extra content in the advisers scenes. Because any Quiz can have a proud smiling gaze even from Varric. So this smiling gaze is not especially romantic to me.
Regarding second point; I've done Cullen/Blackwall/Cass and watched Iron Bull. i'm not just talking about the wedding, I'm talking about romantic treatment at all. Yeah, there are the weddings, but only the advisers get to hug Quiz when they think they're dying from the mark. Everyone else has a poorly timed romantic dialogue while walking scene in the Eluvians. And only Blackwall/Sera/Cullen/Jose get any romantic content that didn't have the tacked on Solas feel of "scene any Quiz gets + one dialogue change" and actually...it' worse, I don't think any of these scenes even allow for a smooch. And Dorian's extra lines involve his moving the relationship to long distance. If you want a kiss in Trespasser, you got to romance Blackwall, Sera, Cullen, or Solas. EDT add: apparently Dorian gets a few kisses as well.
You don't even see Scout Harding at all, ya end up talking to Viv about her. Viv. ugh.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 11, 2017 15:12:01 GMT
Uh... Dorian has TWO kisses in Trespasser. The first is when you first meet him when he's talking to the ambassador, and the second is at the end of the the Tevinter conversation. I think the only caveat is that the first kiss is dependent on your having asked him to stay during the post-Mythal dialogue. Dorian also explicitly uses the word "love." It's pretty damn great and affirming to me.
This is why I say it's subjective. Everyone will have different priorities. I know some players for whom the Dorian romance was essentially ruined because of the Trespasser content. I'm sorry that's the case for them, but it does not apply to me.
I also happen to like the fact that not all of the romances are the same, that they're unique to the character and the circumstances. I personally don't feel that Dorian would want to get married, so the fact that it's not an option for him doesn't bother me. I don't believe that distance has any factor in that, as that spits in the face of actual married couples who have to do long distance for work, school, or military service.
I know one player who, while liking Cullen, has yet to romance him primarily because the Trespasser marriage content is off-putting to her for personal reasons.
It is entirely subjective. Nothing is objectively "the best." This is a pet peeve of mine in the fandom. Someone likes something? Great! Someone dislikes something? That's fine! Everyone has their own different view, and each person's reason for like or dislike will be different from everyone else's. I never understood why people would make those forum threads on Ye Olde BSN asking for the best class, race, or romance. And there were many of them. The person would never qualify it with something (perhaps occasionally, but I never observed it), like, "which romance is the best for plot connection?" or other such things. I can tell you that playing a female elf mage that romances Solas has no interest for me in any way shape or form.
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 16:09:31 GMT
NightscrawlI didn't know about the kisses with Dorian, as I'd clearly admitted I'D not done the romance. I also approached the entire thing from a numbers of scenes and opportunities for physical affection standpoint. A point that has little to do with the spoiler event for those two romances. Regardless of activity, they were unique and separate and not tacked on and opportunities for physical touching. When I romanced Cass, the only difference in Trespasser was some horribly awkward dialogue in a scene any quiz can get. Seemed the same for IB and Jose from what I viewed on YOUTUBE. So please don't put words in my mouth regarding subjective opinions I wasn't giving in my post to you. I was coming from the objective direction of numbers, unique to only that Quiz type of scenes, as well as physical character touching chances, albeit, with not all information.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 11, 2017 16:25:08 GMT
My point is that I don't feel that numbers count for much when it comes to something like this. Just because there are more/unique scenes doesn't mean someone will like them, or that they will give the player the same amount of satisfaction as another romance with less. You clearly point out that Solas gets less content, but there are many players that consider his to be the best romance, for their own reasons, so numbers don't matter to them.
As far as "tacked on scenes," that applies to most of the game material, with only romance quests being truly unique and specific. In that way, it felt like more of the same and consistent with how it was throughout.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 11, 2017 18:27:35 GMT
To my mind the problem with Trespasser wasn't with the actual romances but that awful "joke" they pulled with Cassandra misunderstanding Varric. This raised expectations that were then dashed in some cases but not others. I didn't have a problem with the way the romances panned out but was rather miffed to be made the butt of some writer's idea of a joke at the players' expense. The "joke" was particularly bad in the case of the Cassandra (excruciatingly embarrassing awkwardness)/Dorian (unlooked for raised expectations almost instantly dashed)/Solas (heartlessly insensitive).
I also wonder at the gender equality when only female PCs get the option of an onscreen marriage.
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 20:42:43 GMT
To my mind the problem with Trespasser wasn't with the actual romances but that awful "joke" they pulled with Cassandra misunderstanding Varric. This raised expectations that were then dashed in some cases but not others. I didn't have a problem with the way the romances panned out but was rather miffed to be made the butt of some writer's idea of a joke at the players' expense. The "joke" was particularly bad in the case of the Cassandra (excruciatingly embarrassing awkwardness)/Dorian (unlooked for raised expectations almost instantly dashed)/Solas (heartlessly insensitive). I also wonder at the gender equality when only female PCs get the option of an onscreen marriage.
I was trying to be vague about the events of Trespasser for OP, gervaise. Edit Add: But I've read around the forums that fan opinion is that it was always going to be a scene just for Cullen, but then gay unions were legalized nation wide and they wanted to celebrate with a scene for Sera as well. It seems the scene is mostly reused items, it just needed calling back the VA for the extra lines and more writing in Sera's journal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 20:49:48 GMT
I am happy with what my LI has now. Interestingly I was still able to flirt with companions/advisors I was not far progressed in the dialogue sequences despite my Mage declaring the seriousness of his intentions. I had additional mini-dialogue post commitment/intimacy scene that clearly suggested that there is a conversation to happen after the defeat of Corynpheus. Overall, not too bad if you do try to use the repeat scene every other time you drag your sweet B to the stronghold.
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Post by phoray on Mar 11, 2017 20:59:03 GMT
Nightscrawl Okay, I see your point. But the original question of the OP specifically asked about Quantity " how much dialogue after committment scene-" My reply to domi very much talked about quantity, of which Solas, without a doubt, has the fewest even if there is a huge part of the fandom who think it's the best regardless of quantity. I am aware from domi's other postings that one of her Quizzies is dating Solas while the other is dating Dorian. but I also gave my opinion about quality at the same time, because I value the unique scenes over the tacked on. I id modify my original reply to remove "The best" from it, and replaced with "stand alone" and "chance to touch." I was definitely not saying the Solasmance sucked. I'm neither a fan of nor against the Solasmance, but that doesn't stop it from being a tragic romance with fewer romantic scenes overall.
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