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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 16:37:15 GMT
I like the games and I like discussing them. A boycott? No that would be counter-productive. It would be quite productive actually, if enough people did it and stopped pre-ordering etc. Everyone wins. I am no longer buying Bioware games based on the fact that they can't write a basic story anymore. A structured narrative. ME2, though a great game to play, rang alarm bells with me, as it deviated so far from the first Mass Effect in terms of narrative and basic story structure. The less said about ME3 the better, which has now soured the entire franchise. My "boycotting" Bioware has nothing to do with the forums though and everything to do with their business practices and inept writing.
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 16:39:30 GMT
I love video games too much to boycut any company based on a forum closing etc. That would only mean I'd miss out on some great games while OTHERS got to enjoy them!!!! No way Jose, not gonna happen, I'll preorder like always and be first in line Please stop pre-ordering, for all our sakes
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 16:45:52 GMT
So as most of us are aware, (after all this place likely wouldn't exisist if they hand't made this decision), the official forums of BioWare are closing soon. I found out the news and was rather saddened by it, but in talking with other people on the BSN boards and even a few friends around here the reaction towards BioWare has been...curiously hostile. Curiously hostile? They nuked our community, nothing curious about it.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Aug 18, 2016 17:06:30 GMT
I love video games too much to boycut any company based on a forum closing etc. That would only mean I'd miss out on some great games while OTHERS got to enjoy them!!!! No way Jose, not gonna happen, I'll preorder like always and be first in line Please stop pre-ordering, for all our sakes That's never gonna happen
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Post by Terminator Force on Aug 18, 2016 17:31:19 GMT
I love video games too much to boycut any company based on a forum closing etc. That would only mean I'd miss out on some great games while OTHERS got to enjoy them!!!! No way Jose, not gonna happen, I'll preorder like always and be first in line Please stop pre-ordering, for all our sakes This. Money talks. But sadly the powers of advertisement and hype are too OP for today's consumers. So the downgrade in videogames and movies will continue.
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Post by saberchic on Aug 18, 2016 17:33:59 GMT
That ME:A might be a mess just like *snip* ? rushed and unattractive. Or maybe won't be released at all? Oh, that could very well be; however, we don't know that yet. But I'm not going to boycott Bioware just because they closed their forums.
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 17:41:52 GMT
Please stop pre-ordering, for all our sakes That's never gonna happen So have you never been burned by pre-ordering?
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Post by mousestalker on Aug 18, 2016 17:51:44 GMT
If the game interests me, I will buy it.
That being said, without an active forum of players, customer support for bugs and such has been gutted. EA customer support is not stellar. What made the games playable was finding people with the same issues over at the BSN/BW forums. I'm mostly a Dragon Age player and all three games had serious issues for me on release. DA2 only became playable after finding some fixes on the forums.
So will I buy the games? Very likely. But I will not be buying them ahead of or on release any more. So I will probably be paying less for them than if the forums were around. EA gets the money later rather than sooner and less overall.
Not a boycott and not a political stand, but rather a prudent shopper who typically waits for sales on everything. Now, including games.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 18, 2016 17:53:45 GMT
i got burned by 'The Division'
Never happened with anything BioWare made (your mileage may vary).
EDIT: Copying quote went a bit squiffy...
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 17:54:58 GMT
'The Division' Never happened with anything BioWare made (your mileage may vary). What?
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Post by o Ventus on Aug 18, 2016 18:24:24 GMT
That's never gonna happen So have you never been burned by pre-ordering? No, actually. I typically only pre-order games that have had gameplay footage released and look appealing to me based on said gameplay. The only time I've ever been disappointed with a game that I've preordered was ME3, and when I bought that I was in my blind fanboy phase for everything related to Mass Effect. Even then I never thought that pre-ordering the game was a mistake, I just thought that buying the game at all was a mistake. Literally every other game I've pre-ordered, I've been happy with. You can typically cancel a pre-order even after the game's proper release, so long as you don't fuck off for too long and wait, so you're not in any real danger of wasting money if the game turns out bad. And if you pre-order from somewhere like GameStop (the only retail store I've ever pre-ordered from), you don't even need to pay the full price of the game up front when you place the order, just something like $5 to reserve your copy for when it releases, then you go in and pay the rest when you pick up the game. I think the paranoia surrounding pre-ordering is wildly exaggerated, it's not remotely as bad as some people make it out to be.
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Post by fraggle on Aug 18, 2016 18:27:52 GMT
I will also pre-order. Then take some days off and pour me a nice cup of coffee and play it right away once it arrives I have not been disappointed with BW games so far.
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Post by Serza on Aug 18, 2016 18:28:07 GMT
i got burned by 'The Division' Never happened with anything BioWare made (your mileage may vary). EDIT: Copying quote went a bit squiffy... The Division is a fucking mess that had a brilliant open beta phase. So... horrible.
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Post by Skelly on Aug 18, 2016 18:34:16 GMT
The Division.... Yeah, that's the only time I've been burned by a pre-order too. What a mess. On-topic: no, I will not be boycotting BioWare over the forum closure. It's disappointing on a few levels, but has not overall diminished my anticipation of Andromeda.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Aug 18, 2016 18:44:32 GMT
That's never gonna happen So have you never been burned by pre-ordering? A lot of times but I love gaming too much to not take the chance. I can't help it. I see it as an investment, they usually have a good value. If I end up getting disappointed then I can sell it in worst case scenario for the same price or even more if I wait a few months or years, it's nothing to cry about.
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 18:53:29 GMT
So have you never been burned by pre-ordering? No, actually. I typically only pre-order games that have had gameplay footage released and look appealing to me based on said gameplay. The only time I've ever been disappointed with a game that I've preordered was ME3, and when I bought that I was in my blind fanboy phase for everything related to Mass Effect. Even then I never thought that pre-ordering the game was a mistake, I just thought that buying the game at all was a mistake. Literally every other game I've pre-ordered, I've been happy with. You can typically cancel a pre-order even after the game's proper release, so long as you don't fuck off for too long and wait, so you're not in any real danger of wasting money if the game turns out bad. And if you pre-order from somewhere like GameStop (the only retail store I've ever pre-ordered from), you don't even need to pay the full price of the game up front when you place the order, just something like $5 to reserve your copy for when it releases, then you go in and pay the rest when you pick up the game. I think the paranoia surrounding pre-ordering is wildly exaggerated, it's not remotely as bad as some people make it out to be. Why are you using a different account to reply? So you pre-order games based on footage that gets released early and is made to look better than it will on release (eg Aliens, Duke Nukem, Watch Dogs, The Division, No Man's Sky, et al)? If you were disappointed with ME3 and thought, "I wish I'd never bought this", then if you had NOT pre-ordered, you would have never wanted to buy it based on feedback and actual reviews. It's not "Paranoia" surrounding pre-orders. It's a totally valid concern and should be highlighted as an awful and morally questionable business practice. Not to mention the consumers part in it. It's crazy. Can I just link this video for you so I don't have to type out an essay...? It's highlighting Aliens:CM initially, but there are valid points throughout the video.
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 18:55:14 GMT
So have you never been burned by pre-ordering? A lot of times but I love gaming too much to not take the chance. I can't help it. I see it as an investment, they usually have a good value. If I end up getting disappointed then I can sell it in worst case scenario for the same price or even more if I wait a few months or years, it's nothing to cry about. In what world can you sell a used game for more or the same price?
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Post by mrsanomaly on Aug 18, 2016 18:55:18 GMT
I'm boycotting here. Except, except, the remaster of ME series (1-3) is too tempting. But I promise I might only get that but I'm no longer collectors edition preorder automatic for Bioware like I used to be. Ever again. Ever. Bioware is not getting collectors edition preorder status from me anymore. No other games/developers have that status for me, so, right now, my gaming is a lot less expensive overall. I'm now entering the realm of r/patientgamers. Because I refuse to buy crap over and over and over again at premium prices.
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Post by o Ventus on Aug 18, 2016 19:02:50 GMT
No, actually. I typically only pre-order games that have had gameplay footage released and look appealing to me based on said gameplay. The only time I've ever been disappointed with a game that I've preordered was ME3, and when I bought that I was in my blind fanboy phase for everything related to Mass Effect. Even then I never thought that pre-ordering the game was a mistake, I just thought that buying the game at all was a mistake. Literally every other game I've pre-ordered, I've been happy with. You can typically cancel a pre-order even after the game's proper release, so long as you don't fuck off for too long and wait, so you're not in any real danger of wasting money if the game turns out bad. And if you pre-order from somewhere like GameStop (the only retail store I've ever pre-ordered from), you don't even need to pay the full price of the game up front when you place the order, just something like $5 to reserve your copy for when it releases, then you go in and pay the rest when you pick up the game. I think the paranoia surrounding pre-ordering is wildly exaggerated, it's not remotely as bad as some people make it out to be. Why are you using a different account to reply? So you pre-order games based on footage that gets released early and is made to look better than it will on release (eg Aliens, Duke Nukem, Watch Dogs, The Division, No Man's Sky, et al)? If you were disappointed with ME3 and thought, "I wish I'd never bought this", then if you had NOT pre-ordered, you would have never wanted to buy it based on feedback and actual reviews. It's not "Paranoia" surrounding pre-orders. It's a totally valid concern and should be highlighted as an awful and morally questionable business practice. Not to mention the consumers part in it. It's crazy. Can I just link this video for you so I don't have to type out an essay...? It's highlighting Aliens:CM initially, but there are valid points throughout the video. ... Different account? I wish someone told me I had 2 accounts before now. I specifically mentioned that I bought ME3 during the rush of my blind fanboy phase, where I would shell money out for anything and everything related to Mass Effect. The act of pre-ordering itself had no bearing on my decision to get the game. If pre-ordering was not an established practice, I still would have bought it day 1 simply because that was my frame of mind at the time. I've never given thought to ever playing any of those other games you mentioned, because none of them interest me. Also, pre-release footage for Aliens: Colonial Marines was not gameplay, it was rendered purely for marketing purposes and was never representative of how the game would look upon completion. The only valid concerns surrounding pre-orders that I can think of are when a developer's marketing team falsely advertise their game as being something entirely different from the finished product, like with Colonial Marines. Even then, that's still not the fault of pre-ordering. Again, you are by no means obliged to complete a pre-order transaction, you have every opportunity to back away from the deal should you ever feel the need. Business is a 2-way street, the consumer needs to know how to be responsible when they do their shopping.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 18, 2016 19:05:02 GMT
Mass Effect 3 was the only game I ever bought full price. Collector's Edition too. Needless to say, never again, for anything short of HL3. I didn't pre-order, I walked into Best Buy on launch day and just picked it up. I'll admit I was lucky, they could've easily been sold out. But even at the height of ME indoctrination, I wouldn't have pre-ordered. Because up until launch day I was still on the fence about taking some sort of measure to make sure it didn't suck before I blew my money, either waiting and seeing my friend playing it or downloading an er... "unofficial" copy. Of course my concerns back then were more about who would make the squad and stuff, chump change compared to the actual problems the game had. And yeah I know you can cancel pre-orders* and not lose out if you're smart, but it's a hassle and why take the risk. It's also an admission of (at least seemingly mindlessly) buying into the hype that I just don't want to make. *and speaking of, one thing the forum closure is robbing us of is threatening to cancel pre-orders! Sure we can do it here, but is it the same?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 18, 2016 19:06:22 GMT
Why are you using a different account to reply? lol, Ventus is an entirely different person from OWA. Trust me.
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 19:21:19 GMT
Why are you using a different account to reply? So you pre-order games based on footage that gets released early and is made to look better than it will on release (eg Aliens, Duke Nukem, Watch Dogs, The Division, No Man's Sky, et al)? If you were disappointed with ME3 and thought, "I wish I'd never bought this", then if you had NOT pre-ordered, you would have never wanted to buy it based on feedback and actual reviews. It's not "Paranoia" surrounding pre-orders. It's a totally valid concern and should be highlighted as an awful and morally questionable business practice. Not to mention the consumers part in it. It's crazy. Can I just link this video for you so I don't have to type out an essay...? It's highlighting Aliens:CM initially, but there are valid points throughout the video. ... Different account? I wish someone told me I had 2 accounts before now. I specifically mentioned that I bought ME3 during the rush of my blind fanboy phase, where I would shell money out for anything and everything related to Mass Effect. The act of pre-ordering itself had no bearing on my decision to get the game. If pre-ordering was not an established practice, I still would have bought it day 1 simply because that was my frame of mind at the time. I've never given thought to ever playing any of those other games you mentioned, because none of them interest me. Also, pre-release footage for Aliens: Colonial Marines was not gameplay, it was rendered purely for marketing purposes and was never representative of how the game would look upon completion. The only valid concerns surrounding pre-orders that I can think of are when a developer's marketing team falsely advertise their game as being something entirely different from the finished product, like with Colonial Marines. Even then, that's still not the fault of pre-ordering. Again, you are by no means obliged to complete a pre-order transaction, you have every opportunity to back away from the deal should you ever feel the need. Business is a 2-way street, the consumer needs to know how to be responsible when they do their shopping. I was confused as you quoted a "conversation" I was having with OneWomanArmy. I asked her a question directly quoting her, and you jumped in and answered it. Weirdo. Pre-release footage of Aliens was gameplay -.- I take it you didn't watch the video? Whatever, a lot of what you are saying is making my brain hurt as to how stupid it is, so I'm just gonna step away now.
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Post by Beregond5 on Aug 18, 2016 19:30:47 GMT
No. The only reason I'll stop is if my comp doesn't meet the game system requirements any longer (and that's a big if, because I might just upgrade).
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Post by o Ventus on Aug 18, 2016 19:31:22 GMT
... Different account? I wish someone told me I had 2 accounts before now. I specifically mentioned that I bought ME3 during the rush of my blind fanboy phase, where I would shell money out for anything and everything related to Mass Effect. The act of pre-ordering itself had no bearing on my decision to get the game. If pre-ordering was not an established practice, I still would have bought it day 1 simply because that was my frame of mind at the time. I've never given thought to ever playing any of those other games you mentioned, because none of them interest me. Also, pre-release footage for Aliens: Colonial Marines was not gameplay, it was rendered purely for marketing purposes and was never representative of how the game would look upon completion. The only valid concerns surrounding pre-orders that I can think of are when a developer's marketing team falsely advertise their game as being something entirely different from the finished product, like with Colonial Marines. Even then, that's still not the fault of pre-ordering. Again, you are by no means obliged to complete a pre-order transaction, you have every opportunity to back away from the deal should you ever feel the need. Business is a 2-way street, the consumer needs to know how to be responsible when they do their shopping. I was confused as you quoted a "conversation" I was having with OneWomanArmy. I asked her a question directly quoting her, and you jumped in and answered it. Weirdo. Pre-release footage of Aliens was gameplay -.- I take it you didn't watch the video? Whatever, a lot of what you are saying is making my brain hurt as to how stupid it is, so I'm just gonna step away now. Aaaaaaand here we go with this same old song and dance again, probably for the 20th time or so now. Any time I mention that pre-orders aren't bad, the person I'm talking to just backs away by belittling me and totally ignoring my points. It's cool though, you do you and all, just don't be such a fucking cunt in the future, okay?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 18, 2016 19:50:11 GMT
So we're not going to let this get personal yes?
Nodding of heads...
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