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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 10, 2018 19:03:42 GMT
I’m still pretty cynical about the “live services” for two reasons:
1) The results of this “offer a base game and toss in interesting stuff later” is what turned Sea of Thieves into a massive watery turd. The base game of SoT is BORING. How many people will be playing Sea of Thieves a year from now?
2) As Jim Sterling pointed out a while ago, we all only have so much time for gaming. I might devote an unhealthy amount of time to the DA series, but it’s still finite. And EVERY game company is dipping their toes in this ‘live services’ bullshit. We can’t devote our lives to daily logins; that’s basically turning gaming into work.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 10, 2018 19:10:20 GMT
I hope not, since it’d delay DA4 a lot, regardless of which path is picked. I don’t know how the Anthem system would work in DA while mantaining some of the game’s traditional features, like party system and a pause system. Also, it’d likely mean a use of a reflex based system in combat, since I doubt they’d repeat the DAI MP situation, which wasn’t much appreciated. My favorite scenario would be of having Anthem focusing on all the live/online features while giving space for a more traditional approach for DA, but that interview kind of put a stop on that theory, since it seems live elements will be present either way. Regardless, it’ll be a year at least before we’d know anything about it. Casey Hudson has already explained what they mean when they talk about live elements in DA, and I quote: "when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story."In other words, this may have little to do with combat and more with modifying a strategy meant to prolong the title's longevity after launch. And why shouldn't they do this? I certainly would appreciate meatier support period for a single game and, say, additional DLC or goodies spread through a longer period of time when it's obvious that we won' be seeing the next chapter for half a decade or more... Except they talk about live services as if its a new thing that's being added to the franchise. So when he says "designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story", he can't just mean "designing a game so that we have DLC". Cus they already have that and have for years. Its not new and live services are new. My best, positive conclusion right now is they're designing a game that will close off the narrative loop of its main story by the end of the game, but leave story hooks or have an overarching campaign going in the background, which they will then continue in new content updates like MMOs do with their content expansions. And maybe a store ala Far Cry 5, but only vanity items. My pessimistic take is that live services is going to involve character progression, so a store ala Shadow of War. Nothing random, so its not loot boxes, but still getting faced with the choice of "pay to skip the grind from hell".
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 10, 2018 19:29:04 GMT
Casey Hudson has already explained what they mean when they talk about live elements in DA, and I quote: "when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story."In other words, this may have little to do with combat and more with modifying a strategy meant to prolong the title's longevity after launch. And why shouldn't they do this? I certainly would appreciate meatier support period for a single game and, say, additional DLC or goodies spread through a longer period of time when it's obvious that we won' be seeing the next chapter for half a decade or more... Except they talk about live services as if its a new thing that's being added to the franchise. So when he says "designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story", he can't just mean "designing a game so that we have DLC". Cus they already have that and have for years. Its not new and live services are new. My best, positive conclusion right now is they're designing a game that will close off the narrative loop of its main story by the end of the game, but leave story hooks or have an overarching campaign going in the background, which they will then continue in new content updates like MMOs do with their content expansions. My pessemistic take is that we aren't going to get a finished story in the vanilla game and they're going to sell the story piecemeal. Both options would be new. Hoping for the former. Live services aren't new. Even BW devs have chimed in and pointed out that every single DA title to date had some form of a live service/element already. What happened is that game industry seems to have recently bunched up and defined basically most support for game post-launch that prolongs its life as 'live service'. It's not as much a new stuff or new systems, but a new strategy of supporting (thus monetizing) a single game or a franchise for a longer period of time, unlike before, where stuff like post-launch patches were an afterthought and DLC or mtx were a thing to make an additional buck rather than major source of revenue. |
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Post by Gilli on Jun 10, 2018 19:54:07 GMT
Champion of bullshit 🔥 san_chiWe are the Inquisition! Picture by @pyulice #sera @veryakari #dorian @shrimpyhollow #cullenrutherford @kizakicosplay #cassandra @reenayume #leliana @maryluckclock7 #josephinmontilyet @amapolchen #dragonagecosplay @bioware @mike_Laidlaw [HASH]DAT
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 11, 2018 0:48:08 GMT
Zardoz Industries (Classic) @zardozindustryWhich means what, precisely?
Sally Jordan @sillyjupiter
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We haven’t officially announced anything for the next DA - have only said we have a team working on early ideas for it, which is still true.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 11, 2018 1:33:33 GMT
Zardoz Industries (Classic) @zardozindustryWhich means what, precisely?
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 11, 2018 2:55:04 GMT
Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonWe haven’t officially announced anything for the next DA - have only said we have a team working on early ideas for it, which is still true. working.... on EARLY ideas.. for it... EARLY. IDEAS. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 11, 2018 3:04:13 GMT
Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonWe haven’t officially announced anything for the next DA - have only said we have a team working on early ideas for it, which is still true. working.... on EARLY ideas.. for it... EARLY. IDEAS.As early as letting Alexis Kennedy finish writing and fleshing out whatever faction he's been assigned to write pretty much a year ago from now  You think they'd be writing stuff like that if they were hashing out early ideas? Naw. In other words: I'm not worried. If Casey says that early ideas are "still true" then it likely means that, basically, DA4 ain't yet in full production mode, which is not news. Besides - while I don't hype easily, I now have a title to squee about that is other than DA4 that I can set my eyes on. And waiting for DA4 still hasn't been as arduous as Elder Scrolls 6 WHICH JUST HAS BEEN TEASED, PEOPLE. |
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 11, 2018 3:08:29 GMT
I definitely don't have any titles other than DA4 to squee about, and we're not getting it for a couple more years at least. :srs:
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 11, 2018 3:22:39 GMT
I definitely don't have any titles other than DA4 to squee about, and we're not getting it for a couple more years at least.  The funny thing is that DA4 may potentially come out earlier than ES6  I don't care right now, at least it's official. |
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 11, 2018 3:27:30 GMT
... Well, shit.
It’s nothing we didn’t already know, but it hurts all the same.
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Post by river82 on Jun 11, 2018 3:32:12 GMT
I definitely don't have any titles other than DA4 to squee about, and we're not getting it for a couple more years at least. The funny thing is that DA4 may potentially come out earlier than ES6  I don't care right now, at least it's official. ES6 was the shittiest trailer I have ever seen. 30 seconds of dirt, mountains, and rock. Fan-fricken-tastic |
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 11, 2018 3:37:57 GMT
The funny thing is that DA4 may potentially come out earlier than ES6 I don't care right now, at least it's official. ES6 was the shittiest trailer I have ever seen. 30 seconds of dirt, mountains, and rock. Fan-fricken-tastic  (sorry, I couldn't help it, it's my fav meme) |
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 11, 2018 3:50:08 GMT
I definitely don't have any titles other than DA4 to squee about, and we're not getting it for a couple more years at least. The funny thing is that DA4 may potentially come out earlier than ES6  I don't care right now, at least it's official. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see which arrives first...
(Honestly, given that I'll probably spend an obscene amount of time in both, I don't even want them to arrive in the same year. )
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Post by Psychedelic on Jun 11, 2018 3:51:23 GMT
The funny thing is that DA4 may potentially come out earlier than ES6 I don't care right now, at least it's official. ES6 was the shittiest trailer I have ever seen. 30 seconds of dirt, mountains, and rock. Fan-fricken-tastic Good thing it was a teaser, not a trailer, in which case you would be absolutely right. May not the shittiest though, the Starfield teaser was similarly unhelpful. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 11, 2018 3:54:39 GMT
The funny thing is that DA4 may potentially come out earlier than ES6 I don't care right now, at least it's official. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see which arrives first...
(Honestly, given that I'll probably spend an obscene amount of time in both, I don't even want them to arrive in the same year.  )
That would be a bummer (and probably a First World Problem to end all First World Problems) - 'help, I didn't have anything to play for years and now I don't know which game to spend more time on!' |
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Post by river82 on Jun 11, 2018 3:59:36 GMT
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see which arrives first...
(Honestly, given that I'll probably spend an obscene amount of time in both, I don't even want them to arrive in the same year. )
That would be a bummer (and probably a First World Problem to end all First World Problems) - 'help, I didn't have anything to play for years and now I don't know which game to spend more time on!' With the state of the gaming industry atm, it's more like there are constantly too many good games to play. About a decade ago things were getting really barren, but now good games are being released constantly. For me Vampyr just released (story rich adventure), there's Cycling Manager 2018 releasing this month (I'm a stat geek  ) and I still have a backlog like Pillars of Eternity 2 and Divinity Original Sin 2 I haven't finished, Sims 4 I haven't played enough of. It's like, there are so many good games now we no longer have to settle. It's fantastic, TBH. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 11, 2018 4:06:11 GMT
That would be a bummer (and probably a First World Problem to end all First World Problems) - 'help, I didn't have anything to play for years and now I don't know which game to spend more time on!' With the state of the gaming industry atm, it's more like there are constantly too many good games to play. About a decade ago things were getting really barren, but now good games are being released constantly. For me Vampyr just released (story rich adventure), there's Cycling Manager 2018 releasing this month (I'm a stat geek  ) and I still have a backlog like Pillars of Eternity 2 and Divinity Original Sin 2 I haven't finished, Sims 4 I haven't played enough of. It's like, there are so many good games now we no longer have to settle. It's fantastic, TBH. I have so many things on my pile of 'what I want to play/at least try' that at this point it's just getting ridiculous. I honestly don't know what to put my hands on TBH, which is funnily why I hardly play anything ATM. And sheesh, it's a good thing I don't own a PS4. |
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Post by colfoley on Jun 11, 2018 6:09:26 GMT
After my current PT of the DA series I need to figure out if I want to do XCOM 2 next, HZD, or do another PT of Fallout 4 so I am with everyone there. All the while I hope I can get it done right around the same time to get the next Ace Combat game, which dosen't even have a release date I suppose.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 11, 2018 6:14:09 GMT
Okay, perspective! Bioware needs all eyes on Anthem, and any kind of information for DA4 that makes it sound like they are working on it hard and it's release is closer than expected, distracts fans, media and journalists from their new IP that they need to succeed.
Devs lie, they are lying liars, DA4 WILL have a trailer for E3 2019! Right...?
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 11, 2018 6:36:28 GMT
With the state of the gaming industry atm, it's more like there are constantly too many good games to play. About a decade ago things were getting really barren, but now good games are being released constantly. For me Vampyr just released (story rich adventure), there's Cycling Manager 2018 releasing this month (I'm a stat geek ) and I still have a backlog like Pillars of Eternity 2 and Divinity Original Sin 2 I haven't finished, Sims 4 I haven't played enough of. It's like, there are so many good games now we no longer have to settle. It's fantastic, TBH. I have so many things on my pile of 'what I want to play/at least try' that at this point it's just getting ridiculous. I honestly don't know what to put my hands on TBH, which is funnily why I hardly play anything ATM. And sheesh, it's a good thing I don't own a PS4. Same here. I have list of "to play" games, but it's too long and too various that most of the time I end up not deciding what to play and either return to one of the old favourites or don't play at all. |
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 11, 2018 8:44:24 GMT
Okay, perspective! Bioware needs all eyes on Anthem, and any kind of information for DA4 that makes it sound like they are working on it hard and it's release is closer than expected, distracts fans, media and journalists from their new IP that they need to succeed. Devs lie, they are lying liars, DA4 WILL have a trailer for E3 2019! Right...? I'll hope E3 2019 has a trailer and/or focus, with release for late 2019, but I think up to late 2020 is quite possible. Going to 2021(+) sounds so ridiculous. I hope not. |
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Post by link2twenty on Jun 11, 2018 8:55:58 GMT
Okay, perspective! Bioware needs all eyes on Anthem, and any kind of information for DA4 that makes it sound like they are working on it hard and it's release is closer than expected, distracts fans, media and journalists from their new IP that they need to succeed. Devs lie, they are lying liars, DA4 WILL have a trailer for E3 2019! Right...? I'll hope E3 2019 has a trailer and/or focus, with release for late 2019, but I think up to late 2020 is quite possible. Going to 2021(+) sounds so ridiculous. I hope not. Are both studios confirmed to be working on Anthem? |
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Post by themikefest on Jun 11, 2018 11:50:43 GMT
Disappointing news. Sounds like DA4 is still years off and mass effect an eternity off, that’s if all eggs in horrid anthem doesn’t fail hard. I've said in another thread, that I predict the next da game will be released Nov 2020. Could it release in late 2019? I suppose anything is possible. Nov 2019 would be 5 years after the release of DAI. It would be a nice surprise it that were to happen. Why I say Nov 2020 is that there have been rumors, nothing confirmed, that Sony will release their next generation console. Again just rumors. So if the game were to be released later than that, it would likely be made for the next generation. The other thing is I don't see them going longer than 6 years between games. Could I be wrong? Yes. Only time will tell. I would be curious what they will show at E3 2019, as far as DA is concerned. With ME, its hard to say. If the next da game were to be released late 2020, I would guess a new ME game could be released in 2022. I do see the next ME game being released on the next generation consoles. One thing EA could do to keep fans interested is release a remastered trilogy. I'm sure that's wishful thinking on my part, but it would be nice if that were to happen. As far as Anthem is concerned. I'm not interested in the game, but I like for it to do well. |
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Post by Gilli on Jun 11, 2018 11:51:16 GMT
I have so many things on my pile of 'what I want to play/at least try' that at this point it's just getting ridiculous. I honestly don't know what to put my hands on TBH, which is funnily why I hardly play anything ATM. And sheesh, it's a good thing I don't own a PS4. Same here. I have list of "to play" games, but it's too long and too various that most of the time I end up not deciding what to play and either return to one of the old favourites or don't play at all. Same here too. And it doesn't help that my Steam wishlist keeps reminding me "A game on your wishlist is on sale"... |
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You think they'd be writing stuff like that if they were hashing out early ideas? Naw.
I don't care right now, at least it's official.
I don't care right now, at least it's official.
I don't care right now, at least it's official.
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) and I still have a backlog like Pillars of Eternity 2 and Divinity Original Sin 2 I haven't finished, Sims 4 I haven't played enough of. It's like, there are so many good games now we no longer have to settle. It's fantastic, TBH.
) and I still have a backlog like Pillars of Eternity 2 and Divinity Original Sin 2 I haven't finished, Sims 4 I haven't played enough of. It's like, there are so many good games now we no longer have to settle. It's fantastic, TBH.
