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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 11, 2018 12:20:27 GMT
With DA4 probably not out until 2020 (still the year I'm betting on - hopefully we'll get a teaser trailer this time next year) I might actually finish my RPG backlog before it arrives! Only got eight more games in that particular backlog, plus Greedfall and Cyberpunk 2070 if either or both of those turn out to be my thing. Don't think there's much else on the horizon that interests me coming in the next couple of years now that Deadfire is out. (Bethesda games and I do not get along, so even if Starfield or Elder Scrolls VI arrive before DA4 they won't add to the pile.)
We are just not going to talk about how many games there are in my backlog that are not RPGs ...
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Post by wickedcool on Jun 11, 2018 12:33:16 GMT
After watching bethesda studios big presentation (regardless of how you feel about their games) the presentation and hope for future a+ titles made wish that we had gotten more from bioware than just 1 game. Lots of eggs in 1 basket
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 11, 2018 12:37:17 GMT
I think the most optimistic release date for DA4 is (date of full production start) +3 years, but looking at the dev time of their recent titles, +5 years might be more realistic.
Has full production already started?
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Post by blighted on Jun 11, 2018 13:34:26 GMT
I am a little confused by Casey's statements about Dragon Age, because they don't seem to really match up with what's already been hinted at (or plainly stated) in regards to their progress with the game's development. So unless he's just trying to be vague in his wording to try and not take away from Anthem, maybe the reboot really did set things back. Guess we'll find out soon™ enough. I'm lucky to be one of those who now have a bunch of new games to focus on in the meantime.
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Post by DarkSnow on Jun 11, 2018 13:53:54 GMT
Well, at least Mark Darrah says DA4 is going swell. And that's all he says so I guess they're maybe just trying to keep it well under wraps for the moment.
At 4:14 or thereabouts.
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 11, 2018 14:37:35 GMT
Frankly, I find little sense now in not pushing DA. Anthem is cleary not something that the DA players would be interested in (as in target audience of fantasy single player gamers) so there is no way DA would in some way steal the spotlight from Anthem.
Actually, I believe now is the moment to use DA to keep interested the more "classic" fanbase, that is feeling left out from Anthem. A sort of "we haven't forget about you guys" thing.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 11, 2018 14:43:36 GMT
Frankly, I find little sense now in not pushing DA. Anthem is cleary not something that the DA players would be interested in (as in target audience of fantasy single player gamers) so there is no way DA would in some way steal the spotlight from Anthem. Actually, I believe now is the moment to use DA to keep interested the more "classic" fanbase, that is feeling left out from Anthem. A sort of "we haven't forget about you guys" thing. The problem is that they’re likely not at a place where they can show something substantial. At best, they might’ve done something akin of the TES VI reveal, which I doubt would’ve satisfied many people. Regardless of what Casey said about still figuring out DA4 means, the team working on it is small, with most of Edmonton working on Anthem. They might still be in pre-production.
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Post by enaste on Jun 11, 2018 14:50:14 GMT
Perhaps I am in the minority here, but actually a longer development time does not necessarily mean a better gaming experience for me.
Out of all DA games, DA2 holds probably the highest replay value in my opinion. I am well aware the game had its flaws, but Bioware's strengths (setting, characters, lore) managed to turn an unfinished game into a (kind of) masterpiece. The rivalry / friendship system was very refreshing. Also, I enjoyed the small scope and the ability to make many decisions, even if they didn't matter - they were essential for roleplaying purposes.
I know what could have been done with DA2 if it would have received more development time...but I am still more than pleased with the result.
If it was up to me, DA4 could have been out long ago, just give me some interesting characters (and romances) and shady bits of lore in it. A smaller, more compact game with a shorter release cycle would be fine to me.
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 11, 2018 14:50:23 GMT
Frankly, I find little sense now in not pushing DA. Anthem is cleary not something that the DA players would be interested in (as in target audience of fantasy single player gamers) so there is no way DA would in some way steal the spotlight from Anthem. Actually, I believe now is the moment to use DA to keep interested the more "classic" fanbase, that is feeling left out from Anthem. A sort of "we haven't forget about you guys" thing. The problem is that they’re likely not at a place where they can show something substantial. At best, they might’ve done something akin of the TES VI reveal, which I doubt would’ve satisfied many people. Regardless of what Casey said about still figuring out DA4 means, the team working on it is small, with most of Edmonton working on Anthem. They might still be in pre-production. I doubt they haven't any artwork to share. And even something like the Elder Scrools 6 would actually be enought, because it would have actually made DA4 "real", and not just a not-so-much rumor. It would have given to the not-interested-in-MMO players hope, instead of the feeling of abandon and somehow betraial that some feel now. The greedy would be there anyway, but many would have been just happy with that, just like many are just happy that an Elder Scrools 6 is been worked on.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 11, 2018 14:50:24 GMT
Frankly, I find little sense now in not pushing DA. Anthem is cleary not something that the DA players would be interested in (as in target audience of fantasy single player gamers) so there is no way DA would in some way steal the spotlight from Anthem. Actually, I believe now is the moment to use DA to keep interested the more "classic" fanbase, that is feeling left out from Anthem. A sort of "we haven't forget about you guys" thing. But it's not like Bioware doesn't want their loyal fanbase to get excited about Anthem and buy it, and that's why keeping any information about Dragon Age under wraps could just be a way for even the most jaded singleplayer RPG fans to keep Anthem in their minds instead of anything related to Dragon Age.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 11, 2018 14:50:56 GMT
The problem is that they’re likely not at a place where they can show something substantial. At best, they might’ve done something akin of the TES VI reveal, which I doubt would’ve satisfied many people. Regardless of what Casey said about still figuring out DA4 means, the team working on it is small, with most of Edmonton working on Anthem. They might still be in pre-production. Oh, they're most definitely at pre-production still. Thing is that we don't really know how much can be done at this time with resources or tools that are available to them. Fortunately, we have some insider knowledge...: I’m half sure they wouldn’t answer, but could somebody ask what sort of work they can do as a skeleton crew without full production capacity? You'd be surprised To answer your question in a more broad 'video game industry' sense, I would say it all depends on the state of the tools/engine for said project. If you're working with established tools and workflows you can basically get anything done except for the volume of content needed to ship a full game. As soon as you start adding new tech in to the picture you need extra skill sets and specifically lots more time to prove out systems the tech was built to support. So unfortunately, without getting in to real specifics, the real answer of 'it really depends' doesn't help all that much . At some point we'll be able to say some things about some project that some people might be working on
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 11, 2018 14:53:55 GMT
Frankly, I find little sense now in not pushing DA. Anthem is cleary not something that the DA players would be interested in (as in target audience of fantasy single player gamers) so there is no way DA would in some way steal the spotlight from Anthem. Actually, I believe now is the moment to use DA to keep interested the more "classic" fanbase, that is feeling left out from Anthem. A sort of "we haven't forget about you guys" thing. But it's not like Bioware doesn't want their loyal fanbase to get excited about Anthem and buy it, and that's why keeping any information about Dragon Age under wraps could just be a way for even the most jaded singleplayer RPG fans to keep Anthem in their minds instead of anything related to Dragon Age. Single player gamers keep in mind Anthem only as "that game the SH I like have made and I'm not interested in". Just because one thing is being showed a lot, doesn't make it interesting for people who don't like it. I can watch hundreds of sport/racing games stuff, trailer, interview, etch. But I will never be interested in those type of games.
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 11, 2018 15:00:17 GMT
Frankly, I find little sense now in not pushing DA. Anthem is cleary not something that the DA players would be interested in (as in target audience of fantasy single player gamers) so there is no way DA would in some way steal the spotlight from Anthem. Actually, I believe now is the moment to use DA to keep interested the more "classic" fanbase, that is feeling left out from Anthem. A sort of "we haven't forget about you guys" thing. But it's not like Bioware doesn't want their loyal fanbase to get excited about Anthem and buy it, and that's why keeping any information about Dragon Age under wraps could just be a way for even the most jaded singleplayer RPG fans to keep Anthem in their minds instead of anything related to Dragon Age. Marketing takes resources. Wasting devs time making a teaser or footage when there are on a limited team size would be a waste of resources and then require them to continuosly give more info and waste more resources on that for a game that's still years out. They've already said that they are still working on DA4, realistically that's all a teaser at this stage would tell you too like the Elder Scrolls VI which told nothing and is likely to come out next gen anyway.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 11, 2018 15:03:35 GMT
But it's not like Bioware doesn't want their loyal fanbase to get excited about Anthem and buy it, and that's why keeping any information about Dragon Age under wraps could just be a way for even the most jaded singleplayer RPG fans to keep Anthem in their minds instead of anything related to Dragon Age. Single player gamers keep in mind Anthem only as "that game the SH I like have made and I'm not interested in". Just because one thing is being showed a lot, doesn't make it interesting for people who don't like it. I can watch hundreds of sport/racing games stuff, trailer, interview, etch. But I will never be interested in those type of games. That's not the point, lol. From advertising point of view, what's the upside to Anthem, the game they are trying to market and get people interested in, if they promote another already existing and loved series and the possibility of a new game being in our hands closer than we think? Absolutely nothing. It's going to distract media attention and fanbase attention. You say that you are never going get interested in games like Anthem, but you are not everyone. There could be potentially hundreds of customers thinking of buying Anthem JUST because it's a Bioware product and because it MIGHT scratch the itch of a singleplayer RPG (even though it might not) until Dragon Age comes along. Start promoting Dragon Age and all those customers have their eyes only on Dragon Age, of course, and bleep bloop there goes all potential customers that might've checked out Anthem just purely out of frustration because no other Bioware game in sight. Maybe this is a very drastic example, but I don't think it's that far out.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 11, 2018 15:05:02 GMT
But it's not like Bioware doesn't want their loyal fanbase to get excited about Anthem and buy it, and that's why keeping any information about Dragon Age under wraps could just be a way for even the most jaded singleplayer RPG fans to keep Anthem in their minds instead of anything related to Dragon Age. Single player gamers keep in mind Anthem only as "that game the SH I like have made and I'm not interested in". Just because one thing is being showed a lot, doesn't make it interesting for people who don't like it. I can watch hundreds of sport/racing games stuff, trailer, interview, etch. But I will never be interested in those type of games. While it’s likely true for the majority, there are people that love Bioware games for years that are still interested in Anthem. As for your point about showing concept arts or a similar approach Bethesda, I wouldn’t have minded that, but in the past, when Bioware simply announced a game without showing anything substantial, people weren’t too thrilled about it either. It’s a complex situation, but either way, we’re not going to get something until next year.
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 11, 2018 15:13:49 GMT
Single player gamers keep in mind Anthem only as "that game the SH I like have made and I'm not interested in". Just because one thing is being showed a lot, doesn't make it interesting for people who don't like it. I can watch hundreds of sport/racing games stuff, trailer, interview, etch. But I will never be interested in those type of games. That's not the point, lol. From advertising point of view, what's the upside to Anthem, the game they are trying to market and get people interested in, if they promote another already existing and loved series and the possibility of a new game being in our hands closer than we think? Absolutely nothing. It's going to distract media attention and fanbase attention. You say that you are never going get interested in games like Anthem, but you are not everyone. There could be potentially hundreds of customers thinking of buying Anthem JUST because it's a Bioware product and because it MIGHT scratch the itch of a singleplayer RPG (even though it might not) until Dragon Age comes along. Start promoting Dragon Age and all those customers have their eyes only on Dragon Age, of course, and bleep bloop there goes all potential customers that might've checked out Anthem just purely out of frustration because no other Bioware game in sight. Maybe this is a very drastic example, but I don't think it's that far out. LOL. Anthem. Scratching single player itch, when it have nothing of single player game? Sorry, but I believe this is quite naive. From everything I've read and seen, Anthem is the last place where a single player gamer should look at. And the only reason people (sp players) looked at it was because they hoped there was something for them. Some may decide to try it, but it will be few people, just those who play both MP games and SP. But the hardcore SP players will just look at other games from others SH.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 11, 2018 15:16:44 GMT
That's not the point, lol. From advertising point of view, what's the upside to Anthem, the game they are trying to market and get people interested in, if they promote another already existing and loved series and the possibility of a new game being in our hands closer than we think? Absolutely nothing. It's going to distract media attention and fanbase attention. You say that you are never going get interested in games like Anthem, but you are not everyone. There could be potentially hundreds of customers thinking of buying Anthem JUST because it's a Bioware product and because it MIGHT scratch the itch of a singleplayer RPG (even though it might not) until Dragon Age comes along. Start promoting Dragon Age and all those customers have their eyes only on Dragon Age, of course, and bleep bloop there goes all potential customers that might've checked out Anthem just purely out of frustration because no other Bioware game in sight. Maybe this is a very drastic example, but I don't think it's that far out. LOL. Anthem. Scratching single player itch, when it have nothing of single player game? Sorry, but I believe this is quite naive. From everything I've read and seen, Anthem is the last place where a single player gamer should look at. And the only reason people (sp players) looked at it was because they hoped there was something for them. Some may decide to try it, but it will be few people, just tjose who play both MP games and SP. But the hardcore SP players will just look at other games from others SH. I don’t generally play MP games, but I have a mild interest on Anthem. I’m not sure if I’ll buy it, but I’d consider it.
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 11, 2018 15:20:57 GMT
LOL. Anthem. Scratching single player itch, when it have nothing of single player game? Sorry, but I believe this is quite naive. From everything I've read and seen, Anthem is the last place where a single player gamer should look at. And the only reason people (sp players) looked at it was because they hoped there was something for them. Some may decide to try it, but it will be few people, just tjose who play both MP games and SP. But the hardcore SP players will just look at other games from others SH. I don’t generally play MP games, but I have a mild interest on Anthem. I’m not sure if I’ll buy it, but I’d consider it. I will not. I'll look at other games. There are some interesting games at the horizon, and some may unexpetedly scratch my SP itch definitely more than BioWare's new game.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jun 11, 2018 15:24:02 GMT
Frankly, I find little sense now in not pushing DA. Anthem is cleary not something that the DA players would be interested in (as in target audience of fantasy single player gamers) so there is no way DA would in some way steal the spotlight from Anthem. Actually, I believe now is the moment to use DA to keep interested the more "classic" fanbase, that is feeling left out from Anthem. A sort of "we haven't forget about you guys" thing. It's still a product with their name on it that they need to support. Since it's next on the pipeline, it's completely reasonable to expect them to pimp it out to the best of their ability. Remember when we felt they treated Dragon Age like the red headed step child? It wasn't swell for us and I'm willing to bet the devs never wanted us to feel that way. Plus, you never wanna be in competition with yourself or spread your resources too thin on more fronts than necessary. The Anthem front is necessary right now due to its close release date. DA4's time will come.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 11, 2018 15:24:48 GMT
I don’t generally play MP games, but I have a mild interest on Anthem. I’m not sure if I’ll buy it, but I’d consider it. I will not. I'll look at other games. There are some interesting games at the horizon, and some may unexpetedly scratch my SP itch definitely more than BioWare's new game. My point was more about not generalizing on who will be interested in Anthem. While I agree that most of those interested mainly in SP-experiences will likely pass (and as I said, I have doubts on it) that’s not true for all people.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 11, 2018 15:33:15 GMT
because it would have actually made DA4 "real", and not just a not-so-much rumor. This is all I want, really. As it is, without that confirmation, I just have concern that, if Anthem doesn't do well, Bioware will die, and with it Dragon Age, which is the only thing I care about from the studio at this point. Yes, the studio could still die even if they had officially confirmed DA4. I realize that. But the lack of that confirmation just lends itself to an overall feeling of foreboding for me. And to be quite honest, I would feel less concern if Trespasser didn't exist. As it is, and with the "we cut the story in half" remarks, we clearly have more to do. I would still be devastated if Bioware (and DA) died, but without Trespasser we would at least have a Dragon Age game with a solid ending with the base DAI game*. Trespasser obliterated all of that. * Yes, even including the post-credit scene, which, while a dangling thread, is not the same as what Trespasser gave us.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jun 11, 2018 15:37:36 GMT
I don’t generally play MP games, but I have a mild interest on Anthem. I’m not sure if I’ll buy it, but I’d consider it. I will not. I'll look at other games. There are some interesting games at the horizon, and some may unexpetedly scratch my SP itch definitely more than BioWare's new game. I used to think like that before I gave SWTOR a chance on a whim, just to see what it was like. I watched some Youtube videos, thought it was interesting, and then gave it a try for myself. Now, yes, it was easy for me to get a free account while with Anthem you'll have to buy the game or find someone you know who bought it and ask them to let you have a go and see if you'll enjoy it. My point is, you never know what people will think or decide, you have only yourself to speak for with any certainty. And hey, people change so, sometimes, you may not know what even you will think or decide. I've never been an MMO player, never saw the appeal for longer than a week, but I've been a SWTOR subscriber for over 2 years. Goes to show that I found myself in a situation at a point in my life where I became an MMO player without even realizing.
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Post by Felya87 on Jun 11, 2018 15:44:53 GMT
I will not. I'll look at other games. There are some interesting games at the horizon, and some may unexpetedly scratch my SP itch definitely more than BioWare's new game. I used to think like that before I gave SWTOR a chance on a whim, just to see what it was like. I watched some Youtube videos, thought it was interesting, and then gave it a try for myself. Now, yes, it was easy for me to get a free account while with Anthem you'll have to buy the game or find someone you know who bought it and ask them to let you have a go and see if you'll enjoy it. My point is, you never know what people will think or decide, you have only yourself to speak for with any certainty. And hey, people change so, sometimes, you may not know what even you will think or decide. I've never been an MMO player, never saw the appeal for longer than a week, but I've been a SWTOR subscriber for over 2 years. Goes to show that I found myself in a situation at a point in my life where I became an MMO player without even realizing.
I tryed SWTOR. And it just make it clear to me that MMO games are not for me, just like any MMO I tryed. I'm surely not the only one. Many, many people feel the same as me. SP players are still a big chunck of playerbase. A playerbase Anthem is not aimed at. I never said that I speak for all, but I'm sure there are quite a bit of people that have my same tastes.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 11, 2018 16:01:51 GMT
Grog Muffins Felya87 The other side of that is someone like me, who has played MMOs and is done with them. I played World of Warcraft for about 10 years. I've played other MMOs outside of that, but no other game took my time, attention, and money (must be hundreds if I factor in all the years of subs, ancillary materials [novels, etc], collector's editions, and one expensive trip to Blizzcon). I'm done playing with other people. I don't want to deal with them in my game. I don't want some moron jumping around while an NPC is giving some important/meaningful speech, killing my immersion and ruining the gravity of the storytelling moment. I don't want to be harassed. I don't want to share. I don't want to try and recruit "friends" for some important mission that I couldn't do otherwise. I don't want to depend on other people to do things. I want to do things at my own pace, in the order that makes sense to me, for whatever reason I want to do them (or not do them!) without having to worry about other players (waiting for them, etc). I want a strong single player experience where my character is a major factor in the story, and the person alongside me isn't also referred to as the supreme commander of the forces, or the first padawan that Master So-and-so has taken in many years (oh, except for that chick, this dude, and some other person over there). I want to make my own stories in my own game and not worry about anyone else. I don't give a flying fuck about other players or what they do in their own game.
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