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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 1, 2016 22:27:52 GMT
So several people have been caching or archiving BSN's data, something that I'll confess up front that I don't know much about.
What possibilities exist for moving the data cleanly into a forum like this one? Is that possible, or would it end up taking the form of something more like an interactable database rather than a forum?
I will also try and get Malloc to join, who has been parsing data the last couple of days (although he is quite busy.)
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Post by capn233 on Aug 1, 2016 22:47:11 GMT
^Yeah.
I was wondering about this myself. I know a lot of people are focused more on ME3 and beyond, but there is some decent data for the older games too. Some of it for ME1 was already lost in the original migration to BSN, but Grey Ranger was good enough to post some of it.
If all else fails there is good old copy and paste I suppose. Depends on how tidy the owners want everything.
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Post by fraggle on Aug 2, 2016 8:03:38 GMT
I am very curious how this turns out, especially since user Fexelea is trying to make it possible that members signing up on their page can take their old forum posts with them from what it looks like, as well as importing threads in general. That would of course be awesome, but I like the layout here much more tbh. Well, I will see how everything works out. For now I like it here and time will tell what other folks put on the table.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 2, 2016 14:06:55 GMT
I would also be interested in the possibility of such a thing. I planned on googling it.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 2, 2016 23:16:43 GMT
I would also be interested in the possibility of such a thing. I planned on googling it. My bet is that you end up with a great deal on information about giraffes and a receipt for an online purchase of a small pacific island.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 2, 2016 23:32:32 GMT
I would also be interested in the possibility of such a thing. I planned on googling it. My bet is that you end up with a great deal on information about giraffes and a receipt for an online purchase of a small pacific island.If only!
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 3, 2016 12:33:42 GMT
I want to be a bit cautious about this, because I don't understand the subject very well, but I've heard back from my friend parsing the forum.
They seem quite confident that it is doable, and the other forum working on it says it looks promising on their end, as well.
I don't know enough details to understand how it will work, yet, but I will probably be able to offer a more concrete update in about a week.
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Post by capn233 on Aug 3, 2016 15:08:55 GMT
I have it on good authority that when the board hits 88 threads imported, you're gonna see some serious shit.
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Post by Anubis on Aug 3, 2016 15:21:30 GMT
It's entirely possible (since I did the resource libraries easily), but there are a TON of files there. Just pulling the Resource Libraries and the first page of everything linked there was over 600 files, and 128 MB. That's a tiny drop in the sea that is BSN/TBF.
Hosting costs would be significant, and imported it all into another forum format would be a massive undertaking. A lot of code has to be changed via script (millions of lines of it).
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Post by themikefest on Aug 3, 2016 15:51:50 GMT
I was just wondering if it would be wise to hold off making threads and wait to see if this transfer thing works? I only mention it since there are threads already created here on this site that are seen on bsn
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 3, 2016 15:53:20 GMT
Fexera (I don't think I have the name right) will be testing in small batches, to make sure things are porting over okay before they commit to anything larger. I'm holding out hope things go well, but I'm not sure what kind of architecture they're using or anything.
I'm not really sure about Malloc's approach, or what will be involved. Oops, I keep forgetting to send him a link (runs off to do what I meant to do yesterday.)
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 3, 2016 15:55:20 GMT
I was just wondering if it would be wise to hold off making threads and wait to see if this transfer thing works? I only mention it since there are threads already created here on this site that are seen on bsn I think everyone should proceed as normal. Basically, everything is in flux, everything is going to change, nothing is certain. We might as well pursue all of our options. In this scenario, the solutions that ultimately begin to work the best will proceed naturally to become the most successful. It is okay to try 12 things and fail at 10, and in fact may well give you better data and results than simply trying the one or two things that work.
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Post by crusty on Aug 4, 2016 6:50:19 GMT
Seems like Fexelea has had success with a proof of concept port of a small subforum. I would highly advise Cyonan and others I get into contact with her.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 5, 2016 1:57:18 GMT
I made a separate thread to get the link to Fexelea's instructions more attention.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 5, 2016 2:04:10 GMT
It would be neat but speaking for myself if it can't be done or it's too much of an hassle , I can live without. I think perhaps saving guides and such might be more important for google search etc , I don't think many future posters are going to be that interested in my various rambling posts.
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Post by Blast Processor on Aug 5, 2016 2:29:12 GMT
Yeah, I would love it if someone managed to move over the suicide mission guide and the gibbed save editor guides.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 7:05:37 GMT
I was sadly moving at snails pace because I was extremely busy! Looks like flex got their stuff working which is good!
Since jer was wondering, my strategy was to parse through the forum pages extracting posts by content, name and likes. Storing that ins a normalized database and hosting it for someone who wanted access.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 5, 2016 12:52:49 GMT
I was sadly moving at snails pace because I was extremely busy! Looks like flex got their stuff working which is good! Since jer was wondering, my strategy was to parse through the forum pages extracting posts by content, name and likes. Storing that ins a normalized database and hosting it for someone who wanted access. Malloc=TuringComplete I didn't know what name he was going to use on these boards. Just to let you know, you can edit your display name in your profile to add capitalization or spaces. It just jams it together lower-case during registration.
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Post by Daemion on Aug 5, 2016 17:27:35 GMT
Another big question: If Fexelea is porting the entire forum and she has indicated that she has a server which can handle it... wouldn't it make more sense to move the entire community over there?
I have no stake in any forum, I'm just asking if it wouldn't make more sense to agree on just one instead of being splintered across several forums (although not having to deal with certain individuals again would be nice).
Right now we have 4 or 5 teams of people working on creating a new place for the community, wouldn't it be better to focus on just one and work together? Didn't Fexelea say she'd make noteable people from BSN moderators?
Personally I have run my share of forums/communities and been a mod... it's not something I'd want to do again longterm. Do any of you have the time and motivation to run a forum? For years? Without getting sick of it? While staying somewhat professional?
Think about what you're getting into. Do you want to work for several hours each night on top of your actual jobs? Or would you rather spread this out between a larger team of moderators?
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 5, 2016 19:02:51 GMT
Seems like Fexelea has had success with a proof of concept port of a small subforum. I would highly advise Cyonan and others I get into contact with her. Yes, I hope we can have this here as well. Not only are some of the threads and materials important, any forum with backwards compatibility will be more appealing for previous users of the original BSN. So what is the goal for this? We sign up with Fexelea and then our post counts remain intact?
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 6, 2016 20:52:51 GMT
Another big question: If Fexelea is porting the entire forum and she has indicated that she has a server which can handle it... wouldn't it make more sense to move the entire community over there? I have no stake in any forum, I'm just asking if it wouldn't make more sense to agree on just one instead of being splintered across several forums (although not having to deal with certain individuals again would be nice). Right now we have 4 or 5 teams of people working on creating a new place for the community, wouldn't it be better to focus on just one and work together? Didn't Fexelea say she'd make noteable people from BSN moderators? Personally I have run my share of forums/communities and been a mod... it's not something I'd want to do again longterm. Do any of you have the time and motivation to run a forum? For years? Without getting sick of it? While staying somewhat professional? Think about what you're getting into. Do you want to work for several hours each night on top of your actual jobs? Or would you rather spread this out between a larger team of moderators? At this particular juncture, having multiple options is better. Over time, a Nash Equilibrium will winnow the various forums down to smaller communities, and likely a couple will absorb more stragglers and and up being the largest. In fact, that's already largely the case. People have often made a big deal of "too many options," but in reality, other then proboards and Fextralife, the others are more niche forums that pre-existed the cancellation. Obviously there are some exceptions, and I think those serve to illustrate why it's important to have options. I don't want to dwell on melodrama, but it's a good thing everyone wasn't forcibly funneled into the first option that came into existence. In the long run, I suspect most of the alternatives wil survive, probably with 100-200 members. A few will drop off as membership dwindles. The bigger ones will probably run for quite some time. And there are advantages to being run by volunteers who do so because they want the place to exist.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 6, 2016 20:54:45 GMT
Yes, I hope we can have this here as well. Not only are some of the threads and materials important, any forum with backwards compatibility will be more appealing for previous users of the original BSN. So what is the goal for this? We sign up with Fexelea and then our post counts remain intact? Your post history, as well. Not everything would ultimately be preserved, but a great deal of it would.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 7, 2016 3:53:22 GMT
So what is the goal for this? We sign up with Fexelea and then our post counts remain intact? Your post history, as well. Not everything would ultimately be preserved, but a great deal of it would. In truth, I am not wholly attached to my post history in that regard. I kind of welcome the chance to start fresh. But I got a week or so to decide on that one.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 7, 2016 9:49:16 GMT
Seems like Fexelea started importing and linking accounts. MEA forum is up *looks at her 327 posts* I thought there was less in MEA section...While I doubt I'll be posting on that site, it's good to have my posts under my control. In case, you know, emergency
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Post by Daemion on Aug 7, 2016 15:07:27 GMT
Seems like Fexelea started importing and linking accounts. MEA forum is up *looks at her 327 posts* I thought there was less in MEA section...While I doubt I'll be posting on that site, it's good to have my posts under my control. In case, you know, emergency Woah... 1787 posts for ME:A alone... when did I write all that? Oo
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