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Post by koganei on Mar 24, 2017 12:48:24 GMT
omni gel to save his Ryder?
I mean when i first started, i got to use omni gel myself to rebuild my helmet.
and what's up with helmet kept getting broken (im only complete the first act so no spoilers please)
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 24, 2017 12:52:22 GMT
He was probably using a Biotic profile and forgot to ask SAM to switch to Engineer :'))
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 24, 2017 13:06:17 GMT
omni gel to save his Ryder? I mean when i first started, i got to use omni gel myself to rebuild my helmet. and what's up with helmet kept getting broken (im only complete the first act so no spoilers please) It took a pretty bad hit when Ryder first lands on Habitat 7. Ryders helmet only cracked, not full on burst open, when that happen. Omnigel is like a quick fix patch, like putting a band aid on it, the structural integratory of the helmet was already compromised.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 24, 2017 13:36:32 GMT
omni gel to save his Ryder? I mean when i first started, i got to use omni gel myself to rebuild my helmet. and what's up with helmet kept getting broken (im only complete the first act so no spoilers please) It took a pretty bad hit when Ryder first lands on Habitat 7. Ryders helmet only cracked, not full on burst open, when that happen. Omnigel is like a quick fix patch, like putting a band aid on it, the structural integratory of the helmet was already compromised. Omni-gel was more than a band-aid in ME1. It repaired the Mako, for instance.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 24, 2017 13:52:24 GMT
It took a pretty bad hit when Ryder first lands on Habitat 7. Ryders helmet only cracked, not full on burst open, when that happen. Omnigel is like a quick fix patch, like putting a band aid on it, the structural integratory of the helmet was already compromised. Omni-gel was more than a band-aid in ME1. It repaired the Mako, for instance. Yeah, but not from huge parts of the mako being missing. I feel like Andromeda has more realistic applications of technology as well. Ryder isn't going to be able to fabricate a whole helmet out of their omnitool after all.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 24, 2017 15:11:05 GMT
Omni-gel was more than a band-aid in ME1. It repaired the Mako, for instance. Yeah, but not from huge parts of the mako being missing. I feel like Andromeda has more realistic applications of technology as well. Ryder isn't going to be able to fabricate a whole helmet out of their omnitool after all. Ok. Really, we never knew the actual damage to the Mako, other than that it was on fire and about to explode. Then, apply the omni-gel, and go kill the hostiles like nothing ever happened. I am not going to argue the point too far, but it seems like omni-gel should fix a helmet crack.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 15:46:18 GMT
Share your helmet old man, instead of giving it to me.
By the way, do we ever get to see his body?
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Post by cooldude on Mar 24, 2017 17:35:57 GMT
Yeah. I don't know why they couldn't of just shared the helmet until evac had arrived. It ruins the drama that scene attempts to create. I also don't get why there was no body, and why I couldn't ask where his body was in-game.
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Post by Pokemario on Mar 24, 2017 18:00:32 GMT
By the way, do we ever get to see his body? Nope. Also asked the doctor how he died, and all he told me was "like a hero". THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 24, 2017 21:42:59 GMT
Yeah, but not from huge parts of the mako being missing. I feel like Andromeda has more realistic applications of technology as well. Ryder isn't going to be able to fabricate a whole helmet out of their omnitool after all. Ok. Really, we never knew the actual damage to the Mako, other than that it was on fire and about to explode. Then, apply the omni-gel, and go kill the hostiles like nothing ever happened. I am not going to argue the point too far, but it seems like omni-gel should fix a helmet crack. Rethinking this, Omnigel could fabricate stuff. But an omnitool is too small to fabricate larger stuff. So like a huge gaping hole in a helmet. Or it could be and Ryder Senior just didn't have enough of it.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 24, 2017 21:43:32 GMT
By the way, do we ever get to see his body? Nope. Also asked the doctor how he died, and all he told me was "like a hero". THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION By tvtrope logic, I am not assuming dad Ryder is dead until I see or find a body
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 25, 2017 6:17:19 GMT
It took a pretty bad hit when Ryder first lands on Habitat 7. Ryders helmet only cracked, not full on burst open, when that happen. Omnigel is like a quick fix patch, like putting a band aid on it, the structural integratory of the helmet was already compromised. Omni-gel was more than a band-aid in ME1. It repaired the Mako, for instance. It also hacked locks. It was some crazy shit. However, it did take a few moments to repair the Mako. Perhaps Ryder would have died before the repair could take place.
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Post by Kaibe on Mar 25, 2017 8:20:05 GMT
Have we even seen omnigel since the first game?
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Post by Lucky Punbot on Mar 25, 2017 21:58:33 GMT
Yeah. I don't know why they couldn't of just shared the helmet until evac had arrived. It ruins the drama that scene attempts to create. I also don't get why there was no body, and why I couldn't ask where his body was in-game. The atmosphere was toxic, I think. Trying to share the helmet would have ended up in both of them dying.
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Post by sdzald on Mar 27, 2017 20:51:14 GMT
Funny you should mention this. As I was watching the cut scene, not knowing what was going to happen, I envisioned them swapping the mask back in forth. I am a SCUBA diver and that is one of the first things you learn, buddy breathing.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 27, 2017 21:00:45 GMT
Share your helmet old man, instead of giving it to me. By the way, do we ever get to see his body? Ryder Junior still dies despite getting helmet from Alec. Air on Habitat 7 is extremely hazardous that even short exposure is lethal. SAM just narrowly saves you thanks to Alec naming Ryder Junior the Pathfinder.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 21:58:58 GMT
Share your helmet old man, instead of giving it to me. By the way, do we ever get to see his body? Ryder Junior still dies despite getting helmet from Alec. Air on Habitat 7 is extremely hazardous that even short exposure is lethal. SAM just narrowly saves you thanks to Alec naming Ryder Junior the Pathfinder. Ok, I can accept that. But I would be happier if they explicitly told us in the game that it was because of SAM that we're alive, not just implied. I would have definitely asked. After all, I'm a "consider all options" kind of gal.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 27, 2017 22:05:36 GMT
omni gel to save his Ryder? I mean when i first started, i got to use omni gel myself to rebuild my helmet. and what's up with helmet kept getting broken (im only complete the first act so no spoilers please) An easier solution would of been to keep the oxygen tanks blowing a stream of oxygen past your face so you could still breath to a set degree,in fact i have done this exact thing with EDBA equipment in a smoke filled environment.
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Post by jastall on Mar 27, 2017 23:46:13 GMT
Ryder's faceplate only had a small puncture at first. The second time, it was completely shattered. An Omni-Tool is a marvelous piece of engineering to say the least, but it's not that good.
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Post by amleth on Mar 28, 2017 19:39:14 GMT
So you can fabricate an omniblade in about a second but not a face plate? Also yea oxygen sharing is a thing even divers today do too. So yea ME:A because fuck logic
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Post by themikefest on Mar 28, 2017 20:54:39 GMT
It is odd the kid can't see the body. I wonder if it was taken back onto the Hyperion?
It's just another lame death like some of the deaths in ME3. There had to be a death, so dad volunteered. I would do the same for my kid, but I would also share the helmet. Also, what was Cora and Liam doing? I'm sure something could have been done. Yeah. It was lame.
Could have dad alive, but in serious condition not knowing if/when he wakes up. Maybe at the end he wakes up and hears about all the things his kid has done. All three are seen together having a big hug. I don't know.
Next time there's a family involved, have someone else die instead of a family member
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 28, 2017 21:42:02 GMT
I'm starting to hate this question. Sorry to OP, but I am.
There's plenty of details of this scenario that make such a thing impossible.
Like I'm feeling like I'm a bit on crazy pills as I read people explaining how its just sooo possible to share the helmet. It isn't.
In a different scenario, sure. But this was a contrivance (that's the part that I think can be subjectively valid to complain about) that made such a thing not possible.
And no, omniblades are a very different thing and if we tried to repair/create a helmet in the same way, it'd sear the face off of Ryder. That's how even the smaller repair was shown to noticeably provide tension. Its super friggin hot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 22:31:24 GMT
I'm starting to hate this question. Sorry to OP, but I am. There's plenty of details of this scenario that make such a thing impossible. Like I'm feeling like I'm a bit on crazy pills as I read people explaining how its just sooo possible to share the helmet. It isn't. In a different scenario, sure. But this was a contrivance (that's the part that I think can be subjectively valid to complain about) that made such a thing not possible. And no, omniblades are a very different thing and if we tried to repair/create a helmet in the same way, it'd sear the face off of Ryder. That's how even the smaller repair was shown to noticeably provide tension. Its super friggin hot. Well, one thing's for sure, that's some shitty helmets that the Initiative provides for their explorers. You'd think in the future, with knowledge from that many species, they would have found better materials. But yeah, we can create mass effect fields from our bodies, create an almost indestructible blade from an omni tool, that can also shoot fire, ice, implant an Ai in your head, travel 2.5 million light years away using a drive developed in the 10 years of the project (in a galactic society that existed for more than 2500 years), but can't have decent helmets for the leader explorers, or a technology that can repair a completed destroyed visor.
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Post by sdzald on Mar 28, 2017 22:39:30 GMT
What do you expect from the Mr Walters and the other writers at Bioware? They could of come up with a bunch of good stories that allowed 'Dad" to sacrifice himself without resorting to a broken helmet. Of course I am NOT surprised at all by the poor writing in this game, as long as Mr Walters is the led that is what we will get.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 22:43:30 GMT
What do you expect from the Mr Walters and the other writers at Bioware? They could of come up with a bunch of good stories that allowed 'Dad" to sacrifice himself without resorting to a broken helmet. Of course I am NOT surprised at all by the poor writing in this game, as long as Mr Walters is the led that is what we will get. Yeah, I wouldn't care about things happening, maybe the Archon kills Dad, or he dies activating that Remnant vault. The problem is the way it's presented to us. It cheapens things. They love to try drama, don't they?
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