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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Oct 24, 2016 19:40:22 GMT
This always make me chuckle when women tell me that. Women always believe if they touch heavy-ish weights and do some ''real lifting'' they'll instantly become mannish buff bodybuilders. Let me tell you, for a man it requires multiple years of ''real'' frequent lifting to become what could be considered ''buff''. For a woman, with the high estrogen levels its even harder. Those women that look buff and off-putting to you have multiple years of professional strength training under their belt and the transformation was painstakingly sloooooow. (Talking about natural people here) Should you ever come to the point you think you're becoming too buff you can simply stop. But believe me, you will never reach that level. That's not what I meant at all. I'm aware it's a very slow process for women (and men too). My point was that men usually do heavy weights so they'll eventually look buff. I see few men in the gym doing certain leg exercises or butt exercises. Fewer men do yoga. I'm all for women doing more "real" strength exercises rather than just doing cardio to stay slim. And I do think semi-buff women look good. However, it's beside the point if a woman will ever end up looking buff, I don't see the point of going for that kind of routine when the goal is very different. It is correct that everybody benefits from building up muscles - to a certain degree. Together with cardio. It doesn't take super heavy lifting to be heathy. That was my point. You built your training around the goal of strongman. Others train differently for different goals. Unless you're suggesting that there is a first step that is the basis for everything else, meaning everybody starts out the same and then branches off? I could see that. A certain level of strength is beneficial for every sport. (Sorry for pointless arguing. I'm done now.) What I mean is you need to lift heavy with few repetitions in order to build muscle, which has nothing to do with strongman. No matter what you train for if you do not make your body realize its too weak for the weights you're using nothing is going to happen. Its a generally accepted fact that most muscular hypertrophy happens in the 6-10 repetition area. Which means you have to use weights you can move about 8 times with the last repetition being so hard you can barely finish it. If you do no not want to do ''real'' lifting and use weights that are below your 8 rep max progress will be minimal. For results you need to lift hard and you need to make sure you are indeed using your maximum 8 repetition weight. Otherwise your body will see no reason to build muscle and get stronger because its current shape is completely adequate to move those sub-maximal weights around. Training will become work . Strongman is a different animal, we lift much heavier weights with even less repetitions (as low as 1-3 repetitions), in combination with a lot of different training cycles (speed repetitions, pyramid & reverse pyramid exercises etc.). That results in less muscle mass building but it increases strength in the sense of neurological adaption, practice, ''explosiveness'' and simply getting used to lifting heavy stuff. Strongmen need to do both muscle building and strength exercises to become truly strong. Since we do both we cannot put all our focus on muscle building exercises - thats why bodybuilders are usually bigger and more toned than lifters, but lifters are stronger.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 26, 2016 13:27:32 GMT
OK, yes, that is something I learned only fairly recently through my gym crazy friend. I used to think muscles grow through repetition for most of my life, haha. However, it's not like more than 10 repetitions are a complete waste. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the number of repetitions simply determine HOW you train your body, no? If you want more endurance, you do more repetitions. A rock climber needs endurance more than maximum strength, for example. So does a hiker. Basically, all the stuff I like doing requires endurance more than absolute strength. ...which brings me back to the point I was trying to make. I want some of both. Also, I injure myself very easily when lifting something because my body has always been extremely slim. So my muscles are not used to lifting anything really. I walk over pebbles like a feather but I often fail to open bottles. ;D My muscles cramp super fast too. I never went to a gym in my life until last year. So I really gotta start slow. My physiotherapist too told me to start with 15-20 repetitions and light weights. You are right of course that in order to build up muscles effectively you also need to try and lift/pull a weight that is too hard to signal your body that something needs to change. Still, not easy for me to know what is ok for my body and what is too much. So I'll first try to establish a basic level of fitness via light weights/lots of repetitions this time so I don't end up with back pain again. I tried to increase too quickly, disregarding my body's post-injury weakness, I can be impatient. And it didn't help going with a friend who's already fairly strong and who encouraged me to try heavier weights and fewer repetitions. That is all.
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 29, 2016 22:41:36 GMT
I was making decent gains finally after conquering my lazy procrastination that hits me from time to time. But no, it has to stop thanks to an old injury that creeps up once in a while, my stupid lower back. I was doing warm up with an empty bar and I must have made a fraction of a movement my lower back didn't like, slip disc. Like you have to be fucking kidding me, an empty bar. There went my weekend plans of getting stuff done around the house and who knows how long I'll be out of the gym.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 17, 2016 20:42:03 GMT
Injured my left knee a couple of weeks ago, lacked the stability to do squats and especially heavy deadlifts - but I'm slowly regaining my old strength. Could already do a couple of 217kg / 480 lbs reps without any problems. Also this thread is so abandoned, where are all the lifters?
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Dec 10, 2016 14:58:50 GMT
A great diagram about how to overhead press. Contrary to popular belief and teachings it is perfectly ok to lean a little back with your hips and having the shoulders behind your hips in the starting position. Thats the only way to overhead press heavy weights and if you have a properly strong core your spine will not be harmed.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Dec 18, 2016 23:11:20 GMT
Yeah thats pretty much basic strength training 101. I want to add that as a common rule big muscle groups should get 72 hours (chest, thighs, back,..) and small groups (biceps, triceps, shoulders, calves) 24 hours of rest before working them again, directly or indirectly. Also I highly recommend high bar barbell squats for your goals, that exercise works your abs, thighs, , hamstrings, back and butt very hard. You can easily spot women who squat, its those with tight legs, great butts and perfect posture.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Dec 18, 2016 23:53:01 GMT
Yeah thats pretty much basic strength training 101. I want to add that as a common rule big muscle groups should get 72 hours (chest, thighs, back,..) and small groups (biceps, triceps, shoulders, calves) 24 hours of rest before working them again, directly or indirectly. Also I highly recommend high bar barbell squats for your goals, that exercise works your abs, thighs, , hamstrings, back and butt very hard. You can easily spot women who squat, its those with tight legs, great butts and perfect posture. When you say working them out "indirectly," how much does that include? I lift cases of wine pretty regularly at work. Am I ruining my weight training efforts when I do my job?
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Dec 19, 2016 0:15:08 GMT
Yeah thats pretty much basic strength training 101. I want to add that as a common rule big muscle groups should get 72 hours (chest, thighs, back,..) and small groups (biceps, triceps, shoulders, calves) 24 hours of rest before working them again, directly or indirectly. Also I highly recommend high bar barbell squats for your goals, that exercise works your abs, thighs, , hamstrings, back and butt very hard. You can easily spot women who squat, its those with tight legs, great butts and perfect posture. When you say working them out "indirectly," how much does that include? I lift cases of wine pretty regularly at work. Am I ruining my weight training efforts when I do my job? How much is hard to say and probably different from person to person. Thats one of those things you will have to figure out for yourself through trial and error, a deeper understanding comes with experience. For example, lets say you do heavy shoulder presses (seated) and the next day you do barbell squats. While squats is a leg, core and mid-lower back exercise you'll still need your shoulders and upper back as static stabilizers to hold the bar in place. They're only in static and not dynamic use but it still stresses them which will compromise their regeneration and your strength gains somewhat. Are your shoulders completely trashed from the workout you did yesterday you will experience minor instability and your squat results will suffer. Lifting stuff in your daily grind will also have some effect, but it really depends on the workload. Its nigh impossible to come up with a plan that gives all muscle groups perfect rest without stressing them in other exercises, all exercises kind of interfere with each other, so every exercise plan is a compromise. Thats just the way it is. What really helps is knowing the exercises inside out, what the main target muscles are and what muscles are used as secondary stabilizers. Also you have to set priorities, which exercise is more important than others etc. Only then you can draw logical conclusions and make a better exercise plan that gives you good results.
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Post by Debaser on Feb 3, 2017 22:11:35 GMT
Started going to the gym for the first time in a long time this week and getting back into squats is quite humbling. My bench press was much better than I thought it would be despite 6+ years of no core lifting/gym my squats were pretty embarrassing tho. I'm not sure how productive I'll be tonight at the gym but I oughta go to at least create the habit. Dreading these squats probably why I am on the BSN instead of getting ready lol.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 3, 2017 22:20:16 GMT
Started going to the gym for the first time in a long time this week and getting back into squats is quite humbling. My bench press was much better than I thought it would be despite 6+ years of no core lifting/gym my squats were pretty embarrassing tho. I'm not sure how productive I'll be tonight at the gym but I oughta go to at least create the habit. Dreading these squats probably why I am on the BSN instead of getting ready lol. Squats is a highly technical lift so it makes only sense that its one of the weakest lifts for you now, after your long pause. Going with relatively light weights and trying to totally nail the technique would be the best approach, in my opinion. Use light weights, try to to lift with perfect form and when you think you've got it switch to serious weights. Treat it like a warm-up. As for my training, I just benched 150kg / 330lbs, with flat back - not power lifting style, like you know, that super curved body. I'm happy with that, could have done more but no reason to push it today.
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Post by Debaser on Feb 3, 2017 22:41:47 GMT
Started going to the gym for the first time in a long time this week and getting back into squats is quite humbling. My bench press was much better than I thought it would be despite 6+ years of no core lifting/gym my squats were pretty embarrassing tho. I'm not sure how productive I'll be tonight at the gym but I oughta go to at least create the habit. Dreading these squats probably why I am on the BSN instead of getting ready lol. Squats is a highly technical lift so it makes only sense that its one of the weakest lifts for you now, after your long pause. Going with relatively light weights and trying to totally nail the technique would be the best approach, in my opinion. Use light weights, try to to lift with perfect form and when you think you've got it switch to serious weights. Treat it like a warm-up. As for my training, I just benched 150kg / 330lbs, with flat back - not power lifting style, like you know, that super curved body. I'm happy with that, could have done more but no reason to push it today. Yup I agree, my plan for today was to do as little weight as possible and just get the reps in for technique and whatever little training it will give me. My thighs have been killing me and I teach on the second floor and those stairs haven't been nice at all to me this week. I'm probably going to sit on the couch most of the weekend and recover but I might do some light walking if it is nice out. Nice job on the bench press too. I've never been able to bench like that even back in high school when I power lifted I always laid flat on the bench. I dunno I always found it uncomfortable and distracting and I'd just rather bench the few extra inches.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 3, 2017 23:27:23 GMT
]Yup I agree, my plan for today was to do as little weight as possible and just get the reps in for technique and whatever little training it will give me. My thighs have been killing me and I teach on the second floor and those stairs haven't been nice at all to me this week. I'm probably going to sit on the couch most of the weekend and recover but I might do some light walking if it is nice out. I have been lifting hard without any noteworthy pause for over a decade now and my legs still give me great pain after leg day, every week. Next day I can hardly get up from the toilet, LOL. What helps is warm showers and light cardio, its my understanding that this improves the blood flow to the aching muscles which relaxes them a bit, speeds up the healing process and ''washes'' away trash that damaged cells create. In any case, keep up the good work, squatting heavy is plain awesome and its such an essential lift. Thank you. Yeah, that super arched back in combination with a super wide grip does help a lot, some can arch their back so hard the bar hardly needs to move a foot to touch their chest and complete the repetition. Personally, I do not consider it a full repetition if the elbows do not reach the same level as the bench at the bottom of the lift. I rather bench 350 with this form than bench 400+ while curling up like a dried leaf. I mean, yeah....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 8:56:29 GMT
If you want to lift like the people did in medieval times, here's a pro tip:
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Post by Patricia on Feb 7, 2017 11:08:46 GMT
Also this thread is so abandoned, where are all the lifters? I do lift weights but they are very light weights just to gain some strength and that's all. And i certainly don't want to look like this woman i would find myself really ugly if i would go that far. This year i want to run half a marathon but just for fun.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 11:11:29 GMT
Also this thread is so abandoned, where are all the lifters? I do lift weights but they are very light weights just to gain some strength and that's all. And i certainly don't want to look like this woman i would find myself really ugly if i would go that far. This year i want to run half a marathon but just for fun. To get in that condition, I'm pretty sure you'll have to do a lot more than just weight lifting. Steroids come to mind...
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Post by Patricia on Feb 7, 2017 11:21:56 GMT
I do lift weights but they are very light weights just to gain some strength and that's all. And i certainly don't want to look like this woman i would find myself really ugly if i would go that far. This year i want to run half a marathon but just for fun. To get in that condition, I'm pretty sure you'll have to do a lot more than just weight lifting. Steroids come to mind... Yes you're probably right.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 7, 2017 11:34:10 GMT
Also this thread is so abandoned, where are all the lifters? I do lift weights but they are very light weights just to gain some strength and that's all. And i certainly don't want to look like this woman i would find myself really ugly if i would go that far. This year i want to run half a marathon but just for fun. Hah, you'll never look like that even if you tried really hard. To look like that you need to have a constant river of roids and growth hormones running in your veins. Also, you said you do not lift heavy. Remember, any weight lifting that does not use your muscles to full capacity is not training but work and ultimately a complete waste of time. So if you're waving around those colorful 3kg ''womens'' dumbbells you're doing it wrong. Any person who wants to gain some muscle needs to lift heavy, no matter if you are a complete beginner or an experienced power lifter. If you do it right and lift heavy you'll look like this in a couple of years:
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 7, 2017 21:50:30 GMT
I don't even attempt any kind of personal bests for weights and I don't do certain lifts that I deem big injury risks for me. (No dead lift for me) I'm older than most of the work out artists so it's not worth it for me to go too extreme and possibly be out of commission for a long time.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 7, 2017 22:44:13 GMT
I don't even attempt any kind of personal bests for weights and I don't do certain lifts that I deem big injury risks for me. (No dead lift for me) I'm older than most of the work out artists so it's not worth it for me to go too extreme and possibly be out of commission for a long time. Deadlift with heavy weights is absolutely and perfectly safe if you use correct form. Once you go so heavy you start to curve your spine or your knees start to point inwards is when you enter the danger zone. In lifting ego is your worst enemy. The funny thing is, what I've learned in lifting is when you're very fit, like you have been lifting for many many years really hard you can use bad form and not injure yourself because of the muscle protecting you. Its not advisable but it can be done every now and then to push personal bests without turning into a cripple. I can overhead press while leaning back hard and dead lift with a slightly curved spine to move even more weight with absolutely no ill effects. Doing that would have immediately put me out of commission for weeks 5 years ago. And just for the record, according to my doc my spine and joints are very healthy.
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 7, 2017 22:49:34 GMT
That is the thing though as you approach a very best or as much as you can do the form starts to suffer and that is where you can get hurt. I use very good form on on most of what I do. Just not worth pushing that envelope for me at this point.
As an aside at the place I workout there are a ton of guys who lift tons of weights but never use good form at all. They want to use the heavy weight for great muscle growth but their poor form means they are not working the muscles they should be working.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 7, 2017 23:05:44 GMT
Depends, using your full body to move as much weight as possible is an important thing to learn to gain strength, trying to isolate muscle groups is the best way to build muscle. A power lifter has to incorporate both techniques into his exercise routine to get truly strong.
If you want to move heavy weights but you don't know how to use your entire body to do it you will be weak, if you are always using your entire body for every single exercise you will be weak because muscle growth is limited.
I use both techniques and I've become very strong.
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Post by Patricia on Feb 8, 2017 15:04:14 GMT
Also, you said you do not lift heavy. Remember, any weight lifting that does not use your muscles to full capacity is not training but work and ultimately a complete waste of time. So if you're waving around those colorful 3kg ''womens'' dumbbells you're doing it wrong. Any person who wants to gain some muscle needs to lift heavy, no matter if you are a complete beginner or an experienced power lifter. Well maybe it is a waste of time but i hike from time to time and sometimes that involves climbing a mountain so a little strength will then come in handy. But i do not have time to hike often enough so i keep my strength up by lifting those weights. Maybe when i said that i wanted to gain some strength i really meant that i just wanted to keep my strength up. And also there is nothing wrong with my butt and the rest what the picture says.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 8, 2017 17:00:58 GMT
And also there is nothing wrong with my butt and the rest what the picture says. Nay I say! Since perfection is impossible there is always room for improvement, always.
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