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Post by Plague Doctor on Mar 29, 2017 17:02:04 GMT

Mar 29, 2017 16:53:11 GMT 10k said:

Mar 29, 2017 14:14:28 GMT griffith82 said:

It does. Some Asari are more masculine. Just look st Matriarch Atheta.

Just because some are masculine doesn't mean anything. There are no "patriarchal" figures in asari culture. The pronoun "he' means nothing to them.

It does since they made contact with bi-gendered cultures. I can guarantee you 100% that if we ever make contact with a tri-gendered species, where the third gender is Remale, there will be thousands of humans wanting to be adressed as such in less than a week. Same with Asari and male pronouns.

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Post by colfoley on Mar 29, 2017 18:17:20 GMT

Mar 29, 2017 13:46:06 GMT lyvean said:

Mar 28, 2017 23:53:12 GMT colfoley said:

Its about character growth and its about development and the themes of the game. Even Ryder can be played as a remarkably insecure kid just trying to make the best out of a bad situation. It makes sense that the characters on the ship match this theme because one of the main themes in the game is 'homecoming'. People are trying to find their place in the universe. Even Vetra. Drack really isn't because he is a Krogan and just dosen't care.

And actually most people who felt out of place and had issues in the Meeelky Way would volunteer for an expedition like this. Packing up roots and moving on is not a job for 'professionals' its a job for scared lonely people who just want a new start.

They are trying to find their place in the universe?

So, they have time to spill out their guts about their problems so the all mighty player can help them like a the savior he is, because they need the support from the psychologist-captain, but they feel fine enough to enter a galaxy as aliens and start shooting shit up in order to find their place?

Can you even realize how immature and bad the concept of the story is in this game?

the concept is great. The story is great. And the crew on the ship does not have time to spill their guts out. The player activelty seeks them out.

Tell me is this your first Bioware game?

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Post by peabuddie on Mar 30, 2017 5:35:29 GMT

Mar 29, 2017 14:26:56 GMT Giant Ambush Beetle said:

Mar 28, 2017 23:53:47 GMT peabuddie said:

SO true. Also I have never talked to people so much in my life. Real or imagined life. (Well maybe Morrowind or something but it's not the same at least to me) Those people are so needy. EVERY time I got back to the ship "so and so wants to see you also so and so else wants to speak with you) It just goes on and on and on an on and.....I finished it and I don't know if I can ever play it again because it's just too much talk and not enough combat, which is the best part of the game.

If you don't like talking, then simply don't talk. You can nearly completely ignore all of the squadmates.

I really don't get all those countless single digit IQ fuckers who say they don't like XYZ when its completely optional.

Well I wouldn't say I'm single IQ. My IQ is quite high actually as determined by a professional testing while attending university many years ago. Why pray tell would I ignore these requests on my first play through of a game? Why would anyone? It's a first playthrough, you would like the game to progress. Now if I feel a need to do these discussions a second time around it would be because I am basically a bit obsessive compulsive. Guess what? I'm me, I'm not you. I know hard to comprehend isn't it? What I don't get is the social immaturity of insulting complete strangers for their opinion on a video game. Now go ask mommy to give you a good night kiss and get some sleep. Your little brain needs time to grow.

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Post by adrynbliss on Mar 30, 2017 5:40:19 GMT

Funny thing, perception.
I've actually felt the opposite, that they have not been nearly as open as past companions, after 80+ hours I still feel like I don't really know them that well. Ironically, I feel like I know most about PB, the character that is supposed to be the most closed off, from what she says to drack through banter.
This is what gives me the impression that people are jumping on 'hate sjws' bandwagon.

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Post by ayenari on Mar 30, 2017 6:10:43 GMT

Mar 29, 2017 14:14:28 GMT griffith82 said:

Mar 29, 2017 13:26:58 GMT 10k said:

It's funny, because it's true. I walked into a conversation an asari was having with an aragaran and they were talking about pronouns and that there are asari that's use the "they" and "he" pronouns. I faced palmed so hard. I wouldn't even think the pronoun "he" had any meaning in asari culture.

It does. Some Asari are more masculine. Just look st Matriarch Atheta.

Asari have no concept of multiple genders. This has already been established throughout the original trilogy quite explicitly.

It's amateur hour writing thinking it's OK to so blatantly retcon previously established lore for no other reason than to insert contemporary identity politics. If that conversation was deemed needed by the writer, at least use a race in it among whom the concept portrayed is plausible in the setting, such as a Human.

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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 30, 2017 6:12:34 GMT

Mar 28, 2017 20:33:50 GMT mastert said:

Tumblr the game, a 16 year old girls fantasy story.

It literally feels like some parody, before the game came out people were saying no bigots all the time I thought it was some joke, when i saw the text word for word in the game i nearly lost my shit.

I never used Tumblr, Twitter or any other media because I know my real world bosses watch that stuff carefully. However, I just saw what Tumblr is and... man, you're funny.

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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 30, 2017 6:14:45 GMT

Mar 28, 2017 23:53:12 GMT colfoley said:

Its about character growth and its about development and the themes of the game. Even Ryder can be played as a remarkably insecure kid just trying to make the best out of a bad situation. It makes sense that the characters on the ship match this theme because one of the main themes in the game is 'homecoming'. People are trying to find their place in the universe. Even Vetra. Drack really isn't because he is a Krogan and just dosen't care.

And actually most people who felt out of place and had issues in the Meeelky Way would volunteer for an expedition like this. Packing up roots and moving on is not a job for 'professionals' its a job for scared lonely people who just want a new start.

Well said!

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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 30, 2017 6:27:08 GMT

A better question is...

Why are you asking them about their pasts, lives, and ideas if you don't want to hear them?

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Post by commandercole5 on Mar 30, 2017 6:33:30 GMT

Mar 30, 2017 6:12:34 GMT Cyan_Griffonclaw said:

Mar 28, 2017 20:33:50 GMT mastert said:

Tumblr the game, a 16 year old girls fantasy story.

It literally feels like some parody, before the game came out people were saying no bigots all the time I thought it was some joke, when i saw the text word for word in the game i nearly lost my shit.

I never used Tumblr, Twitter or any other media because I know my real world bosses watch that stuff carefully. However, I just saw what Tumblr is and... man, you're funny.

I mean you could do what the rest of us do and lie.

But yeah he's blowin smoke out of his ass

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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 30, 2017 6:40:51 GMT

Mar 29, 2017 15:41:01 GMT qwib said:

And I play bw games to live out my shrink fantasies.

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"So... (insert your character here, for me...) Jack... mmm... What can I do for you?"

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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 30, 2017 7:22:25 GMT

Mar 28, 2017 21:20:54 GMT cotheer said:

Mar 28, 2017 21:11:57 GMT Liara said:

I have...strange feelings

haha just searched for this. and it's fake

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Post by qwib on Mar 30, 2017 10:55:06 GMT

Mar 30, 2017 6:40:51 GMT Cyan_Griffonclaw said:

Mar 29, 2017 15:41:01 GMT qwib said:

And I play bw games to live out my shrink fantasies.

Coming down the stairs of the Normandy SR-2 on the way to engineering:

"So... (insert your character here, for me...) Jack... mmm... What can I do for you?"

You have no idea how many hours I spend down there.

Or Morrigan and Miranda... God they have some issues. Thankfully the tempest has a huge coach.

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Post by griffith82 on Mar 30, 2017 19:17:09 GMT

Mar 30, 2017 6:10:43 GMT ayenari said:

Mar 29, 2017 14:14:28 GMT griffith82 said:

It does. Some Asari are more masculine. Just look st Matriarch Atheta.

Asari have no concept of multiple genders. This has already been established throughout the original trilogy quite explicitly.

It's amateur hour writing thinking it's OK to so blatantly retcon previously established lore for no other reason than to insert contemporary identity politics. If that conversation was deemed needed by the writer, at least use a race in it among whom the concept portrayed is plausible in the setting, such as a Human.

Except it isn't a retcon they clearly identify other genders hence using father many times. You have to read between the lines. Clearly I'm in the minority on this issue and that's fine I just disagree.

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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 30, 2017 19:32:59 GMT

Actually, here is one thing I don't like about the character interactions in ME:A:
You cannot be anything bu nice to people. That's really upsetting me. Ryder is always such a nice guy/girl it really takes away from the role playing. At least Shepard could sometimes yell at people to get their shit together (I enjoyed the renegade options in some of those dialogues where you can tell Miranda that Cerberus is crap and she just makes excuses or tell Jack & Miri to cut it the hell out when they fight).

I don't even want to be an asshole renegade but sometimes I just feel like there are sensible roleplaying options missing from dialogue. A few examples:

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When Suvi talks about her religion, I can either say that I believe as well or politely say that I don't. Where is the option to just dismiss her stance entirely or even laugh at her (ok, guess that would be the asshole option but still, it would be nice to have it).

Or when Peebee is making a pass at me in the zero-G escape pod, I can either go for it or politely turn her down, after which I can either say "sorry I didn't go for it" or say "I hope you are ok". Why can't I completely freak out? Especially because my Ryder was already starting something with someone else at the time, it would be understandable for some Ryders to just get out of there immediately and let PB know in no uncertain terms how inappropriate this was. (BTW, I thought that scene was so awkward, like right out of some cheap softporn, you might find included in a Fornax magazone or something but anyway, not the point.)

I wanted to be able to call Lexi a quitter when she asks me to tell Jaal that there is nothing we can do to turn the Chosen back into Angara.

I wanted to tell Liam to please put a shirt on for god's sakes.

You know, stuff like that because the ability to be antagonistic is necessary for a positive attitude to have any meaning. It would also help with replay value. Hope they'll up the ante on that aspect again in the next game.

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Mar 29, 2017 13:26:58 GMT 10k said:

Mar 28, 2017 20:36:25 GMT Andrew Lucas said:

SJWs.

It's funny, because it's true. I walked into a conversation an asari was having with an aragaran and they were talking about pronouns and that there are asari that's use the "they" and "he" pronouns. I faced palmed so hard. I wouldn't even think the pronoun "he" had any meaning in asari culture.

It probably doesn't have any more meaning to them than female pronouns.

Maybe rejection of genderization is the point.

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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 30, 2017 22:53:59 GMT

I've caught myself thinking "fucking civilians" then laughing a little more than once playing though the game.

I think it's caused by us being used to the somewhat more professional military setting, while Andromeda are actually a bunch of normal people who are being put into an extremely stressful situation of life and death, war and the possibility of death around every corner. Not being used to that kind of life is sure to put people one the edge, and I kinda feel like they actually did a fairly good job showing that in the writing. I don't think they were whiney, but they certainly managed to show that they were uncertain of how to tackle many of the challenges they came across in Andromeda.

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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 30, 2017 22:59:48 GMT

Mar 30, 2017 19:17:09 GMT griffith82 said:

Mar 30, 2017 6:10:43 GMT ayenari said:

Asari have no concept of multiple genders. This has already been established throughout the original trilogy quite explicitly.

It's amateur hour writing thinking it's OK to so blatantly retcon previously established lore for no other reason than to insert contemporary identity politics. If that conversation was deemed needed by the writer, at least use a race in it among whom the concept portrayed is plausible in the setting, such as a Human.

Except it isn't a retcon they clearly identify other genders hence using father many times. You have to read between the lines. Clearly I'm in the minority on this issue and that's fine I just disagree.

I haven't actually noticed the conversation in the game, however based on what I'm seeing here and having at least a fair understanding of linguistics I can say that it is unlikely that the Asari would have a gender pronoun in their language which they use to describe a person. It'd most likely be a gender neutral pronoun. The language could of course differentiate between male and female through pronouns (like, in norwegian a cabin is a female word when using proper grammar, but if we were mono-gendered we would probably still use a gender neutral word to describe ourselves), but I find it highly unlikely that they've chosen to identify as either male of female in their language.

Putting contemporay identity politics into the game is just stupid. This shit is sinking far into society on far too many levels, no matter where you stand on the issue.

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Post by kaind on Mar 30, 2017 23:08:44 GMT

Mar 28, 2017 23:53:12 GMT colfoley said:

Even Ryder can be played as a remarkably insecure kid

No, no.. Ryder IS a remarkably insecure kid and there is nothing we can do about it.

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Mar 30, 2017 19:17:09 GMT griffith82 said:

Mar 30, 2017 6:10:43 GMT ayenari said:

Asari have no concept of multiple genders. This has already been established throughout the original trilogy quite explicitly.

It's amateur hour writing thinking it's OK to so blatantly retcon previously established lore for no other reason than to insert contemporary identity politics. If that conversation was deemed needed by the writer, at least use a race in it among whom the concept portrayed is plausible in the setting, such as a Human.

Except it isn't a retcon they clearly identify other genders hence using father many times. You have to read between the lines. Clearly I'm in the minority on this issue and that's fine I just disagree.

I get what you're saying.

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Mar 30, 2017 6:10:43 GMT ayenari said:

Mar 29, 2017 14:14:28 GMT griffith82 said:

It does. Some Asari are more masculine. Just look st Matriarch Atheta.

Asari have no concept of multiple genders. This has already been established throughout the original trilogy quite explicitly.

It's amateur hour writing thinking it's OK to so blatantly retcon previously established lore for no other reason than to insert contemporary identity politics. If that conversation was deemed needed by the writer, at least use a race in it among whom the concept portrayed is plausible in the setting, such as a Human.

They did it with the Qun and they're doing it here. They've obviously been forced to write things that please everyone rather than to write the story they want. And when you try to please everyone you just end up with dysfunction or mediocrity. Too many cooks in the kitchen and all that.

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