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Post by griffith82 on Mar 31, 2017 2:13:04 GMT
Except it isn't a retcon they clearly identify other genders hence using father many times. You have to read between the lines. Clearly I'm in the minority on this issue and that's fine I just disagree. Putting contemporay identity politics into the game is just stupid. This shit is sinking far into society on far too many levels, no matter where you stand on the issue. I disagree. IMO it's not politics when it is a real issue, it becomes an issue because we (humans) hate things that are different. I applaud them for being brave enough to do it. |
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 1, 2017 15:58:34 GMT
I disagree. IMO it's not politics when it is a real issue, it becomes an issue because we (humans) hate things that are different. I applaud them for being brave enough to do it. People are going to assume it's politics because there is no other logical reason to change the established lore other than politics. The change does nothing to improve the story in any shape, form or fashion so what is the point other than trying to make a statement? We've already seen that Bioware was bullied into changing the Qun because the Qun weren't cuddly and PC enough and this is no different. Any change that is not made for the betterment of the writing will be held up to scrutiny as it should be. |
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 1, 2017 16:10:33 GMT
I disagree. IMO it's not politics when it is a real issue, it becomes an issue because we (humans) hate things that are different. I applaud them for being brave enough to do it. People are going to assume it's politics because there is no other logical reason to change the established lore other than politics. The change does nothing to improve the story in any shape, form or fashion so what is the point other than trying to make a statement? We've already seen that Bioware was bullied into changing the Qun because the Qun weren't cuddly and PC enough and this is no different. Any change that is not made for the betterment of the writing will be held up to scrutiny as it should be. As I've stated I think it does. IMO it adds depth to the Asari. You don't and that's fine. |
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 1, 2017 16:30:03 GMT
People are going to assume it's politics because there is no other logical reason to change the established lore other than politics. The change does nothing to improve the story in any shape, form or fashion so what is the point other than trying to make a statement? We've already seen that Bioware was bullied into changing the Qun because the Qun weren't cuddly and PC enough and this is no different. Any change that is not made for the betterment of the writing will be held up to scrutiny as it should be. As I've stated I think it does. IMO it adds depth to the Asari. You don't and that's fine. Depth? How does having a penis or not having a penis add depth to any character? Does it change how you converse with them? No. Does it affect how they behave as opposed to the other gender? No. Do they look different than the other gender? No. Does it have an affect on their social life? No. Does it have an affect on their politics? No. Does it have any effect whatsoever on the story? NO. NONE. NIET Can someone find it interesting? Sure. Seahorses are interesting too. But that doesn't really have anything to do with the writing of this story. I don't think that is a legitimate reason to change the writing. |
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Post by NormandySR3 on Apr 1, 2017 16:37:59 GMT
Well, we first have to acknowledge that men and women ARE different, generally speaking.
There were a lot more female devs working on this game than in previous ME titles. So naturally its going to have a greater emphasis on the verbal (there are more words in this game than all the other ME titles combined). It's nothing against women; its just a difference between the sexes. Guys tend to appreciate the combat more, the strategy, leveling, getting the job done and saving the galaxy, etc. Girls tend to appreciate the relationships more, the drama, the political intrigue, and yes, sharing one's feelings. This game clearly wants to appeal to its female player-base, more so than in previous ME titles (n.b., also seeing women mostly in top leadership positions).
Now, is it realistic that hardened soldiers would be so talkative and wear their hearts on their sleeves? Not really. But I'm not sure the devs were going for believability in this game. You have to suspend disbelief a little. It took me a while to get over, for example, how insecure Scott Ryder is compared to the mission demanded of him (e.g., taking insults personally, whereas the magnanimous Shepard would just ignore them).
In real life, a Scott Ryder would not accomplish this much.
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Post by NormandySR3 on Apr 10, 2017 20:43:38 GMT
I got a laugh out of this one: After having battled tooth and nail against the Archon, and, with blood sweat and tears saving the Salarian Ark, Lexi says in an email that I should relax, relieve some stress. Her list of recommendations? - Gardening
- Reading
- Knitting or Crocheting
- Coloring or Painting
- Journaling
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 10, 2017 20:48:50 GMT
So, how is this any different than ME2? The game where we solved everybody's mommy, daddy brother and sister issues?
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Post by helios969 on Apr 10, 2017 20:54:57 GMT
Sometimes I wonder if people around here have friends not made up of pixels. Try paying attention to those people you're close with sometime, and count the number of times they bitch and complain about their "problems" every time you hang out...or for that matter the number of times you do so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 22:53:33 GMT
I paid 60 bucks for this and I expect quality. And I sure as hell can give my feedback, because I'm not in high school and I expect more serious writing. Who was this made for and how am I supposed to roleplay when what people say makes no sense even in the context of the fictional universe. Double triple suspense of disbelief is needed to gloss over some of this crap. Well... you could have read some previews, comments on this and other boards, and then some reviews... maybe even watched a playthrough... and then you would have known ahead of time exactly what to really expect from this game. It's not like people haven't been mentioning all this stuff in the old ME Trilogy for years and in this new game since long before it was even released. I agree with others who have said that Mass Effect games have always had a lot of elements where "psychological" issues are expected to be resolved by the PC... securing each of the squad member's loyalty in the process. $60 bucks is a lot just to give yourself the "righteous" privilege of complaining on a fan forum... particularly when it seems the game was very unlikely to be something you were going to like anyways. |
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