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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 31, 2017 3:05:53 GMT
I can agree to what he saying.
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Post by Wintermist on Mar 31, 2017 3:13:35 GMT
I spent 6 years in the army, but we don't end up like that from the way our army works. We don't break them down and build them up the way they want them. If he's a Marine and he thinks it's accurate, then it probably is for the Marines.
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Post by VanSinn on Mar 31, 2017 3:17:47 GMT
As a US Army vet (not a Marine here, but one of their slightly-bumbling but just as bad-ass cousins) I can see where he's coming from. I haven't gotten too far into Cora's story yet (been playing some MP along the way, that's good fun too) so I don't know how closely his post follows her storyline, but I've definitely seen the effects of "prior military service" on the sense of belonging issue. Still working on it myself, and I've been out for 12 years now.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 31, 2017 3:18:45 GMT
As a US Army vet (not a Marine here, but one of their slightly-bumbling but just as bad-ass cousins) I can see where he's coming from. I haven't gotten too far into Cora's story yet (been playing some MP along the way, that's good fun too) so I don't know how closely his post follows her storyline, but I've definitely seen the effects of "prior military service" on the sense of belonging issue. Still working on it myself, and I've been out for 12 years now. I got out about 2 months ago, so I am still feeling it big time.
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Post by Archangel on Mar 31, 2017 3:23:56 GMT
Honestly, I suspect that most everything he saw in her character was purely an accident on Bioware's part. They don't seem like the type that really know much about the military and post military life if you know what I mean.
But I'm ex-navy and still work for the navy as a civilian and I can tell you one thing. Way too many navy Chiefs get out and come to work here and think they still hold their active duty rank. They can't grasp that no one gives a fuck except other lazy ex-chiefs.
There is a thread on another forum where someone was complaining about ex-chiefs and how much he hates them...it's amazing how many butthurt ex-chiefs found that post and ranted in it.
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Post by dreth on Mar 31, 2017 3:24:01 GMT
While i agree, its still annoying.
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Post by timebean on Mar 31, 2017 3:29:07 GMT
Major feels! My brother is a marine, and this was so like him when he got out. I went to college , he went to war, and so we both became adults in very different ways. It took me a while to understand why he felt the need to constantly remind me that he was a marine. I saw him as more than that, cause he was my little brother. I felt like he was limiting his own identity, and that I knew him better than he knew himself (I am his big sister, after all, so surely I must know EVERYTHING). It was not until I came home to visit and hung out with him and his military buddies and actually LISTENED to them that it hit me. They all went through something huge together, and their past is still so much a part of their present. Its not that fact that they were IN the marines...it is more that they are STILL marines. It was not just something they did as much as people they became. And they are all just trying to find their place in the world, like everyone else. I grew much closer to him once I understood that about him. He is my best friend, my little bro. And he is a marine. This has actually made me appreciate Cora's character a little more, to think of her in this light. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by parnashwind on Mar 31, 2017 4:09:23 GMT
Cora annoys me not because she keeps identifying herself with the asari huntress. She annoys me because she is always like; If only Alec was here, he would know what to do. If only Serrisa was here, she would know what to do. Then her problem solving method is; what would so and so do. Military or not, she is always looking for something to depend on. Last sort of person I would pick to go with me if I am boldly going where none has gone before. Thus I like never take her on missions
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Post by Adhin on Mar 31, 2017 4:25:47 GMT
Cora annoys me not because she keeps identifying herself with the asari huntress. She annoys me because she is always like; If only Alec was here, he would know what to do. If only Serrisa was here, she would know what to do. Then her problem solving method is; what would so and so do. Military or not, she is always looking for something to depend on. Last sort of person I would pick to go with me if I am boldly going where none has gone before. Thus I like never take her on missions Yeah that was mostly it for me too. All the "Well guess this is yours" or "This was supposed to be me, but it's you now" that kept getting repeated early on was just... I get it, just... just stop. Glad that drops off, not glad theres like no interaction with her compared to the other companions so far. Could just be the other companions are more front loaded but there hasn't been much to do with Cora/Conversations to be had and I was expecting/hoping for at least 'something' else after her loyalty mission and still nothing. So either she has like no content, or it doesn't trigger till I get further in the story? I dunno, but at this point Peebs has like three times the 'stuff', at least.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 31, 2017 5:09:25 GMT
Adhin, I noticed that much of Cora's development seemed to come via banter, in my playthrough. She and Jaal really get along, and each has much to say when paired together. I experimented a bit with different pairings, and the squaddies definitely seem to have clear preferences amongst themselves. I like that. PeeBee surely talks the most, even though she tells herself she's holding back. She's pretty open, in a lot of ways, even if she's resistant to "belonging" until the bitter end. I really like this crew. I'm not sure how Liam got aboard, but he's a nice guy and mechanically effective. I always wonder why individuals keep buying BioWare games, if things like Cora's commando-focus annoy them. You gotta know these things are coming, right? I didn't find her dialogue off-putting at all, but it definitely showed that she was not the right choice for Pathfinder. Even she realizes this, eventually. In general, the writing and VA work improve drastically after Eos. This game has some really touching moments and performances. I've been impressed. I'm drifting off topic, though, so I'll end it with that.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 31, 2017 5:34:52 GMT
I can't honestly comment on Cora, because I played on the PS4 and I raged quit because of the near-constant black-screen glitch that keeps appearing during transitions. However, I would like to support Bioware on the fact, in general, they've treated the Alliance military as I would expect to be seeing a technological advanced military complete with a chain of command. The inspection process of the Normandy SR-1 by that Admiral felt pretty genuine. (one of my thoughts when landing the SR-1 was: Did anyone think to consider that this is a non-regulation ship and needs to be inspected. They did. In my opinion, the worst offenders of portraying the military is Bethesda's Fallout 3. They nailed the Enclave, but the Brotherhood of Steel looked like a raider establishment and the Outcasts (I guess, they believe they're the real BOS) looked like a raider camp as well. It's immersion and if you're familiar with a subject like military life, when details are wrong... you're out of the immersion. However, thank you Bethesda for modding! My Citadel looks good-to-go along with Fort Independence in FO4. Oblivion did a nice job and showed how hard it is to keep troops supplied across a vast expanse in New Vegas. Plenty of mops, buckets, white paint, clean floors and dress-right-dress is what I hope to see.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 31, 2017 5:36:24 GMT
Adhin , I noticed that much of Cora's development seemed to come via banter, in my playthrough. She and Jaal really get along, and each has much to say when paired together. I experimented a bit with different pairings, and the squaddies definitely seem to have clear preferences amongst themselves. I like that. PeeBee surely talks the most, even though she tells herself she's holding back. She's pretty open, in a lot of ways, even if she's resistant to "belonging" until the bitter end. I really like this crew. I'm not sure how Liam got aboard, but he's a nice guy and mechanically effective. I always wonder why individuals keep buying BioWare games, if things like Cora's commando-focus annoy them. You gotta know these things are coming, right? I didn't find her dialogue off-putting at all, but it definitely showed that she was not the right choice for Pathfinder. Even she realizes this, eventually. In general, the writing and VA work improve drastically after Eos. This game has some really touching moments and performances. I've been impressed. I'm drifting off topic, though, so I'll end it with that. I believe you. I'll get the game for the PC once it's thoroughly patched.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 31, 2017 5:44:59 GMT
Adhin , I noticed that much of Cora's development seemed to come via banter, in my playthrough. She and Jaal really get along, and each has much to say when paired together. I experimented a bit with different pairings, and the squaddies definitely seem to have clear preferences amongst themselves. I like that. PeeBee surely talks the most, even though she tells herself she's holding back. She's pretty open, in a lot of ways, even if she's resistant to "belonging" until the bitter end. I really like this crew. I'm not sure how Liam got aboard, but he's a nice guy and mechanically effective. I always wonder why individuals keep buying BioWare games, if things like Cora's commando-focus annoy them. You gotta know these things are coming, right? I didn't find her dialogue off-putting at all, but it definitely showed that she was not the right choice for Pathfinder. Even she realizes this, eventually. In general, the writing and VA work improve drastically after Eos. This game has some really touching moments and performances. I've been impressed. I'm drifting off topic, though, so I'll end it with that. I believe you. I'll get the game for the PC once it's thoroughly patched. Good deal. I'm sure you'll like it. I can see the finish line approaching, now; and I think this is my favorite BioWare game ever. I'd not have dared hope that would be the case. I wanted to clarify something for those who haven't played the game. I referred to "after Eos", meaning after the 10-hour EA trial portion of Eos. (That's just a tiny scratch on the surface of Eos' content.) None of the worlds ever become irrelevant after the first visit. New content continues to take you back to those worlds. Once you're there, locals will also provide new content. It's great. They really did a good job with pacing and quantity. I honestly have no idea what the complaints about the writing are, either; but that's for another thread.
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Post by mastert on Mar 31, 2017 10:27:18 GMT
I like Cora, all she wants is to have a garden with me and she respects me as the pathfinder and even said how she realised that I was the right choice Her talking about being asari was annoying tho especially in her mission talking to the other asari like she was one of them I READ THE ASARI GUIDE JUST BREATH SOLDIER But honestly most people seem to complain about her actions in the beginning of the game, same with all the Anderson hate when she wants Alec back and doesn't trust you or doesn't call you Pathfinder, a lot of people seem very sensitive about this and later hold a grudge. I don't get it, since she clearly respects you later on after your actions and even apologises.
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Post by crom on Mar 31, 2017 10:37:16 GMT
I think its a difference in perspective between those of us who serve and what we have experienced in my case the last 20 years. When i retire end of this year im sure allot of the same feelings will come about. But to be honest their is bigger and better things than to dwell on the past. Move forward and enjoy freedoms you have not had. Plus its time to get out its not the military i joined 20 years ago. Not to far into the Cora stuff but i had already picked up the Special Operations vibe from her and the asari folks. Will be interesting where her story goes and how it relates if at all further down the road.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 31, 2017 11:08:58 GMT
Cora annoys me not because she keeps identifying herself with the asari huntress. She annoys me because she is always like; If only Alec was here, he would know what to do. If only Serrisa was here, she would know what to do. Then her problem solving method is; what would so and so do. To be fair, that is something she comes to recognize herself so it's intentional on the writer's part.
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Post by Adhin on Mar 31, 2017 12:06:12 GMT
Adhin , I noticed that much of Cora's development seemed to come via banter, in my playthrough. She and Jaal really get along, and each has much to say when paired together. I experimented a bit with different pairings, and the squaddies definitely seem to have clear preferences amongst themselves. I like that. PeeBee surely talks the most, even though she tells herself she's holding back. She's pretty open, in a lot of ways, even if she's resistant to "belonging" until the bitter end. I really like this crew. I'm not sure how Liam got aboard, but he's a nice guy and mechanically effective. I always wonder why individuals keep buying BioWare games, if things like Cora's commando-focus annoy them. You gotta know these things are coming, right? I didn't find her dialogue off-putting at all, but it definitely showed that she was not the right choice for Pathfinder. Even she realizes this, eventually. In general, the writing and VA work improve drastically after Eos. This game has some really touching moments and performances. I've been impressed. I'm drifting off topic, though, so I'll end it with that. Yeah for sure, I like the squad we got. I like Cora, overall, even when in the early game she can't help but remind everyone your father was supposed to be Pathfinder lol. My only real complaint is the lack of literal interaction. I like the banter, when it happens (swear the banter bug hit's me randomly). I dunno, everyone else just feels more involved quest/conversation wise. Really liked her Loyalty though. I just want more.
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Post by qwib on Mar 31, 2017 12:08:13 GMT
It's a perspective I didn't quite understand.
Thank you for the new inside. I think I get Cora better now.
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Post by FeralEwok on Mar 31, 2017 12:11:33 GMT
Former military (Army not marines) and I cannot adequately describe how much of your time in service follows you emotionally and mentally both during and after. I've been out for years now, but everyone once and awhile you see or hear something, or someone brings something up and it's like it was yesterday. I generally try to avoid talking about it because it's not a happy topic for myself or anyone who is on the receiving end of the conversation...and most people don't really understand or want to really understand other than serving platitudes like "support the troops" etc. (Although here I am volunteering this info to you nerds) The lifestyle consumes just about every aspect of your life, and you are forced to conform to a lifestyle that is meant to define you in simple terms: you're a soldier. Anything and everything else is secondary.
There's a reason the US Military has recruiters walking around high schools, trying to find 17-18 year olds to sign up. They're still developing, can't completely think for themselves, often have something to prove, and are in desperate need of validation. Surrendering yourself to cause that people generally seem to respect and will act as a display of how "strong" you are is very appealing to those misguided kids...Cora seems to have had issues ever since she was young due to her biotic abilities, and she constantly mentions how she feels like a freak...so yeah I could absolutely see her trying to associate herself with an idea of a person rather than actually be herself.
All that being said, the reality of it seems more like some mixed writing on her character. She has her moments, but for the most part she always struck me as one of the weaker written characters in this game (as is usually par for the course for your first two human companions in any BW game) It's comical the level she brings up her asari huntress days...she frustratingly associates everything she possibly can to her asari days/military background. There seems to be some peripheral dialogue around her where others comment on it, but she doesn't seem to register how off-putting it can be and just keeps right on huntress-ing.
Maybe I missed it in the dialogue wheel, but I wanted to tell her to chill when she starts reading from memory asari manual quotes TO asari...
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 31, 2017 12:38:42 GMT
I can't honestly comment on Cora, because I played on the PS4 and I raged quit because of the near-constant black-screen glitch that keeps appearing during transitions. However, I would like to support Bioware on the fact, in general, they've treated the Alliance military as I would expect to be seeing a technological advanced military complete with a chain of command. The inspection process of the Normandy SR-2 by that Admiral felt pretty genuine. (one of my thoughts when landing the SR-2 was: Did anyone think to consider that this is a non-regulation ship and needs to be inspected. They did. In my opinion, the worst offenders of portraying the military is Bethesda's Fallout 3. They nailed the Enclave, but the Brotherhood of Steel looked like a raider establishment and the Outcasts (I guess, they believe they're the real BOS) looked like a raider camp as well. It's immersion and if you're familiar with a subject like military life, when details are wrong... you're out of the immersion. However, thank you Bethesda for modding! My Citadel looks good-to-go along with Fort Independence in FO4. Oblivion did a nice job and showed how hard it is to keep troops supplied across a vast expanse in New Vegas. Plenty of mops, buckets, white paint, clean floors and dress-right-dress is what I hope to see. Don't you mean SR-1? That was in Mass Effect 1. I agree about that however.
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Post by bl4ck7h0rn3 on Mar 31, 2017 16:06:52 GMT
Cora annoys me not because she keeps identifying herself with the asari huntress. She annoys me because she is always like; If only Alec was here, he would know what to do. If only Serrisa was here, she would know what to do. Then her problem solving method is; what would so and so do. Military or not, she is always looking for something to depend on. Last sort of person I would pick to go with me if I am boldly going where none has gone before. Thus I like never take her on missions She ends up admitting this herself, later on into her dialogue. I did romance her so am unsure whether it's part of her normal dialogue or romance dialogue, but she comes to learn this of herself later on in the story at least.
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Post by setokaiba on Mar 31, 2017 16:17:43 GMT
I grew to like Cora as the game went on but early on she annoyed more than Ashely ever could(seriously f*ck Ashely).
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Post by parnashwind on Mar 31, 2017 16:18:19 GMT
Cora annoys me not because she keeps identifying herself with the asari huntress. She annoys me because she is always like; If only Alec was here, he would know what to do. If only Serrisa was here, she would know what to do. Then her problem solving method is; what would so and so do. Military or not, she is always looking for something to depend on. Last sort of person I would pick to go with me if I am boldly going where none has gone before. Thus I like never take her on missions She ends up admitting this herself, later on into her dialogue. I did romance her so am unsure whether it's part of her normal dialogue or romance dialogue, but she comes to learn this of herself later on in the story at least. I know but at that point I am already so annoyed that damage is already done.
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Post by joglee on Mar 31, 2017 16:24:12 GMT
I can get behind that.
I spent 8 years in the Army and now I'm Army Reserve, and especially with today's worshipping of veterans, I've known plenty of guys who can't stop talking about their deployments in an attempt to try and stay relevant.
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