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Post by ramsen on Apr 5, 2017 23:31:12 GMT
As for Salarian Infiltrator - here is the thing - Human Infiltrator X > Salarian Infiltrator III or shit like that FOR SURE and this is what you gonna be having unless you grind your shit off or finance next DLC and even at X, it's a huge toss up, simply because of that extra shot Human got which is a bloody big deal. I already have a Salarian X, not a good argument against him, he's uncommon not UR. Is one more shot better than a much more useful 1 pointer, grenade damage (especially against armor), and better surviviability?
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Post by gaidax on Apr 5, 2017 23:34:39 GMT
As for Salarian Infiltrator - here is the thing - Human Infiltrator X > Salarian Infiltrator III or shit like that FOR SURE and this is what you gonna be having unless you grind your shit off or finance next DLC and even at X, it's a huge toss up, simply because of that extra shot Human got which is a bloody big deal. I already have a Salarian X, not a good argument against him, he's uncommon not UR. Is one more shot better than a much more useful 1 pointer, grenade damage (especially against armor), and better surviviability? You are having hard time surviving as infiltrator? And yes? Because one extra shot from a sniper rifle is better than whatever crap power you imagine you have there, especially if you know how to aim. And yeah Salarian is definitely top tier too, but I just don't think it's better just because of that simple thing really.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 23:42:21 GMT
Well I had a 15 minute solo with the duelist. But I don't have a video of it also I will keep saying I have a 15 minute solo of it.
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Apr 5, 2017 23:43:14 GMT
This argument can only be settled in the Thunderdome.
TWO MEN ENTER, ONE MAN LEAVES!
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Post by ramsen on Apr 5, 2017 23:45:08 GMT
It's not just survivability, his grenade burst against armor is much better and longer cloak duration means easier objectives. Pretty sure he has higher gun damage potential with that post power passive. I mention survivability because the OP brought it up. If one shot is that much better, Turian Soldier is the greatest class in the game by a long shot. Surviving without cloak shouldn't be a problem for a badass such as yourself.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 5, 2017 23:47:41 GMT
Well I had a 15 minute solo with the duelist. But I don't have a video of it also I will keep saying I have a 15 minute solo of it. Shall I help you find it? It might just have slipped behind your desk.
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Post by bacon4breakfast on Apr 5, 2017 23:48:07 GMT
This argument can only be settled in the Thunderdome. TWO MEN ENTER, ONE MAN LEAVES!i wanna die
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Post by Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3 on Apr 5, 2017 23:49:38 GMT
Human Vanguard>>>>>>Human Infiltrator.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 6, 2017 0:02:05 GMT
posted my solo video with her(25 mins) and i wasn't even going for speed. My fastest solo run with her was 19 minute... I do thank you for reviving the ghosts of LinkN7 and FasterthanDSL in a single post, that by far is a greater achievement than your solo will ever be. Bwahahahahaha shots fired. World record lol.... vegasflash you should legally change your name to Daniel Laruso.
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 0:05:42 GMT
^ ^ dude, that crap is negligible and redundant and you know it. btw, this is about the better OVERALL character, not the more tanky or "situational" support character. i'm not moving my argument, but you have given Me NO VALID retorts to the damage output the female infiltration can do(which is clearly better than that redundant/negligible situational "survivability" debate you bring up. You're entitled to your opinion of what you think is the best kit, but apparently you can't grasp the simple fact that I'm telling you to not make factually incorrect statements such as: 1. best reviver/support because of her tactical cloak 4. best survivability Those are literally your words, and they are wrong. We have at least 3 kits that do both of those things better. The human infiltrator is not the best support, and does not have the best survivability. And "2. best solo" is still debatable because it's been two weeks. There's no large enough sample size for this yet to prove it as 100% true, and the statement borders on subjective anyway. You can make your case, but don't say things that are outright wrong, okay? But yes, human infiltrator is good with guns. I KNOW! BECAUSE THOSE ARE NEGLIGIBLE AND REDUNDANT at high level play(all else being equal) whereas damage(clip size+2s cloak break delay/etc) is not negligible and redundant. if you are playing with noobs and idiots, then SURE i agree with you, the angara's cloak will have its situational uses therefore they are "slightly" better at "reviving" and certain objectives. Even then, it's still situational and this is dependent on crappy teammates; thus, it's negligible AND redundant. i've made my case, damage at the end of the day is the most important variable that determines who the better overall character is. That's where the human infiltrator shines above any other character in the game. You can NEVER be too redundant in dishing out damage, whereas survivability or "support" is trivial if all four teammates aren't idiots btw, any average player will NOT have a hard time surviving with the infiltrator; thus, the angara's slightly better survivability is redundant
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Post by ramsen on Apr 6, 2017 0:08:24 GMT
With your logic Turian Soldier is the best class, as I said previously.
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Post by roadkill on Apr 6, 2017 0:13:44 GMT
With your logic Turian Soldier is the best class, as I said previously. It is definitely one of the better ones.
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 6, 2017 0:14:20 GMT
If the angaras ''slightly better survivability'' is redundant (it won't be when platinum comes out) why did you then mention ''best survivability (factually incorrect) as a pro for the human infiltrator in the opening post? lmao
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 0:15:44 GMT
all of the things you brought up is redundant and negligible(especially at the hands of a skilled player) Tactical cloak is clearly superior to stealth grid because cloak has that 2 second cloak break delay, on top of the human infiltrator's 25% clip size(which makes her more SUPERIOR IN EVERY WEAPON in the entire game). my fastest overall solo with my female infiltrator is 19 mins BETTER cloak+Better at weapons>>>>>>>redundant survivability or "situational" "cloaking" other players i'm sorry guys but i am right(and i don't mean to be arrogant because i've given you guys facts). The human infiltrator IS the best overall character in the game. There are no IFs ANDS or Buts. So the fact that I've gotten a better time than the one you posted here on basically my first try at a solo while not using an op gun (becuase sniping is shit on console)is redundant? Ok. Also you have no proof of a 19 minute solo, how about you post that instead of the 25 minute one? And you were saying in the op that the human infiltrator is the best reviver/support, and best survivability because of ''100% dr dogde'' (it's 50% btw), well that's just wrong since steatlh grid is better for the first and the angara classes are way more tanky than the humans so the second point is wrong as well. So you are using these arguments as pros for the HI but when someone proves you wrong they are redundant arguments? solid logic. I also never argued that stealth grid was better for using weapons. Can you even read properly? And finally I dont understand your elitist arrogant attitude towards everyone in here. Do you realize you are playing a pve game vs stupid AI and not a challenging competitive game? first of all, i wasn't even going for speed in my 25 minute run. As you can see in that video, there were times where i wasted 10-15 seconds on one enemy left so i can get a head shot if his head pops out. 25 minutes isn't even my fastest run, it's 19 mins(and at that moment i was going for speed). I don't record all of my solo runs, so SUE ME; but here's the thing, u must be an idiot to not make an inference that getting 19 mins is "possible" if i was legitimately going for speed. yes, the human infiltrator is the best reviver/support, the "slight" advantages that stealth grid will give is negligible and redundant at high level play; thus, it's the slight advantage is trivial or doesn't matter at all. But yes, if i were to decide, ANY CHARACTER WITH A CLOAK IS THE BEST REVIVER/SUPPORT/ETC(THAT IS WHAT I IMPLIED)it was already implied in your post that you were pretending that stealth grid is better than tactical cloak(it's not). Tactical cloak is better just because i'm defending my stance does not make me an "elitist" or "arrogance". I've put in hard work and it's very easy for me to make a non-conjectured inference on who legitimately is the best character. And that's the human infiltrator 25% clip size 2s delayed cloak break>>>>>>>redundant survivability. That was the underlying point of my argument. DAMAGE
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 6, 2017 0:18:42 GMT
Everyone knows cloak is better for damage. Literally no one is arguing that stealth grid is better for damage. Your reading comprehension is not great m8.
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 0:19:24 GMT
If the angaras ''slightly better survivability'' is redundant (it won't be when platinum comes out) why did you then mention ''best survivability (factually incorrect) as a pro for the human infiltrator in the opening post? lmao congratulations, you just demonstrated that you absolutely have no clue what the definition of redundant means. Redundancy trivializes slightly better perks like "omfG! stealth grid cloaks other members". What i'm talking about is high level play and ALL ELSE being equal, at that level, STEALTH GRID is redundant and that ANY CHARACTER WITH CLOAK IS AUTOMATICALLY THE BEST REVIVER/SUPPORT CHARACTER. when it comes to damage though, human infiltrator is clearly the best. You can never be too redundant on damage
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 0:20:48 GMT
Everyone knows cloak is better for damage. Literally no one is arguing that stealth grid is better for damage. Your reading comprehension is not great m8. yet your reading comprehension failed you when i mentioned"best overall character" damage being one variable(which is the most important one) that upholds the underlying argument i brought up. (best overall character)
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Post by onehitparry on Apr 6, 2017 0:23:28 GMT
I feel like some people are just going to have to agree to disagree. This argument isn't going anywhere.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 6, 2017 0:25:16 GMT
What platform?
Screenshot?
Gamertag/Origin Username?
Did you play ME3MP? Tag?
Right now, you are the biggest joke on these forums I have seen yet, and your elementary grade shit-talking is comedy gold.
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 0:26:04 GMT
welp, if you think the human infiltrator's damage doesn't make her the best character in the game, then i don't know what to say lol
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 0:29:12 GMT
What platform? Screenshot? Gamertag/Origin Username? Did you play ME3MP? Tag? Right now, you are the biggest joke on these forums I have seen yet, and your elementary grade shit-talking is comedy gold. defending my stance is now shit talking? lol not sheriff serious i've been pretty cordial with everyone here. All we have is a simple disagreement, there's no need to patronize me with irrelevant questions =) you need to chill out. It's not that serious
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Post by roadkill on Apr 6, 2017 0:29:14 GMT
welp, if you think the human infiltrator's damage doesn't make her the best character in the game, then i don't know what to say lol Probably redundant and negligible.
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Post by Liaras Stuffed Bra on Apr 6, 2017 0:31:00 GMT
This has been entertaining. In fairness to the OP though, he's posted a video to back up his claims and I'm assuming that he's solo'ed on other characters too and Human Infiltrator was the best.
However, I can't offer any reasoning that offers any insight into why he's talking like this lollllllllll
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Post by bacon4breakfast on Apr 6, 2017 0:32:04 GMT
So the fact that I've gotten a better time than the one you posted here on basically my first try at a solo while not using an op gun (becuase sniping is shit on console)is redundant? Ok. Also you have no proof of a 19 minute solo, how about you post that instead of the 25 minute one? And you were saying in the op that the human infiltrator is the best reviver/support, and best survivability because of ''100% dr dogde'' (it's 50% btw), well that's just wrong since steatlh grid is better for the first and the angara classes are way more tanky than the humans so the second point is wrong as well. So you are using these arguments as pros for the HI but when someone proves you wrong they are redundant arguments? solid logic. I also never argued that stealth grid was better for using weapons. Can you even read properly? And finally I dont understand your elitist arrogant attitude towards everyone in here. Do you realize you are playing a pve game vs stupid AI and not a challenging competitive game? first of all, i wasn't even going for speed in my 25 minute run. As you can see in that video, there were times where i wasted 10-15 seconds on one enemy left so i can get a head shot if his head pops out. 25 minutes isn't even my fastest run, it's 19 mins(and at that moment i was going for speed). I don't record all of my solo runs, so SUE ME; but here's the thing, u must be an idiot to not make an inference that getting 19 mins is "possible" if i was legitimately going for speed. yes, the human infiltrator is the best reviver/support, the "slight" advantages that stealth grid will give is negligible and redundant at high level play; thus, it's the slight advantage is trivial or doesn't matter at all. But yes, if i were to decide, ANY CHARACTER WITH A CLOAK IS THE BEST REVIVER/SUPPORT/ETC(THAT IS WHAT I IMPLIED)it was already implied in your post that you were pretending that stealth grid is better than tactical cloak(it's not). Tactical cloak is better just because i'm defending my stance does not make me an "elitist" or "arrogance". I've put in hard work and it's very easy for me to make a non-conjectured inference on who legitimately is the best character. And that's the human infiltrator 25% clip size 2s delayed cloak break>>>>>>>redundant survivability. That was the underlying point of my argument. DAMAGE BOLD AND CAPITALIZED HOW ABOUT SOME ITALICS TOO IM SO IMPORTANT
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 6, 2017 0:33:02 GMT
If the angaras ''slightly better survivability'' is redundant (it won't be when platinum comes out) why did you then mention ''best survivability (factually incorrect) as a pro for the human infiltrator in the opening post? lmao What i'm talking about is high level play Well the jokes still on you, there is no such thing is high level play currently in this game when gold kett can be solo'd by a krogan engineer with a paw.
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