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Post by decafhigh on Apr 7, 2017 17:17:14 GMT
Sorry, my blackness is NOT the same as the next guy being fat, lol. Weightist!
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Post by rolenka on Apr 7, 2017 17:23:46 GMT
But then why allow gay people who have a high chance of not reproducing? I guess that's why Gil talks about reproducing bc he is not against it even though he doesn't find women attractive You must not have heard the announcement on the Nexus asking for blood, tissue, and DNA donations.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 17:27:51 GMT
Now you contradicting yourself. First you praise virtually infertile Krogan for being good age-to-weight ratio, then you completely switching over and praising salarians for fertility. You started talking about one but not the other, so how about sticking to that instead of jumping everywhere you feel you argument will look more comfortable? We can teorycraft all day long on who should and who shouldn't have come to an expedition for various reasons whether based on race, culture, species, ethnicity, sexual orientation, biology and what not, and get nowhere. The thing is, currently there is no indication in established ingame expedition of any objective reason why every single human needs to have athletic physique except that BW decided simply that overweight ppl are not worth enough to be cared about. Yet I am sure as hell that having people of different body proportions would had created much more ingame visual and character diversity than some trans that used to be called Stephan. Have you ever heard of biodiversity`? have you?
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 7, 2017 17:30:52 GMT
But then why allow gay people who have a high chance of not reproducing? I guess that's why Gil talks about reproducing bc he is not against it even though he doesn't find women attractive You must not have heard the announcement on the Nexus asking for blood, tissue, and DNA donations. We should probably avoid the obvious slippery slope discussing reproduction and the topics that is going to make us delve into and stayed focused on the fact that BW obviously has it out for fat people.
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Post by mega on Apr 7, 2017 17:32:27 GMT
Are there any overweight people in Andromeda? Because I don't remember seeing one. Seeing how those people are much more common that gays and transsexuals combined, one would think that with all the "representation", "inclusion" and all that unneeded bs BW spends so much attention over instead of focusing on making a good game, one cant help but get triggered over the lack of peple with imperfect body proportions - namely overweight people. Seeing how BW intentionally made female unattractive to ponder to feminists to supposedly not make some women upset of not being on par beauty-wise with ingame characters, not having fat people in game looks very sloppy and insulting in that context to say the least. So following BW own logic I must ask - why is it acceptable to not only not represent overweight people in game, while also making them suffer psychologically by being surrounded by characters of perfect athletic proportions everywhere, but at the same time treating much smaller demographics with official apologies because one line of dialogue in entire game and what not, as if they have some sort of privilege that other people don't? Clearly there are double standards involved. Seeing how all sort of minorities manage squeeze a lot of completely unnecessary things and views into game by a merit of complaining and shouting loudest alone, I think will only be fair that the issue of not having any other but athletically built people in Andromeda also needs to be constantly brought forward and highlighted, until BW offers apology and properly represent overweight people in their new game. #fatlivesmatter I agree at some level. There are double standards involved for sure, also the stuff of "representation" is as somebody else said, a bottomless pit.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 17:36:16 GMT
Are there any overweight people in Andromeda? Because I don't remember seeing one. Seeing how those people are much more common that gays and transsexuals combined, one would think that with all the "representation", "inclusion" and all that unneeded bs BW spends so much attention over instead of focusing on making a good game, one cant help but get triggered over the lack of peple with imperfect body proportions - namely overweight people. Seeing how BW intentionally made female unattractive to ponder to feminists to supposedly not make some women upset of not being on par beauty-wise with ingame characters, not having fat people in game looks very sloppy and insulting in that context to say the least. So following BW own logic I must ask - why is it acceptable to not only not represent overweight people in game, while also making them suffer psychologically by being surrounded by characters of perfect athletic proportions everywhere, but at the same time treating much smaller demographics with official apologies because one line of dialogue in entire game and what not, as if they have some sort of privilege that other people don't? Clearly there are double standards involved. Seeing how all sort of minorities manage squeeze a lot of completely unnecessary things and views into game by a merit of complaining and shouting loudest alone, I think will only be fair that the issue of not having any other but athletically built people in Andromeda also needs to be constantly brought forward and highlighted, until BW offers apology and properly represent overweight people in their new game. #fatlivesmatter If I were recruiting for a multi-trillion dollar project to travel to a distant galaxy, I wouldn't recruit overweight, unhealthy people. Only the fittest, smartest and most likely to survive and thrive would be recruited. An enormous project like that would not be PC, equal opportunity enterprise. It would be designed with the greatest possibility of success. ok, then following your logic, why recruiting gays and transsexual ppl, because for once, they are more prone to mental disorders which lead to things like higher suicide rate for example, that if we decide to overlook that entire lgbt thing might be considered a mental disorder. Meaning that among everything else, only straight people, interested in making families and raising children (i.e. breeding) should be allowed. See where it's going? So can you please stop your bigotry in automatically assuming that ppl with some extra weight are inferior in some way, because they are clearly not - physique is not everything, neither it is the only quality that is required for an expedition we have in game. In other words I highly doubt that Initiative would not take some brilliant scientist with them only on a premise of him having some extra pounds around his waist. Sick...
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Post by peabuddie on Apr 7, 2017 17:55:49 GMT
If I were recruiting for a multi-trillion dollar project to travel to a distant galaxy, I wouldn't recruit overweight, unhealthy people. Only the fittest, smartest and most likely to survive and thrive would be recruited. An enormous project like that would not be PC, equal opportunity enterprise. It would be designed with the greatest possibility of success. ok, then following your logic, why recruiting gays and transsexual ppl, because for once, they are more prone to mental disorders which lead to things like higher suicide rate for example, that if we decide to overlook that entire lgbt thing might be considered a mental disorder. Meaning that among everything else, only straight people, interested in making families and raising children (i.e. breeding) should be allowed. See where it's going? So can you please stop your bigotry in automatically assuming that ppl with some extra weight are inferior in some way, because they are clearly not - physique is not everything, neither it is the only quality that is required for an expedition we have in game. In other words I highly doubt that Initiative would not take some brilliant scientist with them only on a premise of him having some extra pounds around his waist. Sick... Your logic falls way short. First I'm not getting into a discussion about gender identity and sexual orientation on a game board. Sorry can't bait me there. There are plenty of brilliant scientists that are not obese. Therefore obese scientists or specialist of ANY kind would not be part of this type of enterprise for all kinds of reasons. Food supplies, health costs, life expectancy, discipline and confidence, as well as needing a standard pod size to name a few. Have you EVER seen a fat astronaut? No and you never will. Physical stamina and top health is a must for any type of expedition on earth or beyond.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 18:16:53 GMT
ok, then following your logic, why recruiting gays and transsexual ppl, because for once, they are more prone to mental disorders which lead to things like higher suicide rate for example, that if we decide to overlook that entire lgbt thing might be considered a mental disorder. Meaning that among everything else, only straight people, interested in making families and raising children (i.e. breeding) should be allowed. See where it's going? So can you please stop your bigotry in automatically assuming that ppl with some extra weight are inferior in some way, because they are clearly not - physique is not everything, neither it is the only quality that is required for an expedition we have in game. In other words I highly doubt that Initiative would not take some brilliant scientist with them only on a premise of him having some extra pounds around his waist. Sick... Your logic falls way short. First I'm not getting into a discussion about gender identity and sexual orientation on a game board. Sorry can't bait me there. There are plenty of brilliant scientists that are not obese. Therefore obese scientists or specialist of ANY kind would not be part of this type of enterprise for all kinds of reasons. Food supplies, health costs, life expectancy, discipline and confidence, as well as needing a standard pod size to name a few. Have you EVER seen a fat astronaut? No and you never will. Physical stamina and top health is a must for any type of expedition on earth or beyond. Except that you seem to fail to understand that not everyone on AI is an astronaut or needs to be one, in a sense of performing astronauts duties. Most of the ppl in AI are anything but astronauts - scientist, engineers, sociologists, hell, there are even journalists and accountants. Also space travel in ME is highly trivialized and is not what it is today -'Tis more akin taking a boat or a plane, you don't need to have top physique to fly or sail those as well as you dont need to be in perfect shape to be able to space travel in ME. So your argument about astronauts here is not withstanding. Secondly, the pod size seem to be universal, but all things considered I can hardly see why slightly round character, especially female who are generally smaller than males and that's shows in game, would not be able to fit into pod designed to hold both males and females. We also not talking about ppl that are obese to extremes, so again, the "they will not fit into pod" argument is complete bs and notwithstanding. Last but not least, if health is such a high concern, then I dont see how it would be even remotely sensible to bring transgenders on board that went through a complex surgery and require a lifetime supply of hormones and what-not. That's definitely does not sound like top health to me. So again, you argument about health and that only overweight ppl are not fit for the journey is not withstanding and stinks of bigotry and double standards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 18:20:22 GMT
If I were recruiting for a multi-trillion dollar project to travel to a distant galaxy, I wouldn't recruit overweight, unhealthy people. Only the fittest, smartest and most likely to survive and thrive would be recruited. An enormous project like that would not be PC, equal opportunity enterprise. It would be designed with the greatest possibility of success. ok, then following your logic, why recruiting gays and transsexual ppl, because for once, they are more prone to mental disorders which lead to things like higher suicide rate for example, that if we decide to overlook that entire lgbt thing might be considered a mental disorder. Due to scientific, medical, and societal advancements, these things are not an issue in MEU. Breeding requires fertility irrespective of orientation. They also brought along quite a bit of DNA material, of various species, and are apparently able to use it to create new individuals. Note, too, that while some of the colonists might dedicate themselves to raising children, others are needed to focus on other activities that will ensure the success of the entire group. Again, given the scientific and medical advances of MEU, obesity is a thing of the past. Also, the Ai has a variety of screening requirements for inclusion, including height and weight tolerances. The Nexus & Arks have capacity limits, as do the life pods.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 18:43:07 GMT
ok, then following your logic, why recruiting gays and transsexual ppl, because for once, they are more prone to mental disorders which lead to things like higher suicide rate for example, that if we decide to overlook that entire lgbt thing might be considered a mental disorder. Due to scientific, medical, and societal advancements, these things are not an issue in MEU. Breeding requires fertility irrespective of orientation. They also brought along quite a bit of DNA material, of various species. Note, too, that while some of the colonists might dedicate themselves to raising children, others are needed to focus on other activities that will ensure the success of the entire group. Again, given the scientific and medical advances of MEU, obesity is a thing of the past. Also, the Ai has a variety of screening requirements for inclusion, including height and weight tolerances. The Nexus & Arks have capacity limits, as do the life pods. But may I ask why exactly do you see some overweight as universally negatively viewed trait, that it has to be thing of the past? I know a lot of ppl, both male and female, who find curvy forms likable and attractive (speaking of which - Diana Allers from ME would also qualify as an example of character than not ppl in ME have perfect godlike physique. While she naturally cant be considered obese (and really, obesety is not the point of this thread - diversity is), there are some extra feminine pounds here and there), yet you assume that it is something that universally must be medically healed? It would be more believable that MEU universe got rid of gay and transgender mental disorders and all the accompanying troubles and controversies around them, but no - apparently overweight ppl were the issue. Sorry, but I am not buying it. The only only reason why there are no curvy ppl in mass effect has nothing to do with the lore, it only about BW deciding that representing those people somehow is less important, most likely because they are much less whiney in general that some other demographics, and do not organize things like "fat pride parades", so ofcourse they could be left out in favor of pondering to other more vocal demographics. Once again, nothing else but double standards here, and it saddens that there are so many ppl here that think it is completely ok to completely ignore overweight people and make jokes on them, but when something remotely "bad", even if joking, is said about gays or transes - then those very same ppl would readily grill the insufferable "bigot". But if that was not enough, now BW also making public apologies for a dialogue line to trans community, while keep ignoring some other, much bigger demographics. Seriously, that's just sad, and shows what's what really is...
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Post by myalzalean on Apr 7, 2017 19:13:27 GMT
I'm not overweight, I'm just undertall
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Post by crom on Apr 7, 2017 19:16:16 GMT
Survival of the fittest, enough said we all know the fatties are the first to die
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Post by MarilynRobert on Apr 7, 2017 19:18:00 GMT
I think it would be better to bring two 150 lb fit people than one 300 lb, most likely, very unfit person.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 19:18:10 GMT
Due to scientific, medical, and societal advancements, these things are not an issue in MEU. Breeding requires fertility irrespective of orientation. They also brought along quite a bit of DNA material, of various species. Note, too, that while some of the colonists might dedicate themselves to raising children, others are needed to focus on other activities that will ensure the success of the entire group. Again, given the scientific and medical advances of MEU, obesity is a thing of the past. Also, the Ai has a variety of screening requirements for inclusion, including height and weight tolerances. The Nexus & Arks have capacity limits, as do the life pods. But may I ask why exactly do you see some overweight as universally negatively viewed trait, I've yet to meet an overweight person who wasn't (supposedly) on a permanent diet, didn't suffer from constant food guilt, and spend a lot of their lives thinking "someday, when I'm skinny...". Obesity is a health problem and impacts people physically, mentally, and emotionally. Furthermore, the Ai has limited resources, including food rations, and really doesn't need to be dealing with people whose dietary habits aren't focused on satisfying nutritional needs. Note that I mentioned overall height and weight tolerances - which would mean that people who were exceptionally tall or heavily muscled (like Vega) would probably also be disqualified. I noticed that Liam's build is much leaner and carries less muscle mass than the very athletic looking male models in MET. Irrelevant. The Ai needs to set standards that will provide optimal survival potential with minimal resource expenditure. You might have noticed that Ai participants tend to be multi-skilled, and not focused on a single thing. Why would they devote 2 life pods, 400# of capacity, and 3x the food rations when a single 150# life pod can fulfill the same role(s)? My view of MEU is that no such "troubles and controversies" exist. Just think - if BioWare really was full of SJWs, they probably would not have erred in that portrayal and would thus have no need to apologize or change anything.
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Post by mordrek on Apr 7, 2017 19:41:22 GMT
I "love" (or rather find it kinda sad, almost pitiful) how the creator of the thread is mainly just trying to invalidate gay and trans people's complaints about being poorly represented than anything else. That's just laughable. gays are what 3-5% of the population, trans people are like .01% of the population, and look at the number of gay/trans characters on TV and in video games today. 10 years ago I'd have given you that, but now... quite frankly that's laughable.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Apr 7, 2017 19:58:44 GMT
How the fuck did this thread get to seven pages!
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Post by valethar on Apr 7, 2017 20:03:47 GMT
600 years in a cryo pod is bound to have some consequences. Or maybe they were too slow, and the Reapers got them before the ships launched, and now they're all space zombies. Hell, I'm still trying to figure out what happened to the bald guy in the cryo pod room. Did you notice how his head turns completely around to look up at you, while he's bent over puking?
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How the fuck did this thread get to seven pages! Apparently there are a lot of passionate chubby chasers
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 20:21:26 GMT
But may I ask why exactly do you see some overweight as universally negatively viewed trait, I've yet to meet an overweight person who wasn't (supposedly) on a permanent diet, didn't suffer from constant food guilt, and spend a lot of their lives thinking "someday, when I'm skinny...". Obesity is a health problem and impacts people physically, mentally, and emotionally. Furthermore, the Ai has limited resources, including food rations, and really doesn't need to be dealing with people whose dietary habits aren't focused on satisfying nutritional needs. Note that I mentioned overall height and weight tolerances - which would mean that people who were exceptionally tall or heavily muscled (like Vega) would probably also be disqualified. I noticed that Liam's build is much leaner and carries less muscle mass than the very athletic looking male models in MET. Irrelevant. The Ai needs to set standards that will provide optimal survival potential with minimal resource expenditure. You might have noticed that Ai participants tend to be multi-skilled, and not focused on a single thing. Why would they devote 2 life pods, 400# of capacity, and 3x the food rations when a single 150# life pod can fulfill the same role(s)? My view of MEU is that no such "troubles and controversies" exist. Just think - if BioWare really was full of SJWs, they probably would not have erred in that portrayal and would thus have no need to apologize or change anything. Excuse me but that a pile of rubbish you just wrote about all and every overweight person constantly feeling guilt and dreaming about being skinny. Total bullshit, just as the rest of your post which is outright dismissive of any opinion other than yours, especially when I based my previous argument around your logic and point of view. I could've written many examples of either ppl being completely content with their less that perfect body, or even liking someone who is a little bit curvy or chubby, but I see no point in wasting time trying to discuss something with someone like you in seeing how full of bigotry you are in your replies by assuming that your point of view is the only correct one despite all other fact and arguments. #nobigotsallowed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 20:31:43 GMT
I've yet to meet an overweight person who wasn't (supposedly) on a permanent diet, didn't suffer from constant food guilt, and spend a lot of their lives thinking "someday, when I'm skinny...". Obesity is a health problem and impacts people physically, mentally, and emotionally. Furthermore, the Ai has limited resources, including food rations, and really doesn't need to be dealing with people whose dietary habits aren't focused on satisfying nutritional needs. Note that I mentioned overall height and weight tolerances - which would mean that people who were exceptionally tall or heavily muscled (like Vega) would probably also be disqualified. I noticed that Liam's build is much leaner and carries less muscle mass than the very athletic looking male models in MET. Irrelevant. The Ai needs to set standards that will provide optimal survival potential with minimal resource expenditure. You might have noticed that Ai participants tend to be multi-skilled, and not focused on a single thing. Why would they devote 2 life pods, 400# of capacity, and 3x the food rations when a single 150# life pod can fulfill the same role(s)? My view of MEU is that no such "troubles and controversies" exist. Just think - if BioWare really was full of SJWs, they probably would not have erred in that portrayal and would thus have no need to apologize or change anything. Excuse me but that a pile of rubbish you just wrote about all and every overweight person constantly feeling guilt and dreaming about being skinny. You might have noticed that I was very specific in saying "I've yet to meet", which means that that particular argument was completely anecdotal. My arguments are fact-based, and have little to do with personal preferences or opinions. The Ai needs to make optimal use of any and all resources available to provide the best possible chance of survival, period.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 20:42:12 GMT
They wouldn't have taken overweight people with them to Andromeda. Overweight People may not have fit in cryo pods - Problem. Overweight People would have to eat more - Problem. Overweight People may need more medical attention and resources - Problem. Overweight People would not be ideal sexual partners for reproduction - Problem. So they left them all behind for the Reapers. Krogan fit into cryopod, so overweight is not a problem. Also do not confuse that overweight = 150-200-250-300+ kg of a person. I am almost 1.90 meters tall and couple kg's above 100, and consider myself "overweight". Just to give you a perspective and make you understand that overweight =/= someone that cant fit into bathtube. Food consumption and weight depend in no small, or even bigger part, on metabolism. I know people who are skinny as fucks but eat twice as much as I do, and never get fat. So while "they eat more" can be considered somewhat close, its not something that 100% universal either. Again, thats heavily depends on the weight of overweight person. when over 150kg with 165 height - maybe, but ppl with SOME overweight generally don't need more medical attention than anybody else, at the very least in their prime years. Also transgenders need a lifetime supply of hormones at the very least, which makes them most unlikely candidates to be on the journey according to your logic, yet here they are. If overweight ppl are less than ideal sexual partners for reproduction, then gay and trans people are even less so, yet they were brought on the journey, so your argument notwithstanding.
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Post by Estaq99 on Apr 7, 2017 20:44:38 GMT
Maybe, but he is not wrong. If we are going to have ugly people in the game why not fat people too? Indeed. If you going to pander to one minority why not pander to all minorities? Who judges if one minority is more deserving of representation then another? This all depend which part of the world we are talking about. If MEA was pandering only to US customers, you can't talk about a minority group left behind, because the majority of the population in US (men and women in the high 60% or even mid 70%), are overweight. If we are talking about most other countries around the world, yeah, they didn't include fat people as a minority group.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 20:45:42 GMT
Excuse me but that a pile of rubbish you just wrote about all and every overweight person constantly feeling guilt and dreaming about being skinny. You might have noticed that I was very specific in saying "I've yet to meet", which means that that particular argument was completely anecdotal. My arguments are fact-based, and have little to do with personal preferences or opinions. The Ai needs to make optimal use of any and all resources available to provide the best possible chance of survival, period.How does bringing a lifetime supply of hormones for transsexuals fits into your idea of optimal use of resources? Also, if you recall dialogues with Gil and how unsure, even hesitant he was about reproduction, even in form of donating genetic material. How does your optimisation fits with bringing gays with that context in mind? Not everyone might be so willing as Gil is. And again, Gil is a guy, so he only needs to wank off into a glass and be done with it, and already that is a problem for him. I suspect that there are many more lesbians who would be completely against carrying a child. So again, your supposed "AI logic" is not withstanding. If optimization was the key, at least in a way you put it, there certainly would not be any gay people on board, as well as very likely no Krogan either.
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Post by myalzalean on Apr 7, 2017 20:47:40 GMT
The Ai needs to make optimal use of any and all resources available to provide the best possible chance of survival, period. If that's the case, considering how the kett ended up being one of the biggest threats, they should have brought a lot of us fat people because we're a lot harder to kidnap.
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