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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 3:11:11 GMT
Huh this thread... smh Fat is essential to our organism, at cellular level as a form of energy, metabolic and other crucial functions; to maintain body temperature, hell, even to protect the body from trauma. Having a reserve of it was a biological advantage to our survival as a species. So this lore ME argument is pathetic, as it makes no sense. Assuming that you're criticizing the arguments I put forth, it's unwarranted. I argued for standards that would make optimal use of resources, and provide the best possible chance for survival. I didn't specify what those standards would be. (And sometimes I just like to mess with trolls.)
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Post by GordianKnot on Apr 8, 2017 3:27:12 GMT
No more obesity in the future due to healthier nutrition and technology. So BW hates fat people so much they canonically removed them from the entire universe. Not a single overweight person in all of the Milky Way or Andromeda. Can you imagine what would happen if they did that to any other minority group? Holy cow, I thought we were just gonna need an apology, its starting to look like a protest or a march or something is in order. Lolol. But that would involve physical activity.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 8, 2017 4:52:22 GMT
Fat people are not a minority group lol. Stop trying to gain the same status as race, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation. Most fat people are fat by lifestyle. Metabolic illness is exceptionally rare. It's not much different than claiming men with long hair are a minority and deserve protection because less people find that attractive as well.
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Post by unwanted on Apr 8, 2017 7:37:34 GMT
Yeah, now I come to think about it. They are quite comfortable with shoving in plenty of ugly, with a heaped measure of politics, but not a ounce of fat to be seen anywhere. Maybe it's down to the space toothpaste they eat.
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Post by mega on Apr 8, 2017 8:27:11 GMT
Huh this thread... smh Fat is essential to our organism, at cellular level as a form of energy, metabolic and other crucial functions; to maintain body temperature, hell, even to protect the body from trauma. Having a reserve of it was a biological advantage to our survival as a species. So this lore ME argument is pathetic, as it makes no sense. People can be overweight due to their organism (sickness [hypothyroidism; diabetes mellitus, etc]; natural slower metabolism); unhealthy lifestyle (overeating, a diet of processed food, sedentarism); or a combo. Note that: our modern society writes anyone with some small fat in their belly, ass and thighs as unhealthy; which isn't necessary true. Someone being skinny doesn't make them automatically healthy; someone have a small/moderate reserve of fat doesn't mean they'll drop dead any minute; i.e. they can perform their daily activities with no problem, yes, even physical. Very well written, I can't agree more. The fact that a certain country has a very big % of fat people, and that most of those are fat given their (let me copy you xD) unhealthy lifestyle (overeating, a diet of processed food, sedentarism) doesn't mean that, at least in the rest of the world, many people may be fat due to their organism (sickness [hypothyroidism; diabetes mellitus, etc]; natural slower metabolism). Also is absolutely true that anyone with some fat is dealt as unhealthy, again, this general sheepy opinion is based on the fact they only consider the "unhealthy lifestyle" way of getting fat, which is obviously almost always, an indicator of bad health. You can have overweight due to your organism (sickness [hypothyroidism; diabetes mellitus, etc]; natural slower metabolism) or even a problem with medicines you had to take (cortisona comes to my mind) and be good in health, ie, not having high colesterol, circulation / cardio problems, etc. So yeah, the "lore" argument is pathetic and senseless. In the other mass effects there were Volus, do you remember? I don't know if it's their suit but they were short and chubby, and they were advanced and useful as any other alien species. So, even I don't give a damn about having or not gay / lesbian / trans people or not in the game, or fat, short, ultra skinny etc chars, I also find it very "selective" to just represent those sexual differencies, and ignore other realities of our society.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 8, 2017 12:19:05 GMT
It stricken me today that maybe all the reasons ppl put here trying to justify that overweight people cant be at Andromeda stems from misconception on what overweight is in in different countries and continents. So maybe what we consider overweight in Europe is different from what ppl consider overweight in USA? So allow me to illustrate: Below you will find three pictures containing overweight persons. pic.1: pic.2: pic.3: Now, all of the above people are overweight. But do you really think that a person on the second and third picture will have problem fitting into cryopod or dropping dead from heavy physical activities? Obviously none of that would be an issue. As for the health concern and "in the future there will be no fat ppl because obecity and unhealthy food will not be the issue" - there are numerous studies actually showing that people with some (reasonably) mild overweight might actually live longer and have less health issues than those of athletic complexities. So for all we know, being a little chubby might actually be a norm in the ME future. At any rate, that, among everything else, clearly proves that there are no logical reason from a gamelore perspective to not having some overweight ppl in MEU, whether OT or Andromeda, and simply just shows which demographics BW chose over the others to pander to. So much for inclusion and representation...
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 8, 2017 13:45:48 GMT
So BW hates fat people so much they canonically removed them from the entire universe. Not a single overweight person in all of the Milky Way or Andromeda. Can you imagine what would happen if they did that to any other minority group? Holy cow, I thought we were just gonna need an apology, its starting to look like a protest or a march or something is in order. Apparently only in Mass Effect. In SWTOR? Fatties everywhere, in all races. Can't remember if there were any obviously overweight folks in the DA series though. Apparently the different BW Studios all have their own selective inclusion policies. ME leaves out overweight people while SWTOR leaves out the gay and lesbian relationships. They just can't ever get it right.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 8, 2017 16:16:02 GMT
I assume they're going for the Gene Rodenberry thing where everyone is "healthy" and all that. Space pirates are a thing but... uh... well.... yeah.... Besides if I'm not mistaken they use only two models for all the species anyway. So either everyone is skinny or everyone is overweight lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 16:44:03 GMT
Fat people would never leave a Milky Way.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 8, 2017 16:49:45 GMT
Fat people would never leave a Milky Way. 6/10
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Post by Panda on Apr 8, 2017 17:43:16 GMT
Why there isn't different body types in the game would be legit question. Now whole thread is just bait from troll. Not even funny one, why trolls can't be funny on BSN.. :smh:
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Post by GordianKnot on Apr 8, 2017 17:51:12 GMT
Why there isn't different body types in the game would be legit question. Now whole thread is just bait from troll. Not even funny one, why trolls can't be funny on BSN.. :smh: Man, they can't get the animations right for the sole M/F models they have, and you expect them to create two or three more (for each gender?) :lmfao:
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Post by Panda on Apr 8, 2017 18:08:42 GMT
Why there isn't different body types in the game would be legit question. Now whole thread is just bait from troll. Not even funny one, why trolls can't be funny on BSN.. :smh: Man, they can't get the animations right for the sole M/F models they have, and you expect them to create two or three more (for each gender?) :lmfao: I don't think it would be completely out of question when looking different games that have those like FO4 with has body sliders.., but with Bioware.. I'm not expecting it no. I'd love seeing people with different body types around.. ME3 at least had Vega the bodybuilder, but Bioware seems to be struggling on more basic stuff that they really should tackle before even thinking different body types ^^;
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 8, 2017 18:33:40 GMT
Why there isn't different body types in the game would be legit question. Now whole thread is just bait from troll. Not even funny one, why trolls can't be funny on BSN.. :smh: well, ok, next time some gays or trans will start complaining as they usually do, I will also dismiss them and their topic as trolls and refer them to you about that. Because clearly lack of inclusion of certain groups is less important than the others. Wonderful world of double standards we live in.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 8, 2017 18:57:18 GMT
The last time I ever saw fat people in a bioware game was in dao.
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Post by Panda on Apr 8, 2017 20:15:32 GMT
Why there isn't different body types in the game would be legit question. Now whole thread is just bait from troll. Not even funny one, why trolls can't be funny on BSN.. :smh: well, ok, next time some gays or trans will start complaining as they usually do, I will also dismiss them and their topic as trolls and refer them to you about that. Because clearly lack of inclusion of certain groups is less important than the others. Wonderful world of double standards we live in. I kinda dislike it when someone pretends to be advocate of certain group just to talk shit about other group instead of really supporting the cause they claim they are.
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Post by Arcian on Apr 8, 2017 20:24:46 GMT
Yeah. That's why the concept of representation is dumb, because it's a bottomless pit. Somewhere along the line people forgot they're people first and meaningless shit second.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Apr 8, 2017 20:45:50 GMT
Fat people would never leave a Milky Way. I properly lol'd at this!! 😂
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 21:01:21 GMT
Why there isn't different body types in the game would be legit question. Now whole thread is just bait from troll. Not even funny one, why trolls can't be funny on BSN.. :smh: well, ok, next time some gays or trans will start complaining as they usually do, I will also dismiss them and their topic as trolls and refer them to you about that. Because clearly lack of inclusion of certain groups is less important than the others. Wonderful world of double standards we live in. It mostly has to do with the amount of effort required to include them. Body models (along with different textures, clothing, armor) are quite a lot of work, which is why we didn't see any female krogans or salarians until ME3, female turians until ME3's DLC, and no female vorcha, volus, hanar, elcor, or yahg ever (at least not that we know of). I'm sure a lot of people would like to have different body models / sliders available in the CC, but that isn't something that BioWare seems interested in pursuing. Including the other groups you complain about doesn't require much effort - they only need to be written that way. Gay/trans characters require no more effort than straight cis characters. Including overweight people would require a lot of work on body modeling, which they apparently aren't interested in doing.
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Post by GordianKnot on Apr 8, 2017 22:23:36 GMT
It mostly has to do with the amount of effort required to include them. Body models (along with different textures, clothing, armor) are quite a lot of work, which is why we didn't see any female krogans or salarians until ME3, female turians until ME3's DLC, and no female vorcha, volus, hanar, elcor, or yahg ever (at least not that we know of). I'm sure a lot of people would like to have different body models / sliders available in the CC, but that isn't something that BioWare seems interested in pursuing. Including the other groups you complain about doesn't require much effort - they only need to be written that way. Gay/trans characters require no more effort than straight cis characters. Including overweight people would require a lot of work on body modeling, which they apparently aren't interested in doing. I don't imagine the number of people who would play a fat character is enough to make it even remotely worth the effort into making the body models. If I had to guess, I'd say less than 5%, easily, and that's being generous. Less than the number of people who romanced Jacob, for sure.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 8, 2017 22:35:50 GMT
I don't imagine the number of people who would play a fat character is enough to make it even remotely worth the effort into making the body models. If I had to guess, I'd say less than 5%, easily, and that's being generous. Less than the number of people who romanced Jacob, for sure. Is that more or less than the number of people that wanted the female presets beaten with the ugly stick? I'll romance Jacob before I use any of these Sara presets.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 9, 2017 0:59:13 GMT
It mostly has to do with the amount of effort required to include them. Body models (along with different textures, clothing, armor) are quite a lot of work, which is why we didn't see any female krogans or salarians until ME3, female turians until ME3's DLC, and no female vorcha, volus, hanar, elcor, or yahg ever (at least not that we know of). I'm sure a lot of people would like to have different body models / sliders available in the CC, but that isn't something that BioWare seems interested in pursuing. Including the other groups you complain about doesn't require much effort - they only need to be written that way. Gay/trans characters require no more effort than straight cis characters. Including overweight people would require a lot of work on body modeling, which they apparently aren't interested in doing. I don't imagine the number of people who would play a fat character is enough to make it even remotely worth the effort into making the body models. If I had to guess, I'd say less than 5%, easily, and that's being generous. Less than the number of people who romanced Jacob, for sure. What playing as a fat character has to do with having fat characters in entire game? Nobody was demanding to be able to play as one, even though it would be nice to have that form of customization in CC as well if possible. Also the argument about time-cost of making fat characters - for example Dragon Age Origins had fat characters and BW did not went bankrupt, but in 2017 it suddenly became so prohibitively expensive and technically impossible.... yeah, right... but hey, don't let me stop you or anyone from making up excuses for discrimination of people with some extra weight.
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Post by ticktak77 on Apr 10, 2017 14:59:24 GMT
They wouldn't have taken overweight people with them to Andromeda. Overweight People may not have fit in cryo pods - Problem. Overweight People would have to eat more - Problem. Overweight People may need more medical attention and resources - Problem. Overweight People would not be ideal sexual partners for reproduction - Problem. So they left them all behind for the Reapers. Krogan fit into cryopod, so overweight is not a problem. Also do not confuse that overweight = 150-200-250-300+ kg of a person. I am almost 1.90 meters tall and couple kg's above 100, and consider myself "overweight". Just to give you a perspective and make you understand that overweight =/= someone that cant fit into bathtube. That would make you overweight. I don't have the index in front of me, but that would also probably make you categorized as obese. That doesn't mean you can't fit in a bathtub. It does mean you are susceptible to higher risks of heart, lung, and other health issues - which means you would not be a candidate for this hypothetical Andromeda Initiative. It's also why there are no obese / overweight people in Andromeda. Which is why Andromeda has a grand total of 2 trans people - and given the changes they made in the patch, it's crystal clear that even their inclusion in the game was due to inclusion, not because of narrative. Trans and gay people would not be good candidate for a mission like this.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 10, 2017 15:06:25 GMT
Which is why Andromeda has a grand total of 2 trans people - That you know of. Seriously, literally every character could be trans and...how would anyone know any different? *shrug*
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