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Post by Dukemon on Jul 15, 2019 18:37:44 GMT
What is this? Why you can choose a Intimidate Line in Ostagar by conversation with Alistair, when It has no matter how you are skilled?
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Post by theskymoves on Jul 15, 2019 20:06:12 GMT
What is this? Why you can choose a Intimidate Line in Ostagar by conversation with Alistair, when It has no matter how you are skilled? What dialogue in particular? (I can look it up in the toolset and see if there's a missing conditional or something.)
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 15, 2019 20:32:34 GMT
What is this? Why you can choose a Intimidate Line in Ostagar by conversation with Alistair, when It has no matter how you are skilled? What dialogue in particular? (I can look it up in the toolset and see if there's a missing conditional or something.) I think it's the line where you ask him about what the joining entails? I mean, it's the only one I can think of that uses an intimidate check
the persuade line is: 'Surely you can tell me something.' and the intimidate line reads: 'You're going to tell me everything. Now.'
^ though despite the choices according to the toolset Alistair won't tell you anything regardless his response (understandably) is different depending on whether you selected persuade or intimidate
(oh and before I forget, can I just say I love your mods? I have several of them installed for my current playthrough )
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Post by theskymoves on Jul 15, 2019 21:31:07 GMT
What dialogue in particular? (I can look it up in the toolset and see if there's a missing conditional or something.) I think it's the line where you ask him about what the joining entails? I mean, it's the only one I can think of that uses an intimidate check
the persuade line is: 'Surely you can tell me something.' and the intimidate line reads: 'You're going to tell me everything. Now.'
^ though despite the choices according to the toolset Alistair won't tell you anything regardless his response (understandably) is different depending on whether you selected persuade or intimidate
(oh and before I forget, can I just say I love your mods? I have several of them installed for my current playthrough ) If it is that line, then there is no skill check conditional for either the Persuade or Intimidate line. There are other examples of that in the game though (off the top of my head I can think of the conversation with Dwyn, which has a least one 'Intimidate' choice without a Coercion skill check).... perhaps in such instances the Persuade/Intimidate label is simply to indicate tone or flavour? *shrug*
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 15, 2019 22:05:01 GMT
I think it's the line where you ask him about what the joining entails? I mean, it's the only one I can think of that uses an intimidate check
the persuade line is: 'Surely you can tell me something.' and the intimidate line reads: 'You're going to tell me everything. Now.'
^ though despite the choices according to the toolset Alistair won't tell you anything regardless his response (understandably) is different depending on whether you selected persuade or intimidate
(oh and before I forget, can I just say I love your mods? I have several of them installed for my current playthrough ) If it is that line, then there is no skill check conditional for either the Persuade or Intimidate line. There are other examples of that in the game though (off the top of my head I can think of the conversation with Dwyn, which has a least one 'Intimidate' choice without a Coercion skill check).... perhaps in such instances the Persuade/Intimidate label is simply to indicate tone or flavour? *shrug*
And I'm so glad you are enjoying some of my small efforts to mod the game! it might be, as I said, it's the only lines I can recall from Alistair during Ostagar that uses the Coercion skill flavors *shrugs*
and you're welcome people like yourself are why I'm trying out some modding of my own at present, it's going slow (since I have no prior knowledge beyond making small edits and head morphs) but I'm having a lot of fun so far, I'm trying to make a hair mod for Sten (I know...it's a bit odd perhaps, but I felt he needed one ), and perhaps if I'm able to finish it I'm going to make some other mods as well I have an idea for an armor mod for my main warden...we'll see how that goes
and I wouldn't call them small, some of them make the experience so much better (even after the many playthroughs I've had up 'till now) some of them even make me go 'why didn't I think of that? that's neat!' like putting Anders in the Circle after saving it, I love that one or the kaddis store, I love having Dog around, so having a shop dedicated to him is very nice as well
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Post by Dukemon on Jul 16, 2019 12:38:14 GMT
@theskymove und LayofNemeis: Thank you. That was what I have meand. I can't quite understand why such lines of decoration are left in game.
Which mods do you mean? Now I'm curious.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 16, 2019 12:46:10 GMT
@theskymove und LayofNemeis: Thank you. That was what I have meand. I can't quite understand why such lines of decoration are left in game. Which mods do you mean? Now I'm curious. some of them are minor flavor mods, but they work quite well you can find most (if not all) on the Dragon Age nexus
and you're welcome
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Post by theskymoves on Jul 16, 2019 12:53:29 GMT
The 'why' of having persuade/intimidate labels on dialogue without a Coercion requirement would be best asked of the developers... there's no indication at all in the toolset of what the reasoning is, on any of the instances I've seen... though I personally believe that it's just a 'flavour' or 'emphasis' indicator... and if I'm remembering correctly, DAO player character Persuade/Intimidate dialogue options always appear, whether the player has any points in Coercion, with the pass/fail check (if any) only determining what the NPC response is; this differs from DAI, where the availability of certain dialogue was contingent investment in perks. (And it's been YEARS since I played any of the Dragon Age games, so I may be mis-remembering. )
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Post by theskymoves on Jul 16, 2019 12:55:39 GMT
@theskymove und LayofNemeis: Thank you. That was what I have meand. I can't quite understand why such lines of decoration are left in game. Which mods do you mean? Now I'm curious. some of them are minor flavor mods, but they work quite well you can find most (if not all) on the Dragon Age nexus
and you're welcome
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 16, 2019 13:11:26 GMT
some of them are minor flavor mods, but they work quite well you can find most (if not all) on the Dragon Age nexus
and you're welcome
you're welcome love
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Cool. I am using your No RNG Fadewall Plus Mod. Thank you.
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How I wished, when I first played this, that he would lick my Warden's pole...*sigh* There's a mod for it now of course. Which I've used, but still, the first time around I was quite desperate to get the dorkish Templar on *my* team. I'm reinstalling DAO as I write this. Four runs of DAI in a row are quite enough but I still need to be in Thedas so...
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Post by bierkrug on May 29, 2021 22:48:42 GMT
Gotta ask something that was a bit weird in DA2 (I got late into these games, don't hit me). Alistair as King refers to a warden queen as "his ball and chain" which is... not terribly nice. I'd expect him to say that about Anora, not Cousland. Especially since his warden self in Inquisition still seems to love the HoF very much. Is that somewhat canonical that the royal marriage version of their life goes sour? Is this some bug? Just tone deaf writing? What is going on?
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Post by theskymoves on May 30, 2021 16:48:24 GMT
Gotta ask something that was a bit weird in DA2 (I got late into these games, don't hit me). Alistair as King refers to a warden queen as "his ball and chain" which is... not terribly nice. I'd expect him to say that about Anora, not Cousland. Especially since his warden self in Inquisition still seems to love the HoF very much. Is that somewhat canonical that the royal marriage version of their life goes sour? Is this some bug? Just tone deaf writing? What is going on?
I've always attributed it to Bioware wanting a one-size-fits-all bit of dialogue, to accommodate the different scenarios where Alistair has married the Warden and remove the need for a plot-flag check for whether it was a lovematch or political marriage and the recording multiple/alternate lines of dialogue. ('Ball-and-chain' could either be a jokey but affectionate reference, or a bitter unhappy one... the delivery of the line is pretty neutral from what I can recall.)
The writing for King Alistair in DA2 is just pretty awful, IMO. I much prefer his Warden cameo. (That goes for Inquisition as well.)
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Post by bierkrug on May 30, 2021 18:17:58 GMT
The writing for King Alistair in DA2 is just pretty awful, IMO. I much prefer his Warden cameo. (That goes for Inquisition as well.) Yeah, almost makes me regretful that in my canon, he's king XD Going from "he's so besotted for his new queen" to this. Realistic maybe but kind of depressing, even if it was due to technical limitations.
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Post by theskymoves on May 30, 2021 19:47:18 GMT
The writing for King Alistair in DA2 is just pretty awful, IMO. I much prefer his Warden cameo. (That goes for Inquisition as well.) Yeah, almost makes me regretful that in my canon, he's king XD Going from "he's so besotted for his new queen" to this. Realistic maybe but kind of depressing, even if it was due to technical limitations. The mistress-Warden line would have worked just as well for a non-political Queen Cousland (something like 'Is she? Well, the day's looking up already.'), which is what made me think it was a matter of not wanting to bother with a plot flag check on the romance.... DA2 was such a rush job, and so many corners were cut in the process (and certain devs were so dismissive of Alimancers, with their 'Alistair never loved you' mockery), that it's not surprising that the cameo is half-assed and unsatisfying.
My canon Warden was an Ultimate Sacrifice w/ solo King Alistair, so I only have to hear the ball-and-chain line when I import one of my garbage Couslands.
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Post by bierkrug on May 31, 2021 11:20:38 GMT
Zevran's cameo seemed a lot more nicely done than Alistair's. But then again, he has less varied plot outcomes. (and certain devs were so dismissive of Alimancers, with their 'Alistair never loved you' mockery) Never heard of this. What happened?
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Post by theskymoves on May 31, 2021 21:39:53 GMT
Zevran's cameo seemed a lot more nicely done than Alistair's. But then again, he has less varied plot outcomes. (and certain devs were so dismissive of Alimancers, with their 'Alistair never loved you' mockery) Never heard of this. What happened? I may have some small details (because it was a looooong time ago) but David Gaider was being an ass on the old BSN forums (because that's what he did for fun, or something, when he wasn't being an ass to fans on Twitter), and he got into it with a fan who was really upset over her(?) misinterpretation of the Cailan and Anora snowglobe gift for Sigrun, in Awakening. (She had mis-read it as being Alistair and Anora's wedding, IIRC, when she had married him to her Warden.) Rather than explaining the context of the snowglobe and correcting her incorrect reading, DG told her that the plaque on the snowglobe said "Alistair never loved you."
Someone later made him a gift of a snowglobe with that inscription and he was very proud of it.
He always seemed to enjoy making fans feel very small and stupid for being attached to characters in the games, and I find that very peculiar... why go to the trouble to bring a character to life, if you don't want people to feel passionate about them?
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