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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Apr 6, 2019 16:27:05 GMT phoray, Amirit, and 1 more like this

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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 15, 2019 18:37:44 GMT

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Post by Dukemon on Jul 15, 2019 18:37:44 GMT

What is this? Why you can choose a Intimidate Line in Ostagar by conversation with Alistair, when It has no matter how you are skilled?

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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 15, 2019 20:06:12 GMT

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Post by theskymoves on Jul 15, 2019 20:06:12 GMT

Jul 15, 2019 18:37:44 GMT Dukemon said:

What is this? Why you can choose a Intimidate Line in Ostagar by conversation with Alistair, when It has no matter how you are skilled?

What dialogue in particular? (I can look it up in the toolset and see if there's a missing conditional or something.)

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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 15, 2019 20:32:34 GMT Amirit likes this

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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 15, 2019 20:32:34 GMT

Jul 15, 2019 20:06:12 GMT theskymoves said:

Jul 15, 2019 18:37:44 GMT Dukemon said:

What is this? Why you can choose a Intimidate Line in Ostagar by conversation with Alistair, when It has no matter how you are skilled?

What dialogue in particular? (I can look it up in the toolset and see if there's a missing conditional or something.)

I think it's the line where you ask him about what the joining entails? I mean, it's the only one I can think of that uses an intimidate check

the persuade line is: 'Surely you can tell me something.'

and the intimidate line reads: 'You're going to tell me everything. Now.'

^ though despite the choices according to the toolset Alistair won't tell you anything regardless

his response (understandably) is different depending on whether you selected persuade or intimidate

(oh and before I forget, can I just say I love your mods? I have several of them installed for my current playthrough ^_^

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‘Hawke this, Hawke that,’ Why does everything fall to me? - Champion of Kirkwall
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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 15, 2019 21:31:07 GMT

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Post by theskymoves on Jul 15, 2019 21:31:07 GMT

Jul 15, 2019 20:32:34 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

Jul 15, 2019 20:06:12 GMT theskymoves said:

What dialogue in particular? (I can look it up in the toolset and see if there's a missing conditional or something.)

I think it's the line where you ask him about what the joining entails? I mean, it's the only one I can think of that uses an intimidate check

the persuade line is: 'Surely you can tell me something.'

and the intimidate line reads: 'You're going to tell me everything. Now.'

^ though despite the choices according to the toolset Alistair won't tell you anything regardless

his response (understandably) is different depending on whether you selected persuade or intimidate

(oh and before I forget, can I just say I love your mods? I have several of them installed for my current playthrough ^_^

)

If it is that line, then there is no skill check conditional for either the Persuade or Intimidate line. There are other examples of that in the game though (off the top of my head I can think of the conversation with Dwyn, which has a least one 'Intimidate' choice without a Coercion skill check).... perhaps in such instances the Persuade/Intimidate label is simply to indicate tone or flavour? *shrug*

And I'm so glad you are enjoying some of my small efforts to mod the game! :blush:

Last Edit: Jul 15, 2019 21:32:48 GMT by theskymoves

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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 15, 2019 22:05:01 GMT Amirit likes this

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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 15, 2019 22:05:01 GMT

Jul 15, 2019 21:31:07 GMT theskymoves said:

Jul 15, 2019 20:32:34 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

I think it's the line where you ask him about what the joining entails? I mean, it's the only one I can think of that uses an intimidate check

the persuade line is: 'Surely you can tell me something.'

and the intimidate line reads: 'You're going to tell me everything. Now.'

^ though despite the choices according to the toolset Alistair won't tell you anything regardless

his response (understandably) is different depending on whether you selected persuade or intimidate

(oh and before I forget, can I just say I love your mods? I have several of them installed for my current playthrough ^_^

)

If it is that line, then there is no skill check conditional for either the Persuade or Intimidate line. There are other examples of that in the game though (off the top of my head I can think of the conversation with Dwyn, which has a least one 'Intimidate' choice without a Coercion skill check).... perhaps in such instances the Persuade/Intimidate label is simply to indicate tone or flavour? *shrug*

And I'm so glad you are enjoying some of my small efforts to mod the game! :blush:

it might be, as I said, it's the only lines I can recall from Alistair during Ostagar that uses the Coercion skill flavors *shrugs*

and you're welcome ^_^

people like yourself are why I'm trying out some modding of my own at present, it's going slow (since I have no prior knowledge beyond making small edits and head morphs)

but I'm having a lot of fun so far, I'm trying to make a hair mod for Sten (I know...it's a bit odd perhaps, but I felt he needed one :lol:

), and perhaps if I'm able to finish it I'm going to make some other mods as well

I have an idea for an armor mod for my main warden...we'll see how that goes

and I wouldn't call them small, some of them make the experience so much better (even after the many playthroughs I've had up 'till now)

some of them even make me go 'why didn't I think of that? that's neat!' like putting Anders in the Circle after saving it, I love that one

or the kaddis store, I love having Dog around, so having a shop dedicated to him is very nice as well

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People are messy, but they're trying, and I'm going to make sure they get that chance - Commander Shepard

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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 16, 2019 12:38:14 GMT

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Post by Dukemon on Jul 16, 2019 12:38:14 GMT

@theskymove und LayofNemeis: Thank you. That was what I have meand.
I can't quite understand why such lines of decoration are left in game.

Which mods do you mean? Now I'm curious.

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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 16, 2019 12:46:10 GMT

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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 16, 2019 12:46:10 GMT

Jul 16, 2019 12:38:14 GMT Dukemon said:

@theskymove und LayofNemeis: Thank you. That was what I have meand.
I can't quite understand why such lines of decoration are left in game.

Which mods do you mean? Now I'm curious.

theskymoves makes some imo. amazing mods

some of them are minor flavor mods, but they work quite well

you can find most (if not all) on the Dragon Age nexus

and you're welcome

Always something to be killed, and I’m the one to do it – Hero of Ferelden
‘Hawke this, Hawke that,’ Why does everything fall to me? - Champion of Kirkwall
Our concern must be the order and safety of this world, not the next. - The Inquisitor

People are messy, but they're trying, and I'm going to make sure they get that chance - Commander Shepard

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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 16, 2019 12:53:29 GMT

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Post by theskymoves on Jul 16, 2019 12:53:29 GMT

The 'why' of having persuade/intimidate labels on dialogue without a Coercion requirement would be best asked of the developers... there's no indication at all in the toolset of what the reasoning is, on any of the instances I've seen... though I personally believe that it's just a 'flavour' or 'emphasis' indicator... and if I'm remembering correctly, DAO player character Persuade/Intimidate dialogue options always appear, whether the player has any points in Coercion, with the pass/fail check (if any) only determining what the NPC response is; this differs from DAI, where the availability of certain dialogue was contingent investment in perks. (And it's been YEARS since I played any of the Dragon Age games, so I may be mis-remembering.

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And most of the mods I've released can currently be found on the Dragon Age Nexus.

Last Edit: Jul 16, 2019 15:00:21 GMT by theskymoves

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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 16, 2019 12:55:39 GMT Liadan, phoray, and 2 more like this

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Post by theskymoves on Jul 16, 2019 12:55:39 GMT

Jul 16, 2019 12:46:10 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

Jul 16, 2019 12:38:14 GMT Dukemon said:

@theskymove und LayofNemeis: Thank you. That was what I have meand.
I can't quite understand why such lines of decoration are left in game.

Which mods do you mean? Now I'm curious.

theskymoves makes some imo. amazing mods

some of them are minor flavor mods, but they work quite well

you can find most (if not all) on the Dragon Age nexus

and you're welcome

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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 16, 2019 13:11:26 GMT

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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 16, 2019 13:11:26 GMT

Jul 16, 2019 12:55:39 GMT theskymoves said:

Jul 16, 2019 12:46:10 GMT LadyofNemesis said:

theskymoves makes some imo. amazing mods

some of them are minor flavor mods, but they work quite well

you can find most (if not all) on the Dragon Age nexus

and you're welcome

you're welcome love

Always something to be killed, and I’m the one to do it – Hero of Ferelden
‘Hawke this, Hawke that,’ Why does everything fall to me? - Champion of Kirkwall
Our concern must be the order and safety of this world, not the next. - The Inquisitor

People are messy, but they're trying, and I'm going to make sure they get that chance - Commander Shepard

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Alistair Thread - Lick a lamppost in winter! Jul 16, 2019 15:16:17 GMT

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Post by Dukemon on Jul 16, 2019 15:16:17 GMT

Cool. I am using your No RNG Fadewall Plus Mod.

Thank you.

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