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Post by bjorndadwarf on Apr 8, 2017 9:01:00 GMT
I unlocked the Crusader tonight, which is far and away my favorite gun from ME3MP. It was only my 6th UR drop, I literally whooped for joy! I was sure it would be one of the last URs I would get, just because I wanted it so much.
Immediately had to jump into a Silver to give it a spin. The sound it makes feels pretty good, rate of fire is fine, damage might be on the low side of what I would like, but it's Rank 1 and I only have a rank 4 barrel, there's room to grow here.
And then I try to headshot a distant enemy. And miss. And then I try to headshot a medium range enemy. And miss. And then I try to headshot a close enemy. And miss. The dot is on their head each time. Da fuq?
The Crusader isn't a pinpoint accurate gun anymore. There's a reticle, which is fairly large, and the slug can land anywhere in it. So it has standard pellet spread on a single slug shotgun. Headshots are functionally pure luck at range, and inconsistent even fairly close. The incredible accuracy of the Crusader was one of the defining traits of the weapon, and one of the reasons I found it so fun.
Accuracy bonuses do affect it, moving into cover makes it more accurate and Turbo Charge makes it more accurate, but even with those two bonuses combined, long distance shots are still not guaranteed (Smart Choke, which will hopefully be fixed at some point, can't be put on it). Maybe with a character with passive accuracy, plus cover, plus Turbocharge you might get it close to being highly accurate at medium range. But none of those come close to making it what it was.
I fired up ME3 just to make sure I didn't have rose colored glasses on, and nope, that thing could pop a pimple on a Krogan's back from a hundred yards.
This really just bums me out a whole bunch though. I understand people being frustrated at some weapons feeling (or being) underpowered, but I hadn't yet run across a weapon from 3 that just felt so fundamentally different and broken as the Crusader does.
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Post by Gelantious on Apr 8, 2017 9:06:43 GMT
Yup, with the human soldiers passives I've gotten it pretty accurate. So only miss half the shots if the target is far away. But still sucks, though the bullet spread mod would be able to get the accuracy higher. But can't even use that with the crusader, guess since it's a single slug weapon.
So yeah, it's a bummer. And makes me worry about the Claymore if they ever add it back....
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Post by riviet on Apr 8, 2017 9:09:33 GMT
OP, have you tried the weapon while hosting? Some forum users have talked about hit detection issues with headshots when playing off-host.
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Post by bjorndadwarf on Apr 8, 2017 9:17:39 GMT
OP, have you tried the weapon while hosting? Some forum users have talked about hit detection issues with headshots when playing off-host. This isn't a host issue, I took it into the Tutorial mission after that Silver to see exactly how it was firing, and the pellet lands all over reticle. It appears to have a similar (maybe somewhat tighter, but similar) reticle size as other shotguns, meaning it has the same inaccuracy they do. But with a single pellet, the odds of missing completely are much higher. Edited to add: I'm headed to bed now, but I might take a couple of screenshots comparing the 3 to A tomorrow to show just how extreme the difference is. I know a lot of people can get pretty hyperbolic on here about some of these things, but that's not something I'm prone to. It's really that much of a difference. |
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 8, 2017 9:34:57 GMT
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Post by XCPTNL on Apr 8, 2017 10:00:57 GMT
I only have it a level 1 but oh boy did it suck compared to ME3MP where I actually just started using it a short while ago after patching it. I was hoping it would be as good as in ME3 but  |
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Post by gethadept on Apr 8, 2017 11:58:14 GMT
Oh, so they changed the bahavior of Crusader?
.....that is disappointing....
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Post by nanotm on Apr 8, 2017 12:25:49 GMT
crusader was epic in me3, heavy sniper gun capable of ohk on everything that wasn't a boss mob, and only 2 reloads to take them out, but pretty sure it wasn't a single shot weapon before, or maybe I only used it on the chars with extended magazines/
putting that tiny aiming c ross in just the right spot across the map so the pyro's head popped off was my favourite trick,
but then have you noticed how frigging slow the plasma rounds are in the this game (slightly off topic I know) but something that's supposed ot land before its even left the barrel and yet it misses 90+% of the time because the mook side stepped after you pulled the trigger what the hell is up with that ?
of course when they don't dodge your projectiles they do nice damage compared ot similar weapons in their class...
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 8, 2017 12:38:02 GMT
Have you been blessed with an ushior or a paw yet? It gets worse.
Also keep in mind that they didn't just ruin the accuracy on the crusader, they undid all the buffs it got during me3's lifecycle and put it back to it's original 420 damage.
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Post by mrfuddyduddy on Apr 8, 2017 12:45:25 GMT
Wasn't the Crusader a complete piece of crap in ME3? thing was just a lighter more unreliable Claymore. Miss the glory days, GI and line up that Tact Cloak shot that kills like 5 enemies lol
Speaking of where the f*** is the Claymore? I mean I'm kind of glad its not in the game because it would probably be a complete turd in Andromeda but still.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 8, 2017 13:07:47 GMT
Wasn't the Crusader a complete piece of crap in ME3? thing was just a lighter more unreliable Claymore. Miss the glory days, GI and line up that Tact Cloak shot that kills like 5 enemies lol Speaking of where the f*** is the Claymore? I mean I'm kind of glad its not in the game because it would probably be a complete turd in Andromeda but still. No, this is a memory fail. It was not lighter. The thing weighs a ton. And it always hit like a sledgehammer. It did get buffed, like all the N7 weapons, but it never was a piece of crap. |
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Post by What Else You Need To Know? on Apr 8, 2017 13:11:44 GMT
I would bet a lot of people don't even realize how amazing the crusader was. The wraith was bad ass too. Claymore can go to hell...EAware agrees haha. Reload deez.
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Post by Transcended One on Apr 8, 2017 13:17:05 GMT
Wasn't the Crusader a complete piece of crap in ME3? thing was just a lighter more unreliable Claymore. Miss the glory days, GI and line up that Tact Cloak shot that kills like 5 enemies lol Speaking of where the f*** is the Claymore? I mean I'm kind of glad its not in the game because it would probably be a complete turd in Andromeda but still. No, this is a memory fail. It was not lighter. The thing weighs a ton. And it always hit like a sledgehammer. It did get buffed, like all the N7 weapons, but it never was a piece of crap. Well both the Eagle and Crusader were the two N7 weapons nobody wanted (at first) because they WERE pieces of crap. But it was allright after the buff. The ME:A version is back to ME3 pre-buff levels... |
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 8, 2017 13:40:01 GMT
I would bet a lot of people don't even realize how amazing the crusader was. The wraith was bad ass too. Claymore can go to hell...EAware agrees haha. Reload deez. The new dhan (2 shot ultra rare shotgun) is a piece of crap compared to the wraith, it's so bad. Wraith was bad in the beginning too though so hopefully the dhan gets buffed. |
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Apr 8, 2017 13:48:02 GMT
Crusader also had that infuriating delay bug in ME3 that made quick headshots at moving targets extremely difficult to achieve outside of sheer luck.
The did fix that for MEA, right?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 8, 2017 13:49:44 GMT
No, this is a memory fail. It was not lighter. The thing weighs a ton. And it always hit like a sledgehammer. It did get buffed, like all the N7 weapons, but it never was a piece of crap. Well both the Eagle and Crusader were the two N7 weapons nobody wanted (at first) because they WERE pieces of crap. But it was allright after the buff. The ME:A version is back to ME3 pre-buff levels... The Eagle was always good too. It just wasn't UR level (none of the N7s were). I had both at high levels early on thanks to the weekend challenges, and the only thing that sucked about the Crusader was my aim and not understanding the delay. The Hurricane was pretty average too... Until it became lol. |
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Post by nanotm on Apr 8, 2017 14:35:21 GMT
the crusader hat 4 shots, did as much damage as the claymore and could double up as a sniper weapon, its only draw back was the targeting ai which meant you couldn't snap aim, but it was a superb weapon choice any anything where its weight wasn't a problem, of course it didn't hold a flame to the reegar for up close work, then again it don't think much did.
actually surprised we don't have something like the reegar in this game tbh, i'd have thought that and the arc pistol would of made it across, way better than the phalanx or the katana for instance.
also whats with the carnifex hitting like a spitwad? the predator and the phalanx a far superior to it, actually the preadator with its high rate of fire and large clip size is better than most of the other pistols despite it being nerfed in the damage front/
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Post by Transcended One on Apr 8, 2017 14:39:16 GMT
Crusader also had that infuriating delay bug in ME3 that made quick headshots at moving targets extremely difficult to achieve outside of sheer luck. The did fix that for MEA, right? The one time I tried it it did have a delay. But the delay is not the issue. That awesome Javelin, which was already my favorite when everybody else was still humping their (Black) Widow (yeah yeah because of the 100% shield gate on Gold and stuff), had a certain delay... |
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Post by Transcended One on Apr 8, 2017 14:48:24 GMT
the crusader hat 4 shots, did as much damage as the claymore and could double up as a sniper weapon, its only draw back was the targeting ai which meant you couldn't snap aim, but it was a superb weapon choice any anything where its weight wasn't a problem, of course it didn't hold a flame to the reegar for up close work, then again it don't think much did. actually surprised we don't have something like the reegar in this game tbh, i'd have thought that and the arc pistol would of made it across, way better than the phalanx or the katana for instance. also whats with the carnifex hitting like a spitwad? the predator and the phalanx a far superior to it, actually the preadator with its high rate of fire and large clip size is better than most of the other pistols despite it being nerfed in the damage front/ The Reegar IS in the game, but apparently singleplayer only for some reason, like the Pathfinder weapons. |
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Post by Zerfidius on Apr 8, 2017 14:59:13 GMT
Crusader also had that infuriating delay bug in ME3 that made quick headshots at moving targets extremely difficult to achieve outside of sheer luck. The did fix that for MEA, right? The one time I tried it it did have a delay. But the delay is not the issue. That awesome Javelin, which was already my favorite when everybody else was still humping their (Black) Widow (yeah yeah because of the 100% shield gate on Gold and stuff), had a certain delay... No the crusader delay was different. It would shoot where you had aimed it about 0.2 seconds before you had pulled the trigger. Felt odd if you hosted, but became a real pain if there was lag. I think it's gone in MEA. |
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Post by nanotm on Apr 8, 2017 15:00:07 GMT
the crusader hat 4 shots, did as much damage as the claymore and could double up as a sniper weapon, its only draw back was the targeting ai which meant you couldn't snap aim, but it was a superb weapon choice any anything where its weight wasn't a problem, of course it didn't hold a flame to the reegar for up close work, then again it don't think much did. actually surprised we don't have something like the reegar in this game tbh, i'd have thought that and the arc pistol would of made it across, way better than the phalanx or the katana for instance. also whats with the carnifex hitting like a spitwad? the predator and the phalanx a far superior to it, actually the preadator with its high rate of fire and large clip size is better than most of the other pistols despite it being nerfed in the damage front/ The Reegar IS in the game, but apparently singleplayer only for some reason, like the Pathfinder weapons. that's pretty pathetic really.... also the original krysee wasn't as good as the lanat is now, and I just used my lvl 1 one to one shot a hydra on a bronze match (hit it in the cooling tank with a full charged shot from cloak with the human female infiltrator with all the weapon damage passives selected) the krysee never ohk'd a boss.... |
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Post by palker4 on Apr 8, 2017 15:14:18 GMT
on topic of shotgun accuracy.
Look at that i mean the pellets just go in the circle around your aimpoint that means that if you don't aim down sights or shoot from further tan 2 feet away you will hit enemy in the ankles while aiming for head this is just so stupid it makes shotguns nearly unusable on anything but vanguards. Maybe some with accuracy boosts it is not that bad as this is in SP with no investment in the combat threes or any equipment.
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Apr 8, 2017 15:17:30 GMT
The one time I tried it it did have a delay. But the delay is not the issue. That awesome Javelin, which was already my favorite when everybody else was still humping their (Black) Widow (yeah yeah because of the 100% shield gate on Gold and stuff), had a certain delay... No the crusader delay was different. It would shoot where you had aimed it about 0.2 seconds before you had pulled the trigger. Felt odd if you hosted, but became a real pain if there was lag. I think it's gone in MEA. No, that myth was busted. The game doesn't keep track where you aimed before pulling the trigger. Crusader fired from the spot you pulled the trigger to the direction you aimed when you pulled the trigger, but there was ~0.1 second delay before the game actually processed the shot. Essentially the bullet froze in the air for a moment right after exiting the barrel. |
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Post by shadowwolf on Apr 8, 2017 15:19:04 GMT
I would bet a lot of people don't even realize how amazing the crusader was. The wraith was bad ass too. Claymore can go to hell...EAware agrees haha. Reload deez. Was pretty fond of the Claymore on my Human Infiltrator in ME3MP. Miss both the Claymore and Cryo Blast in MEAMP. |
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Apr 8, 2017 15:20:46 GMT
on topic of shotgun accuracy. Look at that i mean the pellets just go in the circle around your aimpoint that means that if you don't aim down sights or shoot from further tan 2 feet away you will hit enemy in the ankles while aiming for head this is just so stupid it makes shotguns nearly unusable on anything but vanguards. Maybe some with accuracy boosts it is not that bad as this is in SP with no investment in the combat threes or any equipment. That's exactly the same spread pattern Piranha had in ME3. Most shotguns aren't like that. However, in ME3 the amount of spread didn't change whether you aimed down the sights or not. I guess that's how chokes work in MEA. Will need some getting used to. |
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