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Post by stuffeddodo on Apr 8, 2017 18:17:35 GMT
Upload is by FAR the most difficult objective wave. To the point where it is stacked so heavily in the enemy's favour that it can be completely impossible to complete.
The other objectives are downright easy. They even made the second hardest objective, Devices, so fast to complete that you now hope it comes up in your match. Even the fact that bosses can now be Assassination targets has made it only slightly less of a cakewalk.
Upload on the other hand has multiple requirements. Firstly you have not one but three sites to handle, Secondly you must ensure no enemy has so much as a toe in the circle, Thirdly god forbid you should have to leave the circle for more than a few seconds because all your progress is then lost.
Some maps are so small that the upload sites can literally occur in a line right next to each other (Magma I'm looking at you) causing the enemies to swarm and make uploading at any of the sites absolutely impossible.
Cobras deal so little damage that trying to use them as a viable option to clear an upload site is laughable.
If you attempt to defend an upload site and get swamped then the more you fight the more swamped you become. But you can't leave and come back because this will render all the time you've been fighting utterly wasted.
Enemies of all factions come into close range so often that the rate you have to kill to clear the circle is insane. And enemies move so fast across the map that even when attempting to lure them from an upload site you will return to find they are already on your tail. Luring enemies used to be a viable option in ME3MP.
My suggestion would be they move the fact that enemy presence pauses the progress from Upload to Hack to make the one easier and the other harder.
Thoughts on the balance of different objectives? Any viable strategies? Has anyone ever managed upload on wave 6 Gold/Kett/Magma?? If so I salute you.
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Post by SalMasRac on Apr 8, 2017 18:22:10 GMT
It doesn't matter how many people are inside an Upload circle. Progress is the same. So it's beneficial to have one reliable person Uploading while the others scatter around to draw enemies away.
If you have multiple reliable people, they can do this from the other Upload areas.
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Post by neightrix on Apr 8, 2017 18:25:53 GMT
Also known as the objective where you want Stealth Grid.
It wouldn't be as bad if Anointed/Berserkers/etc didn't sprint at you like their pants are on fire. Probably the poster child for Cobras needing a buff: 2 for Anointed, more than 2 for Fiends, 3 more Ascendants (4 if you count the orb).
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Post by onehitparry on Apr 8, 2017 18:26:40 GMT
Another user suggested that enemies shouldn't be able to stop or contest an upload. I think that would be a fine way to balance out this objective. I haven't had many issues with Outlaws, and I have ln't played much Kett on gold, but the Remnant routinely causr upload problems. Breachers are quick and ignore normal pathing with their flight. So sometime it seems like I've failed an upload because of endless breachers + other dudes to fill breacher lulls.
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Post by stuffeddodo on Apr 8, 2017 18:30:09 GMT
Also known as the objective where you want Stealth Grid. It wouldn't be as bad if Anointed/Berserkers/etc didn't sprint at you like their pants are on fire. Probably the poster child for Cobras needing a buff: 2 for Anointed, more than 2 for Fiends, 3 more Ascendants (4 if you count the orb). I have done upload sites alone spamming stealth grid, it's certainly effective. But ensuring your team has a character with stealth grid for every match is a little much. Also I feel especially sorry for people joining random groups where teamwork can be minimal.
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Post by missileglitcher on Apr 8, 2017 18:31:11 GMT
It's not an issue with the objectives. The problem is that the weapons and powers do no damage and it takes 20 seconds to take out the lowest ranking enemies, making it impossible to deal with enemies quickly.
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Post by palker4 on Apr 8, 2017 18:31:57 GMT
Just wiped upload 3rd wave against Kett on gold it was hecking impossible half of my team got killed and i could not clean the upload zone. The kett are so bullet spongy i cannot kill them fast enough. Ended up getting sync killed by the banshee on steroids, ascendant or whatever they call it. Upload plus kett might as well surrender unless you have insane DPS which i don't have even with the vanquisher and infiltrator.
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Post by someN7orother on Apr 8, 2017 18:33:45 GMT
It doesn't matter how many people are inside an Upload circle. Progress is the same. So it's beneficial to have one reliable person Uploading while the others scatter around to draw enemies away. If you have multiple reliable people, they can do this from the other Upload areas. And by "reliable", I assume you mean "Infiltrator". But yeah, the times I've completed it we did it by spreading out and trying to get all uploads going simultaneously. Once one or two sites are done, those players can work on taking pressure off of the remaining. It's also very important to rocket the Fiend as soon as you see it. Several times. Don't stop nuking it after it's dead, lest it syncs you from hell.
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Post by stuffeddodo on Apr 8, 2017 18:34:27 GMT
It's not an issue with the objectives. The problem is that the weapons and powers do no damage and it takes 20 seconds to take out the lowest ranking enemies, making it impossible to deal with enemies quickly. Yup, it's impossible to clear enemies quicker than they spawn and reach you. You make an excellent point.
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Post by P51Mus7ang on Apr 8, 2017 18:34:31 GMT
I generally suggeat to the team the two most powerful do one each while the other two draw as much fire as possible then we team up for two at the third, it works although Kett is touch and go, the enemies spawn so damn fast in this game it's really tough
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Apr 8, 2017 18:34:56 GMT
It doesn't matter how many people are inside an Upload circle. Progress is the same. So it's beneficial to have one reliable person Uploading while the others scatter around to draw enemies away. If you have multiple reliable people, they can do this from the other Upload areas. I wasn't sure about this, if it was enough one person stood in the circle or if the whole group had to stay there but now I know finally. Thank you Sal
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Post by stuffeddodo on Apr 8, 2017 18:37:30 GMT
It doesn't matter how many people are inside an Upload circle. Progress is the same. So it's beneficial to have one reliable person Uploading while the others scatter around to draw enemies away. If you have multiple reliable people, they can do this from the other Upload areas. I wasn't sure about this, if it was enough one person stood in the circle or if the whole group had to stay there but now I know finally. Thank you Sal I was also unsure of this, good to know!
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Post by SalMasRac on Apr 8, 2017 18:45:47 GMT
I wasn't sure about this, if it was enough one person stood in the circle or if the whole group had to stay there but now I know finally. Thank you Sal I was also unsure of this, good to know! You can go scorewhore, and claim you are helping! And you won't be wrong!
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Apr 8, 2017 18:47:31 GMT
It's an easy objective.
As long as you have a team of four Sentinels.
I like the idea of this objective, but it can be a pain... maybe it'd work better if your progress would never revert back to zero, so you could do them in pieces.
Assassination, I think, is more difficult by far than devices. Plenty of kits trivialize devices, boss assassination always requires some work - occasionally even teamwork.
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Post by nucleartech76 on Apr 8, 2017 18:50:28 GMT
The best objective for a coordinated team. The worst for solo or a pug match.
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Post by 13igtyme on Apr 8, 2017 18:53:09 GMT
I just run around and melee with my adept and cause a huge distraction.
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Post by Tsukizero on Apr 8, 2017 18:57:13 GMT
I agree with the previous Stealth Grid comment, its to the point to where thats all I run pugging just for that. Unfortunately pugs keep wanting to keep the Infiltrator company.
Also Firebase Zero / Fiends. NOPE Nope nope.. WAY TO DAMN SMALL. SERIOUSLY THIS THING IS HALF THE SIZE OF THE ROOMS.
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Post by vomder on Apr 8, 2017 19:07:45 GMT
It doesn't matter how many people are inside an Upload circle. Progress is the same. So it's beneficial to have one reliable person Uploading while the others scatter around to draw enemies away. If you have multiple reliable people, they can do this from the other Upload areas. Really? I could have sworn I've seen a difference.
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Post by SalMasRac on Apr 8, 2017 19:24:07 GMT
It doesn't matter how many people are inside an Upload circle. Progress is the same. So it's beneficial to have one reliable person Uploading while the others scatter around to draw enemies away. If you have multiple reliable people, they can do this from the other Upload areas. Really? I could have sworn I've seen a difference. In the Hack, there is a difference.
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Post by nucleartech76 on Apr 8, 2017 19:59:21 GMT
Tips like this would be handy in the loading screens. Hack number of players increases objective cap speed, uploads you're better defending the outside of the zone or drawing aggro.
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Post by cryosferon on Apr 8, 2017 21:05:12 GMT
It's not an issue with the objectives. The problem is that the weapons and powers do no damage and it takes 20 seconds to take out the lowest ranking enemies, making it impossible to deal with enemies quickly. Then tell me: Why were waves 1-5 each time a cakewalk for us - whereas wave 6 (upload) nearly felt impossible ? What you said may generally be true - I want to see the powers and weapons better balanced as much as you do. But this is not what OP tried to point out here. The upload objective needs to be adjusted because it doesnt compare to the other objectives and it makes matches suddenly impossible (especially when you are with PUGs) which felt like a cakewalk before.
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Post by cryosferon on Apr 8, 2017 21:09:37 GMT
It doesn't matter how many people are inside an Upload circle. Progress is the same. So it's beneficial to have one reliable person Uploading while the others scatter around to draw enemies away. great tip!! but with PUGs this will be difficult. They have to understand your language and often people mute each other. Because I don't want to sit in someones burping mouth or listen to his music or game sound...
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Post by missileglitcher on Apr 8, 2017 21:12:13 GMT
It's not an issue with the objectives. The problem is that the weapons and powers do no damage and it takes 20 seconds to take out the lowest ranking enemies, making it impossible to deal with enemies quickly. Then tell me: Why were waves 1-5 each time a cakewalk for us - whereas wave 6 (upload) nearly felt impossible ? What you said may generally be true - I want to see the powers and weapons better balanced as much as you do. But this is not what OP tried to point out here. The upload objective needs to be adjusted because it doesnt compare to the other objectives and it makes matches suddenly impossible (especially when you are with PUGs) which felt like a cakewalk before. I had the same experience. The rest of the waves were very easy for us too and we didn't struggle, because you could evade the enemies and run circles around them and whittle them down slowly but steadily. I'll repeat once more, the problem is not with the objective. Not at all. The objective is designed very well and doesn't need to be altered. The real problem is the inability of individual players to control large groups of enemies and eliminate them rapidly. This would never have been a problem in mass effect 3 because there, you had access to so many characters and weapons that could absolutely destroy entire groups of enemies within seconds. Not the case here in Andromeda, and this is where the problem manifests. This is all about the weapons and powers doing zero damage, it's not about the objective. Nothing wrong with the objective, but it does highlight the biggest problem in this game which is the severe lack of dps.
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Post by SalMasRac on Apr 8, 2017 21:14:19 GMT
It doesn't matter how many people are inside an Upload circle. Progress is the same. So it's beneficial to have one reliable person Uploading while the others scatter around to draw enemies away. great tip!! but with PUGs this will be difficult. They have to understand your language and often people mute each other. Because I don't want to sit in someones burping mouth or listen to his music or game sound... Hey now, I've only been known to eat chips, smack my lips, and burp at people, when I have to carry a Wave. Stay upright and I won't do it at you!
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Post by TormDK on Apr 8, 2017 21:15:53 GMT
Yeah, for upload - if you are not alone on the objective, you are doing it wrong.
It's all about spreading out so process on at least two points at once happens.
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