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Post by SalMasRac on Apr 8, 2017 21:15:57 GMT
Then tell me: Why were waves 1-5 each time a cakewalk for us - whereas wave 6 (upload) nearly felt impossible ? What you said may generally be true - I want to see the powers and weapons better balanced as much as you do. But this is not what OP tried to point out here. The upload objective needs to be adjusted because it doesnt compare to the other objectives and it makes matches suddenly impossible (especially when you are with PUGs) which felt like a cakewalk before. I had the same experience. The rest of the waves were very easy for us too and we didn't struggle, because you could evade the enemies and run circles around them and whittle them down slowly but steadily. I'll repeat once more, the problem is not with the objective. Not at all. The objective is designed very well and doesn't need to be altered. The real problem is the inability of individual players to control large groups of enemies and eliminate them rapidly. This would never have been a problem in mass effect 3 because there, you had access to so many characters and weapons that could absolutely destroy entire groups of enemies within seconds. Not the case here in Andromeda, and this is where the problem manifests. This is all about the weapons and powers doing zero damage, it's not about the objective. Nothing wrong with the objective, but it does highlight the biggest problem in this game which is the severe lack of dps. It's not so bad vs Outlaws or Remnant, but you get an Ascendant and/or Fiend in the Upload and you might as well abandon ship. It's even worse with the Ascendant since he has ranged attacks, and often sits there camping the joint. Add to that, Destroyers and Hydras are easy to dispatch with a Rocket, whereas Fiends and Ascendants laugh at your pitiful attempts.
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Apr 8, 2017 21:17:16 GMT
I would never mute other players!
Instead, I direct VOIP audio to an output that's not connected to my amplifier.
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Post by Shodan/etm125 on Apr 8, 2017 21:22:56 GMT
Kett wave 6 upload is just a death sentence with PUGs.
I heard one good idea: What if each player in the upload cancels out an enemy? Like 1 player 1 enemy = no upload. 2 players 1 enemy = upload?
The asshole bubble boy is unrocketable which is the major problem.
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Post by someN7orother on Apr 8, 2017 21:30:15 GMT
Yeah, for upload - if you are not alone on the objective, you are doing it wrong. It's all about spreading out so process on at least two points at once happens. Yeah, this. Whenever I get an upload, I look for the site that is most distant from where we are and make a beeline for it because I know pugs will go to the closest ones. And if someone else comes into my circle, I fuck off elsewhere where I can be of use uploading or trolling the Fiend. Two players in a circle is not just wasteful, it's dangerous. There's plenty of time to complete the objective so it's ok to retreat if you have more aggro than you can handle, provided that the other uploads are progressing. And if you go down, insta-gel. People bleeding out or expecting someone else to come revive them on an upload is just unacceptable.
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Post by palker4 on Apr 8, 2017 21:40:52 GMT
See i think most people think its the same as hacking so more people equals more speed and often you will see whole teams moving from objective to objective instead doing them all at once. This should be explained in game.
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 8, 2017 21:50:10 GMT
It's not too bad as long as people spread out. When randoms Don't understand this and start stacking 3 people on one zone that's when it gts hard.
As for kett the key to doing it against them is to spread out but have 1 person walk the fiend around the map (whoever it wants to follow)
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Post by No Snakes Alive on Apr 8, 2017 22:11:04 GMT
I get that it's a team-based game but I still don't understand why they'd implement an objective that's nigh impossible to solo. Total horseshit.
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Post by missileglitcher on Apr 8, 2017 22:12:19 GMT
I had the same experience. The rest of the waves were very easy for us too and we didn't struggle, because you could evade the enemies and run circles around them and whittle them down slowly but steadily. I'll repeat once more, the problem is not with the objective. Not at all. The objective is designed very well and doesn't need to be altered. The real problem is the inability of individual players to control large groups of enemies and eliminate them rapidly. This would never have been a problem in mass effect 3 because there, you had access to so many characters and weapons that could absolutely destroy entire groups of enemies within seconds. Not the case here in Andromeda, and this is where the problem manifests. This is all about the weapons and powers doing zero damage, it's not about the objective. Nothing wrong with the objective, but it does highlight the biggest problem in this game which is the severe lack of dps. It's not so bad vs Outlaws or Remnant, but you get an Ascendant and/or Fiend in the Upload and you might as well abandon ship. It's even worse with the Ascendant since he has ranged attacks, and often sits there camping the joint. Add to that, Destroyers and Hydras are easy to dispatch with a Rocket, whereas Fiends and Ascendants laugh at your pitiful attempts. Yep that's exactly right. With the current weapons, powers and power recharge times, it takes a very, very, very long time for one person to take out a friend and a descendant, whereas in ME3 you could take out 2 banshees and 2 brutes in under a second with a missile. This is where we're at right now. It's simply impossible for one person to handle that objective when the odds are stacked against you in the way you've highlighted.
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 8, 2017 22:55:35 GMT
If you get an upload on solo, you should just give up, otherwise, use others as meat shields.
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Post by Shodan/etm125 on Apr 8, 2017 23:07:41 GMT
It's not so bad vs Outlaws or Remnant, but you get an Ascendant and/or Fiend in the Upload and you might as well abandon ship. It's even worse with the Ascendant since he has ranged attacks, and often sits there camping the joint. Add to that, Destroyers and Hydras are easy to dispatch with a Rocket, whereas Fiends and Ascendants laugh at your pitiful attempts. Yep that's exactly right. With the current weapons, powers and power recharge times, it takes a very, very, very long time for one person to take out a friend and a descendant, whereas in ME3 you could take out 2 banshees and 2 brutes in under a second with a missile. This is where we're at right now. It's simply impossible for one person to handle that objective when the odds are stacked against you in the way you've highlighted. But why are we shooting at friends and descendants?
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Post by treoir on Apr 9, 2017 0:40:16 GMT
Usually, upload seems quite possible. In fact, many people have learned to nail down all three upload sites, to get the fast finish and three gold star rating.
However, against gold kett, this becomes near suicide. You have an ascendant whose orb is a bullet sponge. You have a a bunch of destined who are invisible, take a number of seconds to take down and who make everyone else invisible. And... so on. I expect that with a well coordinated team you could deal with all of this mess - and maybe even do so fast enough to complete the uploads, but people do not have experience with this kind of thing and play it like it was a silver battle or something. Though maybe the -25% power and -25% damage thing was bugged on that apex mission making it harder than it really should have been...
Anyways... for now... I think people should say whether they are talking about gold kett upload or not and whether there were any apex modifiers on the mission (and, if so, which ones).
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Post by dankaminari on Apr 9, 2017 1:43:12 GMT
Yeah, for upload - if you are not alone on the objective, you are doing it wrong. It's all about spreading out so process on at least two points at once happens. Yeah, this. Whenever I get an upload, I look for the site that is most distant from where we are and make a beeline for it because I know pugs will go to the closest ones. And if someone else comes into my circle, I fuck off elsewhere where I can be of use uploading or trolling the Fiend. Two players in a circle is not just wasteful, it's dangerous. There's plenty of time to complete the objective so it's ok to retreat if you have more aggro than you can handle, provided that the other uploads are progressing. And if you go down, insta-gel. People bleeding out or expecting someone else to come revive them on an upload is just unacceptable. Totally agree. For what it's worth, there is a certain satisfaction on sense of accomplishment from beating this objective, especially against Kett. The other objectives are more irritants than anything else. I kind of wish they would bring back the escort objective from ME3.
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Post by brownfinger on Apr 9, 2017 7:29:19 GMT
Yeah, upload waves with Kett are outright savagery. Even spread out, it's easy to get overwhelmed. And once that sad sack gets picked off, life for everyone gets that much more difficult. I've had success uploading at two spots initially in pairs. I play a shield-spamming Salarian Operator mostly, so I find it beneficial to pair up with someone anyway.
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Post by nanotm on Apr 9, 2017 8:15:39 GMT
if one of you does everything possible not to draw agro they can effectively crouch inside one upload point whilst the rest of the team kites stuff around /tries to hold a single upload spot and then as soon as one upload point is done move to the next one, the worst part is the enemy spawn and ai pathing, if your shooting at stuff everything on the map seems to run towards the gunfire making it a lot harder to stay alive, there isn't even a reliable way to fix the problem, I was in one objective while the rest of the team was hanging out on the other one on the far side of the map blasting away, the yall died to who knows what and were blereding o nteh floor so I randomly fired into the ground and everything swarmed towards me instead of stadnging around looking dumb.
fof course the yhad actually just completed there objective and none of them bothered with gel..... I was already on the move towards the 3rd objective when it happened and made it into the circle befoerr the mobs showed up, fortuantly I was doing enough damage to kill pretty quickly, unfortunately having 30+_ mobs swarm your ass whilst the majority are invisible makes for a rather difficult time and I didn't make it ...
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Post by mograximus on Apr 9, 2017 8:18:14 GMT
I was kinda drunk the other night; pugged a gold kett and got upload wave 6. Assumed it was a lost cause.
I remember we finished it, and didn't really know how. It was a pug, but... suddenly, it was over. Upload complete.
I'd say it was my most memorable accomplishment in this game so far, but... I hardly remember it. o_o
So, my advice:
1) Get drunk 2) Play whatever kit I played (?) 3) ???? 4) Profit!
See how easy it is?
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Post by Transcended One on Apr 9, 2017 8:55:18 GMT
Last night... I was really struggling to get that gold Apex mission done Kett on Magma, with weakened team... Upload was wave 3, but still hard with all those Kett ganging up in the upload zones. Finally had the luck to have some 10K Apex player in the team, playing a human male adept in pink, and it suddenly became much easier... Like the drunk guy said above, I don't know how but the match was successfully over in the end...
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Post by operatorm1 on Apr 9, 2017 13:46:50 GMT
The reason why I play huntress so damn much.
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Post by Transcended One on Apr 9, 2017 15:19:10 GMT
The reason why I play huntress so damn much. Yeah those Stealth Fields sure come in handy! Well at least when it works, and not 'not works because of some lag'-shit.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 9, 2017 15:32:46 GMT
It doesn't matter how many people are inside an Upload circle. Progress is the same. So it's beneficial to have one reliable person Uploading while the others scatter around to draw enemies away. If you have multiple reliable people, they can do this from the other Upload areas. wow I never knew that. Now I am gonna go separate ways.
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Post by Darks1te on Apr 9, 2017 18:19:00 GMT
Gold ketts wave 6 upload on magma. It was a pleasure last night.
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Post by operatorm1 on Apr 9, 2017 18:22:07 GMT
The reason why I play huntress so damn much. Yeah those Stealth Fields sure come in handy! Well at least when it works, and not 'not works because of some lag'-shit. It always works. It's just a visual glitch when it looks like it doesn't.
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