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Post by treoir on Apr 9, 2017 23:07:28 GMT
Oh, please... My P.A.W. easily has 85% of the DPS of my M-8 Avenger X. And, not only that, has over half the damage per clip and is only three times heavier. Clearly an OP weapon. Over Priced
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Apr 9, 2017 23:08:40 GMT
I love how the Destined is just standing taking it to the face as if you've got a water gun instead.
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 10, 2017 0:10:12 GMT
Mine is at IX and is still trash. My Valkyrie is at X and it is still trash. Most URs are trash.
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Post by pantherdane on Apr 10, 2017 0:30:31 GMT
big deal. there are other sustained fire weapons that will do the same dmg as that. I hope you didn't actually think I meant that an ultra rare that can't kill un unshielded enemy with 100% headshots without overheating was actually op. I think the joke went over your head. Edit: I see now that you went for the reverse sarcasm, very clever. However I'll have you know that I also used other ''great'' ultra rare guns on the avenger today like the rozerad, ushior, soned and eagle and at least they could kill things more effectively than this allthough a 5 second stun arguably is required for the ushior to kill anything. Yes even the ushior. soon BW will add the Ultra Ultra Rare Pointed Stick to the pool of great weapons. Cant wait to get mine.
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Post by joren123 on Apr 10, 2017 0:46:01 GMT
Well, maybe I am remembering wrong, but the PA in ME3 only did 20ish base but ramped up to ....88? Maybe they tried to do the same to do the PAW, but couldn't figure out how to implement the ramp up mechanic.
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Post by gamefreak3128 on Apr 10, 2017 0:51:17 GMT
In the first clip you used your strike power and your gun. The end result was you barely broke its shield, for a full clip of head shots and a power usage. So you damn well should expect it to do something. Not the case for this game.
The second clip is even more laughable. A grenade, strike and full clip of the weapon into its head basically and it lived. While you are almost dead. Such a amazing amount of weapon balance folks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 1:47:48 GMT
I just unlocked the PAW tonight and clicked on this thread in excitement and... oh
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Post by Pearl on Apr 10, 2017 2:03:36 GMT
How can anyone take a look at that gun, and think it was fit for release? Shocking shit. Why would they need to look at it? The game was extensively tested before release. Some great people tested it, truly the greatest you've ever seen, folks.
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 10, 2017 2:12:49 GMT
I just unlocked the PAW tonight and clicked on this thread in excitement and... oh oh no I'm so sorry for your loss.
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Post by sigge on Apr 10, 2017 2:13:49 GMT
How can anyone take a look at that gun, and think it was fit for release? Shocking shit. Why would they need to look at it? The game was extensively tested before release. Some great people tested it, truly the greatest you've ever seen, folks. Exactly! Going around and saying that the weapons in this game are unbalanced is FAKE NEWS!
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 10, 2017 2:21:17 GMT
I mean, the PAW has I think half the damage the Avenger has. So, if the Avenger is quite possibly top 3 worst guns in the game (and remember than 99% of the guns are shit already, so that's saying a LOT) there's not much a gun can do when it has half that damage.
I'm actually surprised the gun doesn't malfunction and kill its operator in the process, you know, to help the AI even more.
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 10, 2017 21:25:09 GMT
Wow, Ferndando Melo from Bioware on twitter actually responded to me sending him this clip. Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo 22h22 hours ago More Replying to @hoboc0mmander Will make sure the balancing team gets this - thanks for sending it over I guess tweeting at bioware people is the way to go if we want stuff looked at.
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Post by hardcoresalmon on Apr 10, 2017 21:50:10 GMT
Gun's fine. You need to rank it up to MCMXCIX dude. FYPFY. Seriously though, anybody here remember how prone to overheating the collector sniper rifle was before we realised it was bugged on full auto and had to be used like a mattock to work properly? Somebody who's got a P.A.W should go test it trigger spam style to see if Biower have been dumb enough to make the same mistake twice. The collector "sniper" rifle isn't bugged on full auto, it has an ammo consumption multiplier that increases when you hold it, which works on a charge mechanic. While messing around modding the weapon I made the charge take 9 seconds and it would only consume 1 ammo per shot. Made the gun way more effective when you held the trigger. The paw doesn't have that problem, it does 40 damage per shot and has a 37 round magazine. Which means without buffs it will only do 1480 damage per magazine. It simply just sucks balls lol
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 10, 2017 22:11:23 GMT
I have it at X now. It is still terribad.
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Post by CHRrOME on Apr 10, 2017 22:21:36 GMT
Wow, Ferndando Melo from Bioware on twitter actually responded to me sending him this clip. Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo 22h22 hours ago More Replying to @hoboc0mmander Will make sure the balancing team gets this - thanks for sending it over I guess tweeting at bioware people is the way to go if we want stuff looked at. Yeah, no wonder. They love twitter for feedback, ugh. But how are we supposed to list everything wrong with the game in 140 something characters?
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Post by TormDK on Apr 10, 2017 22:22:26 GMT
Wow, Ferndando Melo from Bioware on twitter actually responded to me sending him this clip. Fernando Melo DiscoBabaloo 22h22 hours ago More Replying to @hoboc0mmander Will make sure the balancing team gets this - thanks for sending it over I guess tweeting at bioware people is the way to go if we want stuff looked at. Yeah, no wonder. They love twitter for feedback, ugh. But how are we supposed to list everything wrong with the game in 140 something characters? Can link to a constructive feedback thread here, just have to keep the trolls at bay/outside that thread.
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Post by bjorndadwarf on Apr 10, 2017 22:22:58 GMT
You think anybody looked at it? It's more like they generated stats with a random number generator, where the starting damage was minus 50. -50 dmg? That would be the coolest gun to bring to troll your teamates as it will heal your enemies instead I think Warframe briefly had a period where you could make a gun do that. They introduced legendary mods that could have positive and negative stats, and the right stat going negative could make a gun heal enemies. I think it was negative crit damage or something.
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Post by someN7orother on Apr 10, 2017 22:29:43 GMT
Can link to a constructive feedback thread here, just have to keep the trolls at bay/outside that thread. Didn't Ninja Stalin end up committing sudoku or something after trying (and mostly failing) to keep order on BSN? To be fair, DiscoBabaloo, @ehlien and especially @tibermoon are quite active on Twitter, replying to randos. I don't get it though, how is that preferable to having everything on ye olde BSN? Especially if you are trying to get shit done, or take a break. Fernando was tweeting yesterday about the servers crapping out. I guess the cancer really did kill BSN in the end.
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Post by TormDK on Apr 10, 2017 22:51:52 GMT
Can link to a constructive feedback thread here, just have to keep the trolls at bay/outside that thread. Didn't Ninja Stalin end up committing sudoku or something after trying (and mostly failing) to keep order on BSN? To be fair, DiscoBabaloo, @ehlien and especially @tibermoon are quite active on Twitter, replying to randos. I don't get it though, how is that preferable to having everything on ye olde BSN? Especially if you are trying to get shit done, or take a break. Fernando was tweeting yesterday about the servers crapping out. I guess the cancer really did kill BSN in the end. Well, you know - it seems to me that the old BSN was a cess pool of dank meme trolling in the end, and while we have some of the more level headed people here, there's still alot of hostility to go through if you want to keep up to speed on the topics that happen every day. The technical feedback thread for instance isn't really moderated, and balance suggestions are just people's opinions based on widely differing playtimes and RNGsus luck, which partly is Bioware's responsibility for not providing enough data to begin with. I would certainly not want my every move scrutinized by people on these forums, because I'd be damned if I did, and damned if I didn't - so it's a lose/lose situation. I would however, like them to clearly state what the design goals were, like "We balanced for Bronze, and Bronze only", so that people knew. The speculation and uncertainty creates as many problems as it potentially solves.
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Post by nthjester on Apr 11, 2017 2:36:58 GMT
THey said it was the best assault rifle in the game during their live stream. This company is a joke...I new this would happen when I saw they hired the virtual rape lady.
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Post by killabkilledb on Apr 11, 2017 3:30:31 GMT
big deal. there are other sustained fire weapons that will do the same dmg as that. You even watch the 2 clips? He is obviously being sarcastic, P.A.W. is a piece of sh** and it shows can't even kill a single mook without over heating and that's with Boosters equip.both Neither one of those are mooks and they both take a lot of hurricane VI sustained fire to kill on gold (with barrel X). A lot. P.A.W. actually looks good there compared to other weapons...
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Post by treoir on Apr 11, 2017 15:26:27 GMT
So... based on ... When the P.A.W. reaches rank X, it has the highest accuracy of any assault rifle, an ok weight (18), and a damage per clip which is ok. DPS is not all that great but if you are using it to prime opponents for detonation that might not be such a big deal - especially since it reloads itself while you are using your powers. The sweeper's raw stats look better, but I am not sure if its "burst of 3" limitation makes it actually better in practice.
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Post by ReptiloidGod on Apr 11, 2017 16:45:05 GMT
I'm not sure about the PAW, used it in SP for a long time. In general I love self-regenerating weapons. I used the Collector sniper rifle on Platinum, with warp rounds its damage gets insane (I'll take a video of it somewhen). MEA currently misses warp rounds and for me also extended barrels. I am very curious about the damage output of many weapons once I use maxed barrels on them.
Same with the Collector SMG, it synergizes very well with biotics, the weapon just closes the DPS gap between cooldowns. I think the PAW can be decent for some engineers and biotics.
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 11, 2017 16:52:11 GMT
So... based on ... When the P.A.W. reaches rank X, it has the highest accuracy of any assault rifle, an ok weight (18), and a damage per clip which is ok. DPS is not all that great but if you are using it to prime opponents for detonation that might not be such a big deal - especially since it reloads itself while you are using your powers. The sweeper's raw stats look better, but I am not sure if its "burst of 3" limitation makes it actually better in practice. Did you also defend guns like the pre buff geth pulse rifle in me3? Pls sthap trolling
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 11, 2017 17:01:38 GMT
FYPFY. Seriously though, anybody here remember how prone to overheating the collector sniper rifle was before we realised it was bugged on full auto and had to be used like a mattock to work properly? Somebody who's got a P.A.W should go test it trigger spam style to see if Biower have been dumb enough to make the same mistake twice. Just tried, didn't help. My PAW is X. It is still terribad.
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