Post by megabeast37215 on Apr 9, 2017 21:32:00 GMT
I've always enjoyed the subject of weapon balance. It was one of my favorite things to discuss back in the old days of BSN. I feel I was rather objective when I would call things overpowered (Reegar, Harrier, Hurricane, Tac Cloak, etc.)
So on here, lots of people seem to feel that the Vanquisher is currently overpowered. OK.. that's fine, but I'd like to ask why that is. I don't actually believe it IS overpowered from a damage/TTK standpoint, at least not on console where we don't have pinpoint snap aiming like PC does with a mouse. If anything, the only thing that makes it overpowered is the weight. It shouldn't be a weapon that gives +100% recharge speed.. but other than that, it certainly doesn't feel like the above mentioned weapons.
If anything, calling the Vanquisher overpowered is more of an indictment of the poor performance of the rest of the pool.. including the Ultra Rares. It certainly doesn't have that 'I win' button feel that the Reegar and Harrier had in my opinion. I'd like to hear others thoughts on this.
I agree with you at 100%.I have a Vanquisher and feels good, but by no means its OP.It's one of the few weapons that feels right so it's usable on Gold.that's it.
People calling for nerfs on such an unbalanced game as ME:A sounds like a bad joke, because this game needs exactly the opposite of nerfs, massive buffs to 95% of the weapons and powers in order to become FUN once and for all
I haven't unlocked it yet so I don't know what all the fuss is about it. But I doubt it should be considered OP when it is an ultra-rare (or rare? can't remember)
I haven't unlocked it yet so I don't know what all the fuss is about it. But I doubt it should be considered OP when it is an ultra-rare (or rare? can't remember)
Post by missileglitcher on Apr 9, 2017 21:46:30 GMT
I don't understand it either. It does a small amount of damage, it's bordering on underpowered. Considering it broken is like saying the predator is overpowered. Broken would be something like saving barrier, yet I don't see anyone ever bringing that particular one up.
I think it is "OP" because it weighs to little, and for a 4 round mag it does to much damage with no recoil or side effect to balance it out. Putting the 4 shots on something is to easy and quick compared to how other SR work.
I'm not even sure why they need the Vanquisher and Valiant as they are practically the same gun.
But all said, I think the vanquisher could use a little damage nerf, and I mean little like 50-100 damage per shot. I say this NOT because it's the most dominant weapon in game, but because it's 4 shots and how quickly you can pound them off with a decent reload speed outshines the heavier weapons.
Post by megabeast37215 on Apr 9, 2017 23:15:11 GMT
When a weapon is overpowered, I can put it on any class and have dominant weapon performance. Last night I took my Vanquisher X out on my power specced level 11 Human Engineer, and it was taking 3 body shots to kill a gold Raider. How is that overpowered? How is that the Reegar or Harrier or Hurricane? If the headshot multiplier was bugged before.. then that makes sense.
I think it is "OP" because it weighs to little, and for a 4 round mag it does to much damage with no recoil or side effect to balance it out. Putting the 4 shots on something is to easy and quick compared to how other SR work.
I'm not even sure why they need the Vanquisher and Valiant as they are practically the same gun.
But all said, I think the vanquisher could use a little damage nerf, and I mean little like 50-100 damage per shot. I say this NOT because it's the most dominant weapon in game, but because it's 4 shots and how quickly you can pound them off with a decent reload speed outshines the heavier weapons.
That is way to much of a nerf, and that is not a little. A little is like 25.
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When a weapon is overpowered, I can put it on any class and have dominant weapon performance. Last night I took my Vanquisher X out on my power specced level 11 Human Engineer, and it was taking 3 body shots to kill a gold Raider. How is that overpowered? How is that the Reegar or Harrier or Hurricane? If the headshot multiplier was bugged before.. then that makes sense.
It outperforms EVERY other sniper in the game and has ZERO drawbacks. Low weight, 4 shots, medium reload time and MASSIVE damage. Compare that to the UR Black Widow, which isn't bad, at rank X has slightly better damage but only 3 shots a magazine and slower ROF or the Valiant, much less damage but fast reload and ROF and 5 shots a magazine. So the Black Widow does good damage but has a slow reload and only 3 shots, is heavy as fuck BUT is a UR. The Valiant does medium damage, but has a fast reload and ROF BUT is a UR. The Vanquisher, massive damage, good ROF, low weight, 4 shots; this sniper does everything and other than for reasons for boredom, there is no reason to take another sniper. When casters, weapon classes and everyone else are consistently using the same weapon over and over, it is safe to say there is a problem.
I think it is "OP" because it weighs to little, and for a 4 round mag it does to much damage with no recoil or side effect to balance it out. Putting the 4 shots on something is to easy and quick compared to how other SR work.
I'm not even sure why they need the Vanquisher and Valiant as they are practically the same gun.
But all said, I think the vanquisher could use a little damage nerf, and I mean little like 50-100 damage per shot. I say this NOT because it's the most dominant weapon in game, but because it's 4 shots and how quickly you can pound them off with a decent reload speed outshines the heavier weapons.
The Valiant is quite different. Much lower damage, faster ROF and reload speed and one more shot.
I think it is "OP" because it weighs to little, and for a 4 round mag it does to much damage with no recoil or side effect to balance it out. Putting the 4 shots on something is to easy and quick compared to how other SR work.
I'm not even sure why they need the Vanquisher and Valiant as they are practically the same gun.
But all said, I think the vanquisher could use a little damage nerf, and I mean little like 50-100 damage per shot. I say this NOT because it's the most dominant weapon in game, but because it's 4 shots and how quickly you can pound them off with a decent reload speed outshines the heavier weapons.
This is why we take calls for a nerf or even harder difficulty with a can of salt. The last time this happens the people calling for massive changes where literal cheaters on pc. Thankfully the Devs in ME3 balanced the Collectors out with some kits that can make it a breeze in experienced hands and doable in novice.
The thing right now is to buff the other guns so they can keep up and even out perform the vanquisher as say the black widow should be. The UR's in this game are between uncommon to rare at best in their current state. This mp isn't going to last much longer if Montreal can't get it's shit together. by the middle of the month at this rate BW can expect about a 75% (extremely conservative estimate) drop in player base. They need to adrdress alot of issues very quickly and this kind of nerf will only hasten the player base out of mp.
When a weapon is overpowered, I can put it on any class and have dominant weapon performance. Last night I took my Vanquisher X out on my power specced level 11 Human Engineer, and it was taking 3 body shots to kill a gold Raider. How is that overpowered? How is that the Reegar or Harrier or Hurricane? If the headshot multiplier was bugged before.. then that makes sense.
It outperforms EVERY other sniper in the game and has ZERO drawbacks. Low weight, 4 shots, medium reload time and MASSIVE damage. Compare that to the UR Black Widow, which isn't bad, at rank X has slightly better damage but only 3 shots a magazine and slower ROF or the Valiant, much less damage but fast reload and ROF and 5 shots a magazine. So the Black Widow does good damage but has a slow reload and only 3 shots, is heavy as fuck BUT is a UR. The Valiant does medium damage, but has a fast reload and ROF BUT is a UR. The Vanquisher, massive damage, good ROF, low weight, 4 shots; this sniper does everything and other than for reasons for boredom, there is no reason to take another sniper. When casters, weapon classes and everyone else are consistently using the same weapon over and over, it is safe to say there is a problem.
I don't disagree with the majority of what you're saying here. I could totally get behind a weight nerf. It makes sense. I don't feel that a damage nerf is in order though.. instead I feel damage buffs are needed for the Black Widow and Valiant.
I propose the following: Black Widow: 30-40% damage BUFF, with an increase of 30-40% recoil. This would make it feel like the monster boss killer it's supposed to be.
Valiant: Recoil buff to zero recoil.. like the ME3 version. ROF buff to make it able to fire one shot every .33 seconds. Double the headshot damage. Bring it back to the premier infantry slayer it was in ME3 with that silky smooth performance.. high skill ceiling and incredible potential DPS, which is extremely difficult to achieve.
This would leave the weight nerfed Vanquisher right in the middle, to fill it's own niche as the jack of all trades, master of none sniper rifle.
While we're on the subject of sniper rifle balance..
Naladen: Buff the AOE effect 100%, increase direct damage 30%, increase AOE damage 50%. AOE damage staggers normal size, unshielded, unarmored enemies. That thing needs all kinds of love.. as it's currently worse than the other three at everything.
As someone stated before. Its usable to actually kill something. Instead of needing best assault rifle mod, and best ammo mod you have then empty a entire clip into a trash mob and have it laugh at you because you are using a AR at rank X and it didn't die. Hell probably didnt even remove half its health knowing this game currently.
Bioware needs to take a hard look at all these weapons when on gold instead of bronze setting. Almost all weapons work on bronze but very few on gold. Like 5 weapons out of all of the usable on gold and that's just depressing. Now the most depressing thing is even on bronze some weapons are still complete trash.
It's a good weapon for sure, but it only feels op when you compare it to all the other weapons, which are underpowered.
Ignoring every other weapon in the game, it actually feels about right. It's not that this weapon is op - it's just almost everything else is a bit naff.
When a weapon is overpowered, I can put it on any class and have dominant weapon performance. Last night I took my Vanquisher X out on my power specced level 11 Human Engineer, and it was taking 3 body shots to kill a gold Raider. How is that overpowered? How is that the Reegar or Harrier or Hurricane? If the headshot multiplier was bugged before.. then that makes sense.
It outperforms EVERY other sniper in the game and has ZERO drawbacks. Low weight, 4 shots, medium reload time and MASSIVE damage. Compare that to the UR Black Widow, which isn't bad, at rank X has slightly better damage but only 3 shots a magazine and slower ROF or the Valiant, much less damage but fast reload and ROF and 5 shots a magazine. So the Black Widow does good damage but has a slow reload and only 3 shots, is heavy as fuck BUT is a UR. The Valiant does medium damage, but has a fast reload and ROF BUT is a UR. The Vanquisher, massive damage, good ROF, low weight, 4 shots; this sniper does everything and other than for reasons for boredom, there is no reason to take another sniper. When casters, weapon classes and everyone else are consistently using the same weapon over and over, it is safe to say there is a problem.
Basically this.
The only real reason some people find it unreasonable and 'OP' in a co-op game is that its performance outshines other UR sniper rifles and makes them not very UR after all while being a rare weapon itself. Imagine the Vanquisher joining the UR ranks and I bet 90% of the complaints you see here will disappear straight away.
If the weak point detection isn't so terrible off-host right now I believe you'll see the one-shot trick Widow a lot more.
Probably because it outclasses the ultra rare snipers, there is little reason to take a black widow over it. Or a valiant but that gun needs a recoil reduction. On pc it looks a bit op, on console sniping is pretty wonky in this game so I think it's balanced on consoles.
I feel like the vanquisher should probably just have 3 in the magazine and then it would be fine. BW would hit slightly harder and shoot a bit slower. It doesn't really make sense to me that it shoots faster than bw, does close to the same damage and also has an extra shot.
