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Post by treoir on Apr 10, 2017 4:06:48 GMT
When a weapon is overpowered, I can put it on any class and have dominant weapon performance. Last night I took my Vanquisher X out on my power specced level 11 Human Engineer, and it was taking 3 body shots to kill a gold Raider. How is that overpowered? How is that the Reegar or Harrier or Hurricane? If the headshot multiplier was bugged before.. then that makes sense. It outperforms EVERY other sniper in the game and has ZERO drawbacks. Low weight, 4 shots, medium reload time and MASSIVE damage. Compare that to the UR Black Widow, which isn't bad, at rank X has slightly better damage but only 3 shots a magazine and slower ROF or the Valiant, much less damage but fast reload and ROF and 5 shots a magazine. So the Black Widow does good damage but has a slow reload and only 3 shots, is heavy as fuck BUT is a UR. The Valiant does medium damage, but has a fast reload and ROF BUT is a UR. The Vanquisher, massive damage, good ROF, low weight, 4 shots; this sniper does everything and other than for reasons for boredom, there is no reason to take another sniper. When casters, weapon classes and everyone else are consistently using the same weapon over and over, it is safe to say there is a problem. You are out of date, since they changed it in patch 1.05 My Ishray, Incisor and Widow all do better burst damage than my Vanquisher. The advantage of my Vanquisher over them is that I do not have to reload so often (but my Ishray feels like it reloads faster, I think), and my Vanquisher is lighter.
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Post by acicm2 on Apr 10, 2017 4:09:29 GMT
another nerf the vanquisher thread...
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Post by vanguard4 on Apr 10, 2017 5:54:22 GMT
I've always enjoyed the subject of weapon balance. It was one of my favorite things to discuss back in the old days of BSN. I feel I was rather objective when I would call things overpowered (Reegar, Harrier, Hurricane, Tac Cloak, etc.) So on here, lots of people seem to feel that the Vanquisher is currently overpowered. OK.. that's fine, but I'd like to ask why that is. I don't actually believe it IS overpowered from a damage/TTK standpoint, at least not on console where we don't have pinpoint snap aiming like PC does with a mouse. If anything, the only thing that makes it overpowered is the weight. It shouldn't be a weapon that gives +100% recharge speed.. but other than that, it certainly doesn't feel like the above mentioned weapons. If anything, calling the Vanquisher overpowered is more of an indictment of the poor performance of the rest of the pool.. including the Ultra Rares. It certainly doesn't have that 'I win' button feel that the Reegar and Harrier had in my opinion. I'd like to hear others thoughts on this. Thanks in advance. 1) The Vanquisher is broken if you compare it to other weapons, because other weapons are way too weak. 2) The Vanquisher wouldn´t be broken if other weapons were better. 3) Overall the game would be even easier ( Kett being a notable exception ) if power and weapons were in line with the Vanquisher. 4) Playing the Vanquisher off-host compared to being host is a difference of roughly 8000 points, because off host registering weak spot hits is bugged. Can´t judge a weapon currently off host.
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Post by wizeman305 on Apr 10, 2017 6:17:55 GMT
I don't think its completely overpowered but it just leaves no other options up for consideration cause it does everything so well. Light, fast, and powerful that's why its everywhere. Honestly I think the Raptor is the best balanced gun in this game, decent damage ok weight, and decent damage to clip size and ROF ratio, if they could build their guns starting there in terms of quality and performance we would see alot more diversity in what people are using.
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Post by SentinelBorg on Apr 10, 2017 8:33:24 GMT
But the Vanquisher has a major drawback. It can't shoot through stuff! That is why I prefer the Black Widow, because the ability to hit enemies behind cover, hit multiple of them in a row or just shoot through your own allies (melees especially) easily outweighs the 1 shot less on a Human Infiltrator.
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Post by penguinfetish on Apr 10, 2017 9:13:01 GMT
Because they are idiots. Myself and TormDK were using the Valiant, raptor and Black Widow and were outscoring our Vanquisher using teammates by 5k points or more in almost every gold game we played last night.
Its better than everything else in its class statistically but without the 3x headshot modifier, its not even slightly overpowered anymore.
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Post by kpeter on Apr 10, 2017 10:20:32 GMT
Don't even forget with +25% clip size evos the Vanquisher has a 5 shot clip instead of 4 (for example with infiltrators). With turbocharge it can be made to 9 shots...
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Post by Leland Gaunt on Apr 10, 2017 12:42:23 GMT
I don't think it's OP/broken. It's one of the few weapons that actually does what they should do: kill stuff by shooting it, not boring it to death.
The Vanquisher is not too powerful, most of the rest of the weapons is just too trashy. And I don't even particularly like sniping, so I don't use it much. But it is one of the few (the only?) weapons that is NOT broken.
So they need to unbreak the rest.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Apr 10, 2017 12:47:48 GMT
Stop crying because it'll affect your Outlaw/Zero camping.
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Post by SentinelBorg on Apr 10, 2017 12:58:02 GMT
Don't even forget with +25% clip size evos the Vanquisher has a 5 shot clip instead of 4 (for example with infiltrators). With turbocharge it can be made to 9 shots... Well and the Black Widow goes from 3 to 4 (+33%), so it gets more out of that Evo. ^^
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Post by kpeter on Apr 10, 2017 13:10:49 GMT
Don't even forget with +25% clip size evos the Vanquisher has a 5 shot clip instead of 4 (for example with infiltrators). With turbocharge it can be made to 9 shots... Well and the Black Widow goes from 3 to 4 (+33%), so it gets more out of that Evo. ^^ Which class has +33% clip size evo ?
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Post by valorofarms777 on Apr 10, 2017 13:17:07 GMT
...it's a friggin carnifex from ME3... ..grow up babies stop screaming nerfs and get with real numbers.
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Post by Tigger on Apr 10, 2017 13:25:29 GMT
Stop crying because it'll affect your Outlaw/Zero camping.
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Post by kpeter on Apr 11, 2017 7:36:09 GMT
Yesterday i outscored 3 Vanquishers with my Widow Human Soldier. I changed my mind, Vanquisher doesn't need a nerf anymore
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