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Post by dayze on Aug 30, 2016 20:06:54 GMT
So if Tamar is a vegetarian; does it stand to reason then that the cultists or at least their Reaver warriors in general were vegetarians?
Sure it's possible that she was unique in that regard, but considering the response of Eirik to change was "we would do anything to stop that".
I have to imagine becoming a vegetarian in a small community that hates change, none the less one that condones blood magic, sacrifices and is of an extreme faith seems like a good way to get yourself ostracized at the very least, sent on a suicide mission or sacrificed in some kind of blood rite.
It's also kind of an interesting disconnect there it's like wait......your warrior class is at least "semi-cannibalistic" and you don't mind killing or sacrificing humans but eating the flesh of animals is a no go for you?
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 30, 2016 21:08:44 GMT
Well, the simple answer is that Tamar doesn't eat meat because the other cultists WERE cannibals and she didn't wish to partake.
I imagine any livestock raised by the cultists went to feed their dragons, but humans are a bit too lean for slaughter. That's why the villagers hadn't disposed of the Redcliffe knights' bodies yet, and why a child would have a fingerbone for a memento.
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Post by dayze on Aug 30, 2016 23:58:38 GMT
I don't know; I mean I can certainly see them eating the bodies "after" a sacrifice but it wasn't really "that" common that they interacted with non-Havenites.
Even then; they just kind of left a lot of those knight's bodies just hanging around. You would think it wouldn't take that long for flies etc....to start getting into them.
The finger bone, from what I remember the kid found it near the temple and you weren't supposed to tell anyone because he wasn't old enough to go up there yet or some such sort of thing.
The implication there being that it wouldn't really be that common to come across human bones etc.....especially if you weren't part of the warrior class.
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 31, 2016 0:50:15 GMT
I'm not saying they ate people all the time, just the odd lowlander as a tasty treat that can't be beat. I think it needs to be emphasized that the Disciples of Andraste were completely fucking batshit. Not were they HEAVILY inbred, but they were drinking dragon blood, which messes you up even further. Practicing moral dissonance over the consumption of meat would be the least of their faults. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2016 11:31:32 GMT
I take it you discover she is vegetarian in multiplayer. Does she give a specific religious reason for abstaining from meat or was it just a personal choice? So far as I am aware the cultists in Haven didn't have any particular food taboos but in order to be a Reaver needed to drink dragon blood. It seems odd to me that someone like Tamar would be happy to drink dragon blood and then have an objection to ordinary meat. Was it simply that all the meat animals were required to feed the dragon, so there was nothing left for the villagers but vegetables?
As for the killing of humans in sacrifice, that doesn't mean you necessarily are going to eat them. If anything you think they would give the bodies to the dragons as well, unless they were worried about giving them a taste for human flesh. Still ritualistic killing does not automatically mean you resort to cannibalism.
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Post by dayze on Aug 31, 2016 16:42:52 GMT
I take it you discover she is vegetarian in multiplayer. Does she give a specific religious reason for abstaining from meat or was it just a personal choice? So far as I am aware the cultists in Haven didn't have any particular food taboos but in order to be a Reaver needed to drink dragon blood. It seems odd to me that someone like Tamar would be happy to drink dragon blood and then have an objection to ordinary meat. Was it simply that all the meat animals were required to feed the dragon, so there was nothing left for the villagers but vegetables? As for the killing of humans in sacrifice, that doesn't mean you necessarily are going to eat them. If anything you think they would give the bodies to the dragons as well, unless they were worried about giving them a taste for human flesh. Still ritualistic killing does not automatically mean you resort to cannibalism. Yeah at one point one of the other characters during multiplayer asks how people liked the ham from the other day and Tamar replies with "I don't eat meat". True it's not necessarily true that the cultists were cannibals. Just weird and creepy. And even then the kid wasn't supposed to have that finger bone and the villagers apparently aren't as let in on the information as the warriors, or at least the children aren't. Considering how many things were set up for sacrifice and the bodies I would be surprised if the villagers were totally in the dark there. One reason that the cultists or at least Reavers in particular, might not eat meat is.....could it possibly kick start their powers/abilities when they don't want them to? Basically would eating meat be kind of like starting up their ability "devour" when not in a fight putting them into a "war mode" that's uncomfortable in civilian life? That would explain why they would be non-meat eaters and go with the whole cult angle they got going on. Or the "energy" they get from animals might not be as palatable as what they can get from humans or plants. |
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Post by dayze on Aug 31, 2016 17:34:29 GMT
Thinking about diet; where did they have their herds of cows?
I mean; considering how much the dragon alone and then when it's children pop up would be eating. They would probably have had a pretty decent sized herd.
Did they keep them all in the caves? Maybe the forests of the mountains? Plains would be too open and even in the woods, that's a lot of cows to keep track of and hide from view from the general populace.
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 31, 2016 18:01:39 GMT
The villagers were aware of what occurred up in the mountain. Hell, you have to kill most of them. They likely raised the livestock just outside the village.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2016 18:32:06 GMT
When she says meat, does she just mean animals? Only I recall there was a lake there so they could always catch fish. In DAI there are goats and such wandering around Haven, so I would imagine that back when it was a village, their cattle probably wandered around the hills as well. It was a long way up in the mountains, so I should imagine the main thing they had to worry about was wild animals eating them and with a dragon flying around the place I'm thinking most other predators would have kept well clear. I should think that probably all the meat animals were needed to feed the dragon and its young, so the prohibition against meat was probably due to that; may be they even thought it would offend the dragon if they ate meat that was meant for its young.
May be they also felt that all the strength they needed came from the dragon blood. In any case you can be strong as a vegetarian but it just seems comical that Tamar would have an objection to eating meat when she's a Reaver.
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Post by dayze on Aug 31, 2016 18:39:59 GMT
The villagers were aware of what occurred up in the mountain. Hell, you have to kill most of them. They likely raised the livestock just outside the village. But that is a "lot" of cattle. Think about how much meat a dragon alone would eat. Than factor in all it's spawn eating as well. It's problem if they are trying to stay hidden from the general populace to have a herd of that size wandering around out in the open. Posted by gervaise215 minutes ago
When she says meat, does she just mean animals? Only I recall there was a lake there so they could always catch fish. In DAI there are goats and such wandering around Haven, so I would imagine that back when it was a village, their cattle probably wandered around the hills as well. It was a long way up in the mountains, so I should imagine the main thing they had to worry about was wild animals eating them and with a dragon flying around the place I'm thinking most other predators would have kept well clear. I should think that probably all the meat animals were needed to feed the dragon and its young, so the prohibition against meat was probably due to that; may be they even thought it would offend the dragon if they ate meat that was meant for its young.
May be they also felt that all the strength they needed came from the dragon blood. In any case you can be strong as a vegetarian but it just seems comical that Tamar would have an objection to eating meat when she's a Reaver.
Yeah it seemed strange to me too that Tamar could be a vegetarian. It's a reference to eating ham, so at least pig was one of them. She doesn't specify beyond "meat" for a definition either. And while it's possible she was a vegetarian alone it seems like a bad idea to mark yourself as different in a small cult like what Haven had going on. |
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