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Post by sil on Apr 13, 2017 22:46:35 GMT
He is impetuous, especially in his loyalty mission, but I don't hate him for it. In my own personal opinion, I like the guy. He's a good pal. Reminds me of a mix of vega and garrus. I like Liam, but he's no Garrus.
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Post by vallixas on Apr 13, 2017 22:48:37 GMT
Don't ever say Liam is anything like Garrus, just no bro, no.
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Post by SKAR on Apr 13, 2017 22:49:57 GMT
Don't ever say Liam is anything like Garrus, just no bro, no. I said mix. Obviously he's no Garrus. No one can equal Garrus.
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Post by cespar on Apr 13, 2017 22:52:04 GMT
Liam could become like Garrus, but I would rather Liam be in his own lane. Plus, Garrus had like three games.... Liam>Garrus both great characters, though.
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Post by SKAR on Apr 13, 2017 23:14:08 GMT
BSN? nah. Bioware screwed over jacob. They made him sort of a scumbag. Maybe bio has something against black characters.
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Post by sil on Apr 13, 2017 23:26:26 GMT
BSN? nah. Bioware screwed over jacob. They made him sort of a scumbag. Maybe bio has something against black characters. Him being a scumbag has nothing to do with race. People of any ethnicity could and have done what Jacob does to romanced femShep during ME3. It's got nothing to do with his genetics, its personality.
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Post by Hoge on Apr 13, 2017 23:29:51 GMT
BSN? nah. Bioware screwed over jacob. They made him sort of a scumbag. Maybe bio has something against black characters. Captain David Anderson would disagree. BAMF.
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Post by SKAR on Apr 13, 2017 23:36:14 GMT
BSN? nah. Bioware screwed over jacob. They made him sort of a scumbag. Maybe bio has something against black characters. Him being a scumbag has nothing to do with race. People of any ethnicity could and have done what Jacob does to romanced femShep during ME3. It's got nothing to do with his genetics, its personality. I don't actually believe that. Honestly, I'm just sayin what people been sayin. You're right. But there are weird coincidences.
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Post by sil on Apr 13, 2017 23:47:40 GMT
Honestly, I'm just sayin what people been sayin. You're right. But there are weird coincidences. I'd say its oversensitivity because we are always hearing about prejudicial problems in the news, so people are looking for issues that aren't always there. Not to say that there aren't racist prejudicial issues in the world or anything, just that people are oversensitive to spotting them. The game doesn't have it. Perhaps if all the black characters in the game series were treated negatively then there would be an issue, but Admiral Anderson is awesome and is a fan favourite character, Jacob gets a lot of unwarranted hate, and Liam isn't disliked for his ethnicity but because he comes out with some strange phrases and actions. Btw, not saying that you think it, merely commenting on the situation being discussed
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Post by brad2240 on Apr 14, 2017 0:09:02 GMT
Jacob is boring as hell. He's so bad he actually drags FemShep down when she talks to him. He's the only Bioware LI I've ended the relationship with before completing it, and to this day I still haven't finished a playthrough with him as the romance. And don't even get me started on Jacob in ME3.
Worst companion in the ME series to me, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin.
Vivienne is a haughty bitch that all my Inquisitors struggle to get along with. I can only take her in small doses. I don't completely hate her, though, and unlike Jacob I will occasionally take her on missions when I'm not required to. And she's not my least liked companion in DAI by a fair margin, thanks to the existence of Cole.
Liam I like. I think he's pretty fun and I like the role he plays on the Andromeda squad. I actually expected not to like him, I was afraid of him being Jacob 2.0, but I was pleasantly surprised. Is he the worst teammate in the game? Debatable, but I'm glad he's there.
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Post by sil on Apr 14, 2017 0:29:59 GMT
Jacob is boring as hell. He's so bad he actually drags FemShep down when she talks to him. He's the only Bioware LI I've ended the relationship with before completing it, and to this day I still haven't finished a playthrough with him as the romance. And don't even get me started on Jacob in ME3. Worst companion in the ME series to me, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. It might be that because I play maleShep that Jacob seems like a decent enough character, because there is no relationship or romance to create negative connections.
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Post by brad2240 on Apr 14, 2017 1:03:25 GMT
Jacob is boring as hell. He's so bad he actually drags FemShep down when she talks to him. He's the only Bioware LI I've ended the relationship with before completing it, and to this day I still haven't finished a playthrough with him as the romance. And don't even get me started on Jacob in ME3. Worst companion in the ME series to me, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. It might be that because I play maleShep that Jacob seems like a decent enough character, because there is no relationship or romance to create negative connections.
Possibly, but I wasn't a fan even on my first playthrough as male Shepard. He was just so...dull. And I say this as someone who thought Kaidan and Ashley were among the most interesting characters in ME1.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 14, 2017 1:14:51 GMT
Yes, some of the people here are racist, but majority of them are not. I am black, so I do get a little excited seeing black characterscreen. I love Liam and Vivienne, but Jacob cheating on Shepard made me dislike him as a character. I think Bioware are finally starting to do away with the stereotype, because Liam seemed to be written as a person first, instead of written as a black stereotype. Just grateful for black characters in general though. But I love all of the characters whether their black, blue, white, Turian, and Krogan. As long as I can play a black character, then it's good. Not saying get rid of the black companions though 😉 First of all: There is a huge difference between a racist and a bigot. We cannot be racist because we never create a system to oppress a group of people based on skin color, you may have bigotry among some but not racist.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 14, 2017 2:12:13 GMT
Yes, some of the people here are racist, but majority of them are not. I am black, so I do get a little excited seeing black characterscreen. I love Liam and Vivienne, but Jacob cheating on Shepard made me dislike him as a character. I think Bioware are finally starting to do away with the stereotype, because Liam seemed to be written as a person first, instead of written as a black stereotype. Just grateful for black characters in general though. But I love all of the characters whether their black, blue, white, Turian, and Krogan. As long as I can play a black character, then it's good. Not saying get rid of the black companions though 😉 First of all: There is a huge difference between a racist and a bigot. We cannot be racist because we never create a system to oppress a group of people based on skin color, you may have bigotry among some but not racist.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 14, 2017 2:34:08 GMT
Liam and Vivienne are excellent characters that needed more content, especially Vivi. Jacob is just meh, I just do not like how FemShep talks to him, like she wants into his pants, also the whole baby thing with the naming, was just awful...
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Post by doch on Apr 14, 2017 9:26:06 GMT
"Everybody Hates Liam" Squad montage
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 14, 2017 9:54:20 GMT
"Everybody Hates Liam" Squad montage Hmmm Aye, seems like pretty much everyone is annoyed by him, in some fashion. Understandable, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 10:45:43 GMT
Jacob's main issue was that he measured up poorly to the rest of the cast, that and his romance was awkward, to say at least.
Liam is more complicated but generally comes down to his lack of proffesionalism and the little value he adds to pathfinder team, at times I was wondering whether some of the nondescripts from the prologue would make better squadmates.
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Post by hammerstorm on Apr 14, 2017 11:23:49 GMT
OP: I must say, 10 pages (and only one post in the thread), wow. You have earned this one: Be proud. And BSN, 10 pages and the thread haven't descended in to chaos, *sniff* I'm so proud of you. :sob:
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Post by Chardonney on Apr 14, 2017 12:09:21 GMT
I completely disliked Vivienne because of her attitude and personality. Jacob's personality was bland and off-putting. "But the priiiiiize..." Liam... slightly likeable but often acts like a reckless teenager.
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Post by vallixas on Apr 14, 2017 12:51:24 GMT
Vivienne was largely just conservative. She had several points. Mages were/are dangerous. Anyway she was the best black character they ever wrote. She had morals, conflict...a very intelligent character at that and she wasn't just "there" like Liam or Jacob.
But back to Liam. I don't really see him as Garrus-like in any way. The closest character to be like Garrus has been Varric in Inquisition. Vetra is closer to Garrus-like than Liam.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 14, 2017 13:00:43 GMT
Has nothing to do with race, Jacob and Liam are just the continuation of the Carth/Kaiden characters, which were white, but hey are the same bioware generic male human annoying character.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Apr 14, 2017 13:15:23 GMT
People love to hate Vivienne. She's fine. The problem with Liam and Jacob is that they're written by a certain person who has trouble writing dialogue that makes sense, especially when it comes to black men. I feel like my IQ drops every time I talk to Liam, he is that awful. The same guy who wrote Carver, Sera, and contributed to Grunt, yes? That is not a good track record.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 14, 2017 13:45:41 GMT
And BSN, 10 pages and the thread haven't descended in to chaos, *sniff* I'm so proud of you. :sob: There in lies the true beauty of the OP.
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Post by adelthorne on Apr 14, 2017 15:54:22 GMT
I've noticed that black characters in Bioware games (Jacob, Liam, Vivienne) are usually among the most disliked on BSN (new and old). These characters are all very different so I'm curious why people hate all three of them. Now please don't get knee-jerk defensive, I'm not accusing anyone of being racist but I do want everyone to examine their own internal biases. If Boware is Biased against any its hetro females only love choice in their last couple of games, is coloured men or aliens.
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