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Post by decafhigh on Apr 15, 2017 22:00:57 GMT
BSN? nah. Bioware screwed over jacob. They made him sort of a scumbag. Maybe bio has something against black characters. My thoughts exactly. Of all the game developers out there BW are the ones we are going to level that charge against? Really now?
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Post by trinity0 on Apr 15, 2017 22:03:48 GMT
Samatha Traynor from ME3 was also black and she was perfectly written and one of the best Charackters from ME3
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 15, 2017 22:04:22 GMT
Of all the game developers out there BW are the ones we are going to level that charge against? Really now? Hey. They did put stereotypes and tropes with the black characters. It's time to call them out
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 15, 2017 22:06:23 GMT
Samatha Traynor from ME3 was also black and she was perfectly written and one of the best Charackters from ME3 Technically she looks Indian.
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Post by hammerstorm on Apr 15, 2017 22:20:26 GMT
Well, we did make it to 10 pages.... That is something.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 15, 2017 22:30:20 GMT
Vivienne is a bitch who doesn't seem too or is unable to understand that world has changed and she wants to go back to failed status quo that nearly destroyed the world. I recruit Vivienne because the way I play the game I feel that the Inquisition can use her political connections early on after that I only talk to her when I have to.
Liam is a hyperactive idiot that annoys the hell out of me to the point where I want to throw him off the ship or at the very least punch him for his stupidity. I use Liam because I have to in the prologue in ME:A after that I try to limit my interaction with as much as possible, he just annoys the hell out of me.
Jacob is just a solider, I use when I have to but as a biotic he's nowhere near as powerful as say Miranda, Jack, or Samara are and his loyalty quest is all kinds of messed up when you really think about it.
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Post by faelandaea on Apr 15, 2017 22:36:46 GMT
Well, we did make it to 10 pages.... That is something. Doesn't count when it's the same handful of people chatting back and forth.
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Post by Eterna on Apr 15, 2017 22:40:48 GMT
I strongly dislike both Liam and Jacob. Vivienne I took on every mission during my playthrough, love that bitch.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 15, 2017 22:40:55 GMT
To answer the OP's question yes BioWare biased black characters in their games. Take a look @ Jacob for example: He's a black man who's been abandoned by his father, he's hypersexualized because of his outfit, and he plays games to avoid a serious relationship. But Isabella is the worst racial stereotype of all because they made her not only a hypersexual who would sleep with anybody but disgusting for being said BioWare has malicious intent when it comes to us. And what do Anderson, Vivienne, and Jacob have one thing in common? They are a category if a interracial relationship trope, it's like they don't want a black woman and a man to have another black person as their companion. I kinda thought it was weird Vivi wasn't available as a romance. They've yet to have a convincing black woman as a romance. Isabella SO does not count as a black woman. lol. At best she's a tan white girl with black hair. The hyping of her nonwhite ethnicity is sad. If you have to hype it up - it's probably WHITE. Izzy is obviously a mediterranean caucasoid, I was always dumbfounded by others refering to her as "black".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 22:51:53 GMT
I kinda thought it was weird Vivi wasn't available as a romance. They've yet to have a convincing black woman as a romance. Isabella SO does not count as a black woman. lol. At best she's a tan white girl with black hair. The hyping of her nonwhite ethnicity is sad. If you have to hype it up - it's probably WHITE. Izzy is obviously a mediterranean caucasoid, I was always dumbfounded by others refering to her as "black". Exactly. Such as myself - my family is Sicilian and Greek. We put "white" on legal forms. We look like "not blond" white people with dark eyes. Some of us are more olive skinned than a few others in the family, sure. But we've never claimed to be anything but white. It's actually kinda irritating that to be called "white", people think you have to look Norwegian. Ha. I don't think anyone has had the audacity to call me black. That's insulting to black people in of itself. "Well, this brown haired European-looking woman must be black. She tans easily too. Must be black." We all have genetic overlap, but yeah. Izzy is not a black woman. Vivi definitely is. But Izzy looks like one of my cousins.
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Post by sil on Apr 15, 2017 23:01:42 GMT
Izzy is obviously a mediterranean caucasoid, I was always dumbfounded by others refering to her as "black". Ah, but here is the question, are bsn posters being racist when they refer to her as a different ethnicity than the one she is? Ultimately, this is a silly thread. Neither Bioware nor BSN are racist. Jacob is somewhat dull, but that doesn't make his inclusion racist, it just means he has a dull persona. I actually like the character, if he was in ME1 he'd have been a lot better received, but he first appeared in a game featuring a genetically modified woman, insanely powerful biotics, reptilian assassins, perfect krogan specimens and a geth! No wonder he didn't stand out. Also, a lot of bsn posters seem to play femShep, so their view of him is skewed to the romance where I play maleShep where he is just a guy on the ship. Sure, he's dull, doesn't mean he isn't likeable. He has daddy issues, sure... but so you realise, that's not just for black people. That is something that is worldwide, all cultural groups have shit dads in their midst. Oh, and Jacob's dad wasn't even the worst of the lot (though he was pretty horrendous, its a horrible mission), Miranda's dad was worse by far; he genetically engineered children discarding those that didn't match up, kidnapped his own daughter, lured thousands to a camp to be tortured, experimented on and turned into husks. Was giving his family Australian accents racist against Australians? Liam is... confusing. He was poorly written, as he seems almost like two separate characters. Does that make it racist? No. It means they wrote him poorly, he seemed to be unbelievable as a former crisis response operative when he can't handle a crisis. When he is being chilled out, he's fine, but he seems to drift from being chilled, to snide, to bitchy, to panicky. They just handled the character badly, I expect if there is a sequel, he'll be a side character but will probably turn out the better for it. Anderson was a brilliant character, well written, well acted. He wasn't perfect, he was deeply flawed but gracious enough to accept when he was wrong. He gets to be Councillor but admits his inexperience with it and his struggles to deal politically with the other councillors. Bioware doesn't get praised for what a great character he was. In fact, they never seem to get praised by people, at least I never seem to see it. At the moment, through the media and through overuse of the internet, we are ingrained to look for controversy. The next big thing to get up in arms about, but its just silly. The original trilogy had some truly outstanding characters, and it doesn't really matter whether they are genetically engineered, former corsairs, former spectre candidates, or kleptomaniacs. In fact, ethnicity doesn't come into it at all, and shouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 0:06:48 GMT
Isn't she primarily white with some latino in her? Her original writer said she's of Latin descent, but given that her last name is Williams she's presumably of mixed ancestry. Williams can be either English, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish but isn't a Spanish or Portuguese name. Nothing was ever said about percentages, though I'd argue assuming she's primarily non-Latin is probably wrong. She looks Latin and her writer said she's Latin, so I think it was intended to be a major part of her background.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 0:10:51 GMT
Samatha Traynor from ME3 was also black and she was perfectly written and one of the best Charackters from ME3 Back in 2012 someone asked Patrick Weekes what Traynor's background was on Twitter, and he responded that she was British-Indian.
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Post by leadintea on Apr 16, 2017 0:25:04 GMT
Isn't she primarily white with some latino in her? Her original writer said she's of Latin descent, but given that her last name is Williams she's presumably of mixed ancestry. Williams can be either English, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish but isn't a Spanish or Portuguese name. Nothing was ever said about percentages, though I'd argue assuming she's primarily non-Latin is probably wrong. She looks Latin and her writer said she's Latin, so I think it was intended to be a major part of her background. Well, regardless of her race, she's still the only human PoC LI that males can romance, while every human male LI is a PoC. Not saying it's bad or anything, but it is somewhat odd, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 0:37:02 GMT
Her original writer said she's of Latin descent, but given that her last name is Williams she's presumably of mixed ancestry. Williams can be either English, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish but isn't a Spanish or Portuguese name. Nothing was ever said about percentages, though I'd argue assuming she's primarily non-Latin is probably wrong. She looks Latin and her writer said she's Latin, so I think it was intended to be a major part of her background. Well, regardless of her race, she's still the only human PoC LI that males can romance, while every human male LI is a PoC. Not saying it's bad or anything, but it is somewhat odd, IMO. Bioware should mix it up a bit and have the female human LI in either DA4 or ME5 be something other than white. It is true that they've all been of European or partially European (or their DA fantasy equivalent) so far.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 16, 2017 0:40:48 GMT
We need a hot sista or an azn for a waifu in the next game.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 16, 2017 0:54:15 GMT
I think going after BW in this case is a tad extreme. Its one thing to accuse the BSN of being biased but to call BW out on it? They just released an entire game where the only white people in it at all are Cora and the default Ryders. You can't even make a white Caucasian Sara in the CC. If anything BW is more biased against white people.
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Post by doch on Apr 16, 2017 1:52:08 GMT
Of all the game developers out there BW are the ones we are going to level that charge against? Really now? Hey. They did put stereotypes and tropes with the black characters. It's time to call them out In a nutshell, I think in some ways they stereotype in an attempt to inject diversity-acceptance. These little to no experience life-livers called BW writers, do not understand how the human mind and heart works, and their classroom laboratory experiments backfire in their faces.
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Post by doch on Apr 16, 2017 1:53:12 GMT
I'm sure whoever created and wrote Anderson is looong gone.
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Post by House Targaryen on Apr 16, 2017 2:19:17 GMT
Vivienne is a strong willed woman who doesn't take shit from any one. What does skin color have to do with it? Plenty of other skin colored humans and aliens out there with that sort of personality. Can't say anything about Liam because I haven't taken him out with me. After the first part of the game I found him useless in a fight. When I take a party out, I want capable people who can take hits and dish them out. Don't give a rats ass what color they are or if they're aliens.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 16, 2017 6:02:15 GMT
I'm also disappointed that Vivienne is not a love interest and I would love my Inquisitor to romance someone is one of my own. I'm pretty tired of dating outside that doesn't look like me in the game and never have the opportunity to chance to romance a black woman in the game ever.
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Post by bacon4breakfast on Apr 16, 2017 6:56:06 GMT
Only asians are represented in the emojis on this site, unbelievably racist.
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Post by nickles on Apr 16, 2017 7:07:22 GMT
Jacob is at best forgettable, at his worst a man who cheated on Shep and knocked up another woman. Liam is a man who gets a lot of flack for his meltdown during Habitat-7, but overall he's just a lame character. Vivienne has those who love her, and those who hate her; but it's less to do with her skin color and more to do with the fact that she's a strongly pro-Circle character in a game that hammers you over the head with how "bad and evil the circle is!"
I liked Vivienne. Jacob and Liam were just kind of... boring. Annoying, actually, in the case of the latter. But as someone has already pointed out, Anderson is a fan favorite.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 16, 2017 9:05:21 GMT
For what it's worth I think Vivienne is a very well written character for how she's intended. I just don't find her at all likable. She's elitist, pro-establishment, pro-status quo individual who shits on every aspect of the setting that I like and promotes all the ones I despise.
I don't actually have anything against Jacob. I just find him relatively boring when compared to the stand out ensemble cast of ME2. I think he would have been fine in ME1; I don't think he's any more boring than Kaidan or Ashley were.
Liam I find annoying, but only because he stubbornly refuses to learn from his mistakes. He gives a casual, nonchalant acknowledgement when he screws up, trying to brush it off like it's no big deal, but when he's really called on it he doubles down in insisting that his poorly thought out, nigh on suicidal plan to fix the serious fuckup he created was worth it because it ultimately worked out for the best because Ryder gets to be seen doing a good thing. I think there are really interesting elements to Liam's character on paper but in execution he just comes off as grating. And, fairly or unfairly, I think a large part of that is due to his VA; I can understand what he's saying, slang, accent, and idioms and all, but I'm a fan of Guy Ritchie movies. The bigger issue in my mind is that he just delivers his lines flat and forced, and in my opinion turns out the worst performance out of the main cast.
So, yeah, going back to my original post; I'm writing it off as an unfortunate coincidence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 9:12:06 GMT
Interesting question. From my perspective I'm not a fan of Jacob or Liam, but the colour of their skin has nothing to do with it. I just don't like how they're written or their attitudes. I LOVE Vivienne, she's fabulous dah-ling and a great addition to Inquisition. Anderson is wonderful of course, and so is Ser Barris if you go with the Templars to close the breach. So for me their ethnicity is neither here not there, it's their character and personality that I'm bothered about. I admit tho, I did facepalm when Jacob couldn't keep it in his pants for 6 months and got a girl pregnant. Big stereotype BioWare, doesn't help.
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