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Post by jackal0021 on Apr 16, 2017 9:40:21 GMT
Does it bother anyone that the main game had Keepers, Elecor, Hanar, Volus, Turtians, Asari, Human, Krogan, Salarian, Geth, and Quarians and then this game with a much higher budget in a brand new galaxy has less species overall? I mean hell, we can even throw in Thrasher maws and varran for the first one. This game only seems to have the Australians, Kett, and the Rem then the same copy and pasted animals that weren't explained why they are on just about every planet. At least varren were explained and so were the maws in the first one.... we basically aren't limited to just ONE side of the new galaxy like the first game was and then shown the other side of the milky way in the 2nd game then all over in the 3rd.... we have access to all of this new galaxy and you're telling me this is all there is?
I just feel like this was a stupidly limited game in the amount of species we got. Hell we don't even have all of the original races in this game either.... you can't tell me that the Volus, Elecor, Hanar AND Quarians all on one damn ark but the Human one had a mix of everything and the Nexus too for that matter which had a mix of all the races but those. I don't know this just bothers me to the core and I can't seem to find a thread on it with the search feature and was wondering what everyones thoughts were.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 16, 2017 9:45:55 GMT
Kett ate them all
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Post by jackal0021 on Apr 16, 2017 9:48:06 GMT
I haven't beaten the game yet but if thats true that doesnt make any sense either... Kett strongly only look like the anggaran and no other strange species. Hell the first time I saw the kett I instantly was like that looks like those weird purple people I saw in photos of before launch. |
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 16, 2017 9:48:48 GMT
This game only seems to have the Australians, Kett, and the Rem then the same copy and pasted animals that weren't explained why they are on just about every planet. The Australians?  |
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Post by jackal0021 on Apr 16, 2017 9:49:40 GMT
This game only seems to have the Australians, Kett, and the Rem then the same copy and pasted animals that weren't explained why they are on just about every planet. The Australians? anggarans, that was a joke. |
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Post by andromedamnit on Apr 16, 2017 10:01:43 GMT
Does it bother anyone that the main game had Keepers, Elecor, Hanar, Volus, Turtians, Asari, Human, Krogan, Salarian, Geth, and Quarians and then this game with a much higher budget in a brand new galaxy has less species overall? I mean hell, we can even throw in Thrasher maws and varran for the first one. This game only seems to have the Australians, Kett, and the Rem then the same copy and pasted animals that weren't explained why they are on just about every planet. At least varren were explained and so were the maws in the first one.... we basically aren't limited to just ONE side of the new galaxy like the first game was and then shown the other side of the milky way in the 2nd game then all over in the 3rd.... we have access to all of this new galaxy and you're telling me this is all there is? I just feel like this was a stupidly limited game in the amount of species we got. Hell we don't even have all of the original races in this game either.... you can't tell me that the Volus, Elecor, Hanar AND Quarians all on one damn ark but the Human one had a mix of everything and the Nexus too for that matter which had a mix of all the races but those. I don't know this just bothers me to the core and I can't seem to find a thread on it with the search feature and was wondering what everyones thoughts were. Did you actually finish the game ? A lot of this is explained in the main plot. Plus there is no relay network so how are all the sentient species in andromeda meant to know about each other and travel to each other? If we'd had a dozen new species that would have been pretty unrealistic tbh. Having said that, I really missed the Volus and Elcor around, and I feel like the main priority species for finding a new home planet should have been Quarians and Drell so it's a shame they got held up. Bringing along Hanar seems a little dumb unless they could have guaranteed an ocean planet. |
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Post by Soulforge on Apr 16, 2017 10:03:41 GMT
Does it bother anyone that the main game had Keepers, Elecor, Hanar, Volus, Turtians, Asari, Human, Krogan, Salarian, Geth, and Quarians and then this game with a much higher budget in a brand new galaxy has less species overall? I mean hell, we can even throw in Thrasher maws and varran for the first one. This game only seems to have the Australians, Kett, and the Rem then the same copy and pasted animals that weren't explained why they are on just about every planet. At least varren were explained and so were the maws in the first one.... we basically aren't limited to just ONE side of the new galaxy like the first game was and then shown the other side of the milky way in the 2nd game then all over in the 3rd.... we have access to all of this new galaxy and you're telling me this is all there is? I just feel like this was a stupidly limited game in the amount of species we got. Hell we don't even have all of the original races in this game either.... you can't tell me that the Volus, Elecor, Hanar AND Quarians all on one damn ark but the Human one had a mix of everything and the Nexus too for that matter which had a mix of all the races but those. I don't know this just bothers me to the core and I can't seem to find a thread on it with the search feature and was wondering what everyones thoughts were. We only see 1 cluster in Andromeda, Heleus. By comparison, we see 17 in ME1. And that's only including the ones we can travel to in ME1, not the ones that contain all those species' homeworlds. |
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Post by kino on Apr 16, 2017 10:46:15 GMT
Comparing one local star cluster to an entire galaxy...seems like you answered your own question there.
As for the other Milky Way species in Andromeda, play the game to the end. Your answers there.
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Post by traks on Apr 16, 2017 10:50:55 GMT
No mass relays, just one cluster and a species that does assimilate other species. So, no, doesn't bother me because it is reasonable.
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Post by armass81 on Apr 16, 2017 11:46:12 GMT
Yeah its a shame the game doesnt introduce more new species, i didnt think we even had enough of them in the original galaxy tbh.
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 16, 2017 12:01:09 GMT
I find the explanation that we see few new races in Helius because it's just one cluster to be extremely lacking.
We shouldn't apply any sort of outside logic, let alone an unknown logic, to the Mass Effect universe. Just see the Arks and the Nexus, they make no sense economically, technologically and logistically. Yet they exist because the writers wanted to. In the same line of reasoning, the new game could have 10 new alien races if they wanted and they could justify any way they wanted. For example: No Reapers mean more raced developed.
But Bioware chose not to. And there is no need to try to find in-game explanation for something that has nothing to do with logic and was decided on a writing room. They needed to bring back several races from the OT and so decided they couldn't spend much resources in new races. I don't see it as a problem per se, but I found the Angara to be boring and uninspired, and so did the Keth. If it's only going to be two races, at least makem them memorable. The wildlife is also a major disappointment. Instead of something resembling an ecosystem all we see in enemies to be killed that evaporate after dying.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 16, 2017 12:16:18 GMT
In Mass Effect 1 they had multiple races that didn't move either. With all the issues around facial animations your complaint makes it seem like you would have wanted that situation to be worse for the amount of time and additional animations for more races could have easily made the faces even worse in the game. I guess quantity means more then quality in a post like this.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Apr 16, 2017 13:00:00 GMT
For one, it's not true we have access to the whole galaxy in MEA. We are limited to one single cluster. Think about the start clusters in the OT. They generally had the home planet of one major species. So this is very much like that. We are in the home cluster of one species, and with no Relays you are limited to one cluster.
But you said we only have three species: Angara, Remnant, and Kett. But that's not true. We also have humans, Turians, Asari Salarians, and Krogan. So that's actually 8 species. Throw in the Adhi and all the other animals and that's over ten species. Plus a pyjack if you preordered or got a deluxe copy. So that's some pretty good variation.
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Post by Serza on Apr 16, 2017 13:14:22 GMT
Species count in Andromeda: One cluster.
Species count in Trilogy: One galaxy.
I wonder which one's bigger.
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Post by malgus on Apr 16, 2017 13:51:30 GMT
"higher budget"? 40 million is a very basic budget at this moment for a triple a game, even tomb raider 2013 was way more expansive than that. GTA 5 costed 270 million dollars to make (it includes the marketing).
By the way do you have actual number on the budget of the first game to tell me that andromeda costed more to make? and do you take into account inflation for the last 10 years when you compare the budget? Do you take into acccount the fact that mass effect andromeda had to make a multiplayer mode, so its more content that is certainly not free to create? because that is something the first mass effect did not had to do.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 16, 2017 13:56:18 GMT
C'mon. How you gonna add keepers to the list? They're reaper devices.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 16, 2017 14:05:29 GMT
No. It doesn't bother me at all.
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Post by tjmitchem on Apr 16, 2017 14:10:22 GMT
Does it bother anyone that the main game had Keepers, Elecor, Hanar, Volus, Turtians, Asari, Human, Krogan, Salarian, Geth, and Quarians and then this game with a much higher budget in a brand new galaxy has less species overall? No. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 16, 2017 14:56:01 GMT
Species count in Andromeda: One cluster. Species count in Trilogy: One galaxy. I wonder which one's bigger. Too few people even amongst the critics ever picked up on the differentiation of Systems vs clusters vs galaxies in these games. A lot of people played this game assuming the Heleus cluster is most of the galaxy. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 14:59:43 GMT
MEA wasn't just for old fans, it was for newcomers, so this game focused on reintroducing the MW races and a few Andromeda ones. Since it's planned to be a saga, I expect we'll see a lot more in future games.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 15:03:29 GMT
I did not mind how they did things, in fact, I prefer the better attention to detail on Angara (if not the prevalence of British accents). Most of the races in the original trilogy did not get any development, and wer no more than a few quorks and a cosmetic overlay. Frankly, for me more of a problem was that it was Krogans again, Asari again... I would have been happier with just four races, but better explored, aka Turians, Salarians, Angara and humans, because imo despite Garrus and Mordin we never really got much on them as species, and by now Krogans and Asari make me wanna... not hear all about their procreation again.
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Post by derrame on Apr 16, 2017 15:10:02 GMT
yes, it's disappointing the ark carrying drell, elcor, hanar, quarians it's just a excuse, in the nexus there are already krogan, salarian, turian, humans, beofre those arks arrive |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 16, 2017 15:20:02 GMT
Doesn't matter that there's only 2 new species in Andromeda because I like Joel MacMillan and co's indie game art.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 16, 2017 16:37:05 GMT
We only had access to one cluster and no evidence of Andromeda having anything like a mass relay network to link all of it's clusters. Standard ftl can only get you so far
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