Time for Bioware to leave EA.

Is anyone here saying DAI is the best Bioware game? Or even that MEA should be more like DAI? 

I suppose there always someone who says something.

But trying to generalize this attitude is gross mistake. Especially that MEA changed how people viewed Inquisition. 

Generalizing is called generalizing for a reason. Most of the time it is pretty accurate. People are always going to say the last one is better. Every video game with a sequel or prequel people say it.

Because it's a correct statement! ME2 is Bioware best game!

Also, I wonder who, besides you, thought this statamente back in 2010 "were either meaningless hyperbole or arrant nonsense". I certainly didn't have that perception. 

I dislike this part. I find it to be quite... unelegant to try to put the blame on me for not thinking Andromeda to be a great game. I did not set my expectations too high, my expectations were quite reasonable. I expect a game that was as good as the trilogy, wouldn't you say that's reasonable? What I got is a game that was much worse than that, it's not bad, I'd say Andromeda is an ok game, but it's not as great as ME1 or ME3, let alone ME2.

Of course, in no shape or form am I saying to you that you (or anyone else) that the game is bad, or that you shouldn't enjoy it. Even if english is a barbaric language, it's good enough produce many different meanings, an infinite amount even. And I believe you will agree with me thay saying "I believe Andromeda is an ok game", and saying "I believe you should believe Andromda is an ok game" are not the same thing.

Of course, we can expose our views and try to explain why we think the way we do. But if one side try to impose his view or/and believe the other side is trying to decide for him if he should or shouldn't enjoy something than there won't be a discussion, but something else that doesn't aggregate anything. And, alas, I believe the latter is much more common than the former. 

That's the problem when it comes to judging games of this nature. I think it did better then the trilogy because of the combat and game play, so saying it worse is wrong in my opinion on it.  I wasn't trying to put the blame on you per say, but doing research before hand on what they were doing might have shown you that maybe this new direction isn't for you. I also thought ME2 was a shit storm of a game in a lot of areas. No where near the best.

I understand that. I am not saying it is a master piece either because I have experienced the bugs and CC, but I am also not saying it is a colossal train wreck like some vocal people like to spout. It does what it set out to do.

I am not trying to impose my view on you or anyone, but most of these topics brought up now go nowhere but in circles making the whole thing worthless. I would be fine if someone brought something new to the table instead of the same topics discussed a million times over.

But you're trying to explain to me why I didn't like Andromeda as much as I wanted.

If I'm understanding what you're saying, you mean that I didn't think Andromeda to be great because it was different than what I expected. You further say that if I only knew beforehand what Andromda would be about I wouldn't dislike it in the same way.

If that is in fact what you meant, that's more than a little presumptuous. For me, being different is not reason to dislike something. A game can be exactly what I expect and be bad, and the opposite is also true. Quality can be achieved in many different ways. Moreover, I followed MEA's marketing (what little there was) quite closely. I knew what to expect. The reason I dislike Andromeda have to do with many flaws I see in it, flaws that are noted by many other people and reviews. It as simple as that. 

Ok, but you should be careful doing so. There are probably people out there who dislike something because they had some form of unreal expectations. But if I had to guess, the majority of people that do not think Andromeda is as good as ME1, ME2 or ME3 think that because of other reasons. 

Well...there is the glowing pussy thread....

Me? Don't be silly. I was in there defending ME2 against charges of RPG apostasy. Well, technically, I suppose I was preaching RPG heresy myself, since I think that most CRPG conventions are either not useful for role-playing or actively harmful to it.

Not that I was personally saying that ME2 was Bio's best game. I've always placed it in the second tier, somewhat below BG2 and DA:O.

I agree somewhat that the combat and game play is better with MEA.  I'm confident that most people didn't play the trilogy for it's combat or game play, but it's story and/or character building.  Combat was never a bioware strong point.  For me, MEA fails miserably at both story and character building.  They put more focus and on combat/game play and less on story/character's and it shows.