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Post by Archangel on Apr 21, 2017 3:30:00 GMT
Suvi Anwar. As much as I HATE Bioware clubbing me over the head with their heavy handed politics, I want to give them credit for one thing I found refreshing. Making Suvi religious and even a scientist. I thought her religious beliefs were handled very well and didn't come off as heavy handed or cheesy. For the record I'm pretty much an atheist...but not the asshole internet kind. Well done.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 21, 2017 3:32:04 GMT
Heavy hand Social Justice? Didn't really see much of that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 3:32:06 GMT
Considering the woman who wrote Suvi wrote Leliana. I am not at all surprised she was a believer, and that it was handled well.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 21, 2017 3:32:20 GMT
*Sets up a chair*
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Post by Archangel on Apr 21, 2017 3:35:29 GMT
Heavy hand Social Justice? Didn't really see much of that. nope...not going to argue about it...
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 21, 2017 3:44:56 GMT
As much as I HATE Bioware clubbing me over the head with their heavy handed politics, *looks at Kotor. ....Umm...
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 21, 2017 3:46:02 GMT
*gets out the popcorn* Also *rolls eyes*
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Post by Archangel on Apr 21, 2017 3:48:39 GMT
ALSO....LOL at the drones who think Bioware games are packed with their SJW political nonsense.
It must take a lot of work to force yourself to be that oblivious.
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Post by kino on Apr 21, 2017 3:54:27 GMT
ALSO....LOL at the drones who think Bioware games are packed with their SJW political nonsense. It must take a lot of work to force yourself to be that oblivious. I think you meant "don't think", yeah? Cause otherwise I'd agree with your statement.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 21, 2017 3:55:13 GMT
Suvi Anwar is the norm for how bioware deals with such things.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 21, 2017 4:01:11 GMT
ALSO....LOL at the drones who think Bioware games are packed with their SJW political nonsense. It must take a lot of work to force yourself to be that oblivious. Wait... now the SJW nonsense isn't actually a thing? Most people who rant about SJWs don't make any sense, but at least there's a coherent point of view.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 21, 2017 4:03:46 GMT
The people I know who rant about SJW also rant about people not putting their hand over their heart or kneeling during an anthem. It's hilariously bad.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 21, 2017 4:08:07 GMT
I liked how they handled Suvi, Ashley, Leliana and Cassandra. This was good storytelling. I'm Catholic and appreciate it.
Also, I'm still confused about all the SJW stuff. Yeah, they deep-fisted Krem into the story line as well as the famous Flynn apology, but really... what else is there? Sam Maggs? Did she even write for Andromeda? So, yeah I'm still confused.
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Post by jf8350143 on Apr 21, 2017 4:13:28 GMT
Because some people believe including homo content and make your female character "ugly" is pandering to SJW.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 4:17:12 GMT
I liked how they handled Suvi, Ashley, Leliana and Cassandra. This was good storytelling. I'm Catholic and appreciate it. Also, I'm still confused about all the SJW stuff. Yeah, they deep-fisted Krem into the story line as well as the famous Flynn apology, but really... what else is there? Sam Maggs? Did she even write for Andromeda? So, yeah I'm still confused. Sam Maggs is working on the new IP. Curious to see what she contributes, it will either be suprisingly good, or hilariously bad.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 21, 2017 4:21:23 GMT
I liked how they handled Suvi, Ashley, Leliana and Cassandra. This was good storytelling. I'm Catholic and appreciate it. Also, I'm still confused about all the SJW stuff. Yeah, they deep-fisted Krem into the story line as well as the famous Flynn apology, but really... what else is there?. If I'm gonna take this seriously then this is pretty much me. Relgion is good for stories anyway, gives worlds a sense of something greater. Imagining half of the RPGs with gods handing down magic, seperating light from dark, or some meteor that splits in half and crashed to earth and has good vs evil spiritual implications. (Man I miss games like this.) Hell even Kane. They always work best when they are fused with science stuff or are slowly being surpassed by it. Or science is slowly progressing at its own pace in the background. Suvi reps this really well. Philosophy and science are seperate entities but Suvi is right, theres a beauty in combining the two thats hard to overlook in both philosophy and entertainment. Whether its all pure fantasy IRL is up to you. *Resumes watching*
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 21, 2017 4:21:50 GMT
I liked how they handled Suvi, Ashley, Leliana and Cassandra. This was good storytelling. I'm Catholic and appreciate it. Also, I'm still confused about all the SJW stuff. Yeah, they deep-fisted Krem into the story line as well as the famous Flynn apology, but really... what else is there? Sam Maggs? Did she even write for Andromeda? So, yeah I'm still confused. Sam Maggs is working on the new IP. Curious to see what she contributes, it will either be suprisingly good, or hilariously bad. I'm rooting for her. Yeah she got hired after that awful television interview, but you know what? She's a f***ing class act. All these YouTubers were waiting... just f***ing waiting to pounce all over Bioware... and Andromeduh's launch gave them all the fuel they needed to light it up. However, some of these guys took shots at Maggs and I have never heard her say anything in her defense. She's tough and I'm hoping she turns out some magic because anything less, she's doomed. I'm betting on her to win.
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Post by Sumerian Physics on Apr 21, 2017 4:22:49 GMT
If BioWare is what you'd call packed with social justice then you probably have zero fucking idea what social justice even means
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 21, 2017 4:29:45 GMT
Social Justice: Any kind of stance that I don't agree with. Amirite?
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 21, 2017 4:36:32 GMT
To be honest, I am mad at Bioware for allowing this type of criticism to occur and not defend her. They defended another employee (sort of employee, I don't know the whole story there) and yet let Maggs absorb all these hits. Maggs, if you're reading this, I'm on your side. It's just another reason why I don't understand this version of Bioware. The developers all gave a victory middle-finger to all the nay-sayers that the game was irrevocably broken. They fixed A LOT and then again it makes you wonder... why did it go out like this? What slowed up the process? Where did the production lines break and why wasn't there someone to say, "Hey, we're not making this deadline with all of this turnover and turmoil. (INSERT 14 NAMES) all left. We're going to embarrass and endanger our livelihoods because the fans are going to react horribly. This will not ever go away. We got a small taste of it with Inquisition..."
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 21, 2017 4:38:06 GMT
As a Suvi fan, I guess I approve this message, or part of it…I think. I'd make a drinking game out of how many times I read "SJW" on BSN, but survival instinct compels me not to. I mean, I'm no zipzap with his many livers.
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Post by sinophile on Apr 21, 2017 5:23:44 GMT
As much as I HATE Bioware clubbing me over the head with their heavy handed politics, *looks at Kotor. ....Umm... Aside from a couple trans and gay characters(E.G. Vega from ME3, Krem from DA:I), I hardly see any SJW in Bioware.
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Post by AGECCR on Apr 21, 2017 5:27:17 GMT
Suvi's beliefs were beautifully done and I enjoyed the conversations between her and Ryder discussing them. Same with Leliana. Ash was another story... but I will say that how Ash expressed her beliefs fit her character and that's what matters to me.
Have to add that I really enjoyed the religious convo's we had with Thane and the Angara (not just humans and God).
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Post by colfoley on Apr 21, 2017 5:31:38 GMT
*looks at Kotor. ....Umm... Aside from a couple trans and gay characters(E.G. Vega from ME3, Krem from DA:I), I hardly see any SJW in Bioware. vega was straight.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 21, 2017 5:34:09 GMT
*looks at Kotor. ....Umm... Aside from a couple trans and gay characters(E.G. Vega from ME3, Krem from DA:I), I hardly see any SJW in Bioware. Juhani A recruitable party member in Knights of the Old Republic (2003), Juhani is a female cat alien who will eventually profess her love to you if you are playing the game as a female character. “I care for you,” she admits. “I do not know why. I do not know if anything will be possible or if you even return what I feel, but I do know it is there. I am sorry if this upsets you. I am so sorry if I am wrong, but I cannot deny what it is that I feel.” You can also encounter a female Jedi named Belaya, who describes Juhani as “a dear companion to me for many years” and recounts how they “spent many nights together alone under the stars.” Should you elect to kill Juhani instead of recruit her, Belaya will turn to the dark side and join the Sith. She returns later to attack the player for placing “this black bitterness” in her heart. theunion4ever.com/nerd-bucket/star-wars-are-gay/
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