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Post by R'Shara on Apr 21, 2017 5:36:46 GMT
Okay, but what does that have to do with SJWs?
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Post by sinophile on Apr 21, 2017 5:37:01 GMT
Aside from a couple trans and gay characters(E.G. Vega from ME3, Krem from DA:I), I hardly see any SJW in Bioware. quoted from Mass Effect wiki: Shepard can invite Vega and Cortez for a night of drinks and watching biotiball featuring the Seattle Sorcerers taking on the Usaru Maestros, before or after the party. Cortez sends an e-mail asking for an invitation, if Shepard has helped him reach a sense of closure on his husband's death.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 21, 2017 5:39:13 GMT
Okay, but what does that have to do with SJWs? I just pointing out that everything anyone complains about bw somehow are pandering to sjw was always there.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 21, 2017 5:41:33 GMT
quoted from Mass Effect wiki: Shepard can invite Vega and Cortez for a night of drinks and watching biotiball featuring the Seattle Sorcerers taking on the Usaru Maestros, before or after the party. Cortez sends an e-mail asking for an invitation, if Shepard has helped him reach a sense of closure on his husband's death. cortez is the gay one...
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Post by Otter on Apr 21, 2017 5:44:08 GMT
Okay, but what does that have to do with SJWs? For what it's worth, whenever someone refers to social justice warriors without context or explanation, I assume they mean a literal warrior who is both social and wants justice. Specifically:
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Post by unwanted on Apr 21, 2017 5:55:02 GMT
Heavy hand Social Justice? Didn't really see much of that. Have you seen how the CC mangles up female features? If that's not the result of the meaty tattooed hand of the SJW, then I will eat next doors bunny rabbit.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 21, 2017 6:07:10 GMT
Heavy hand Social Justice? Didn't really see much of that. Have you seen how the CC mangles up female features? If that's not the result of the meaty tattooed hand of the SJW, then I will eat next doors bunny rabbit. So...when are you going to eat that rabbit?
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 21, 2017 6:11:33 GMT
Heavy hand Social Justice? Didn't really see much of that. Have you seen how the CC mangles up female features? If that's not the result of the meaty tattooed hand of the SJW, then I will eat next doors bunny rabbit. If you look at the way the CC mangles male features, you'd realize that it's got fuck all to do with SJW bullshit. They tried something new (face scans as presets) and it didn't work.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 21, 2017 6:25:46 GMT
quoted from Mass Effect wiki: Shepard can invite Vega and Cortez for a night of drinks and watching biotiball featuring the Seattle Sorcerers taking on the Usaru Maestros, before or after the party. Cortez sends an e-mail asking for an invitation, if Shepard has helped him reach a sense of closure on his husband's death. Man, guy can't be friends with a gay dude? You know, depending on the type of party you choose in the second half, Vega can hook up with Ashley (or FemShep if you're that kind of person).
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 21, 2017 6:33:55 GMT
One person's 'SJW' is another person's 'not being an ass to other people'...
MEA played out pretty well in my view.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Apr 21, 2017 6:35:47 GMT
I found Suvi's faith interesting and different. I'm an atheist, but I also found it relatable in the sense that when I was a child (and later, as well) I wondered if Earth, or the life on Earth, or the entire universe could have been "someone's science project", essentially. Which is the kind of creator Suvi envisions.
You can't prove or disprove such things, so if she wants to believe that's what happened, she can go ahead. It's more of an alternate interpretation of reality rather than religion - it's not a clash of ideologies, so it's a lot less messy to disagree about.
Also, yes, Suvi is awesome.
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Post by Gileadan on Apr 21, 2017 6:43:46 GMT
I agree with the OP. Suvi's faith was very well handled and made her a more interesting character, beating several squad/ship mates in the process.
However, I also feel that it was a huge missed opportunity. They could have written long, interesting conversations with her about the topic, but instead the actual conversations are very short, and then the codex tells me about that spirited debate we had.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 21, 2017 6:48:36 GMT
SJW? Bioware has always had liberal leanings while still catering to male players. ME2 was all about Miranda's ass. ME3 had Battletits. MEA has both Cora's ass AND Peepee's tits (which is great for you considering how many people complain that these characters' faces aren't pretty enough to look at).
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Post by zeypher on Apr 21, 2017 7:21:10 GMT
So no one realises that Suvi is a deist?
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Post by warrior on Apr 21, 2017 7:38:19 GMT
If BioWare is what you'd call packed with social justice then you probably have zero fucking idea what social justice even means YES
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Post by Light on Apr 21, 2017 7:50:44 GMT
So no one realises that Suvi is a deist? Of course. If you are going to believe in a higher power that is the most reasonable/scientific way to do it. Fits her character.
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Post by Fredward on Apr 21, 2017 7:55:55 GMT
The one instance of ham-fisted SJWism I can name off the top of my head is Hainly, that wasn't well handled.
For some people visible existence is unacceptable though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 8:01:46 GMT
The one instance of ham-fisted SJWism I can name off the top of my head is Hainly, that wasn't well handled. For some people visible existence is unacceptable though. Agreed on Hainly, but they redid the conversation and gave her a quest, so feels a bit more natural now.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 21, 2017 8:10:10 GMT
Are you kidding? Suvi is the posterchild for heavy-handed writing. She jumps straight into telling you how much she loves science but also loves Jesus and brings it up over and over again, she barely discusses anything else. There's no one on the ship that comes close to being as one note and boring as she is.
And don't get me started on that dialogue option with her if your Ryder isn't religious. "I feel the same way" or "There's no higher power" LOL
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 21, 2017 8:20:47 GMT
how many people complain that these characters' faces aren't pretty enough to look at). Peebee does look a bit like Wayne Rooney, it's true. And Cora looks like a spud. That's why I romanced the Velociraptor.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 21, 2017 8:25:13 GMT
Suvi is the annoying kind of Christian who randomly starts talking about God where it has no place whatsoever.
If I could, I'd have thrown her off the ship. Also, her religious beliefs are really weak. But of course, that's to be expected when taking an indefensible position.
Token Christian to appeal to the population of the soon to be theocracy the United States of America.
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Post by Archangel on Apr 21, 2017 8:41:54 GMT
One person's 'SJW' is another person's 'not being an ass to other people'... MEA played out pretty well in my view. lets see...off the top of my head...
Gil Gay Taurian pathfinders Several Gay relationship sets of datapad entries Hainly Asari (we aren't going to waste our time pretending they aren't a lesbian surrogate)
If you pay attention I'm pretty sure there are more gay romances mentioned in this game than straight ones. Of course I know you clowns will shove your fingers in your ears and scream homophobe at any one pointing it out.
etc etc
You guys can lie and claim they aren't pushing an agenda all you want, but it doesn't make you not full of shit.
It really is a shame you all infest every Bioware game related forum
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 21, 2017 8:46:07 GMT
theocracy the United States of America. Kinda want to see this happen now, please tell me it's Mormon led?
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Post by colfoley on Apr 21, 2017 8:47:45 GMT
One person's 'SJW' is another person's 'not being an ass to other people'... MEA played out pretty well in my view. lets see...off the top of my head...
Gil Gay Taurian pathfinders Several Gay relationship sets of datapad entries Hainly Asari (we aren't going to waste our time pretending they aren't a lesbian surrogate)
If you pay attention I'm pretty sure there are more gay romances mentioned in this game than straight ones. Of course I know you clowns will shove your fingers in your ears and scream homophobe at any one pointing it out.
etc etc
You guys can lie and claim they aren't pushing an agenda all you want, but it doesn't make you not full of shit.
It really is a shame you all infest every Bioware game related forum
Gill's gay? It was actually never specifically mentioned that Avitus was gay. Granted it is heavily implied but you could just as easily presume they were good friends, had a sibling relationship, or father son thing. For the record, at least for the moment, this is an example of 'gay writing' (for lack of a better term) being done well. Show them as normal people and fully realized characters without being gay for the sake of gay in the name of gay. Haven't read a single one, and with your confusion on the first two I am a bit on the dubious side. Finally we come to our first character who is actually.....well LGBT. Granted BioWare did do a pretty bad job writing this character, but then I am not sure there is a good way to write a transgender character all things considered. ...*sigh* I really do not think BioWare is pushing any sort of agenda. Again BioWare writes this issue with surprising delicacy and maturity for the most part. (Sans DA 2 and the aforementioned Hainsley.) For instance they rarely bring the word 'marriage' into it. These characters are characters, and not caricatures, etc.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 21, 2017 8:51:05 GMT
Isn't it funny how including people of different ethnicities, faiths and sexualities is always a "political" move, and excluding them never is?
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